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whenim64 Thu 03-May-12 08:21:36

How many of us Gransnetters have found the coroner's enquiry into Gareth Williams' death fascinating? The conspiracy theory that he may have been killed by MI6 colleagues because he knew too much seems to be gaining momentum.

His family are entitled to know what has happened to him, and their grief is palpable. They at least need an explanation from MI6 as to why he wasn't looked for when they lost contact with him.

Who thinks he has probably been bumped off by our own security services? I do!

GoldenGran Thu 03-May-12 08:44:13

I have been fascinated by it. I found it interesting that very rarely was it featured on the main pages, as though it was being hidden from sight.It was inconceivable that he could have done it on his own! I think there is a lot more to come.

Annobel Thu 03-May-12 08:50:43

Maybe, when, but I am always suspicious of conspiracy theories. There was some evidence that the victim had some 'kinky' tendencies which may, in the end, have been his undoing. I doubt if we shall ever know the truth.

Riverwalk Thu 03-May-12 09:01:29

I've been fascinated, not least by the fact that no-one thought to check on him for a week - his family must feel very aggrieved at that alone.

Was a reason given for this lapse?

I'm with Annobel on the conspiracy bit - it's likely that his private life led to his death.

whenim64 Thu 03-May-12 09:12:36

There's lots of muddying of waters and the coroner has discounted his sexual interests, saying that this line of enquiry was a red herring.

For those who love to ponder on what's been going on, here's an interesting link:

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Gareth_Williams

Riverwalk Thu 03-May-12 09:31:23

I like a good conspiracy as much as the next person but if this unfortunate young man was to be killed for political/spy/skullduggery reasons, surely they could have just run him over or killed him in a pretend burglary gone wrong.

Doesn't make sense for the security services to choose such a bizarre method that will ensure that it's discussed and investigated for years to come.

whenim64 Thu 03-May-12 09:44:59

I suppose it depends on the likelihood of the hit and run being successful, but a burglary gone wrong would have been more likely to work especially as they found that the door could be unlocked via the letterbox. Perhaps killing him inside his flat would be less likely to create a commotion and his neighbours would hear nothing.

GoldenGran Thu 03-May-12 10:24:55

Annobel ,yes he seems to have "kinky tendencies*, but somebody else must have been involved and yet nobody has been found, nor have they come forward.

Mishap Thu 03-May-12 10:31:00

I guess that if some desire for sexual pleasure were involved and it must have required a second person (because of the impossibility of locking the sports bag from inside) then that individual is very unlikely to come forward voluntarily.

If it were MI6, then they might have been trying to cover this up by setting a red herring (sexual) - but one hopes they would have made a better job of it rather than making the method impossible alone. Or have they just scattered chaos and confusion deliberately?

My guess is we will never know!

I was, however, intrigued that he might have £20k's worth of women's clothes in his flat to give as presents! - that is weird!

nanaej Thu 03-May-12 10:42:26

Poor family and friends..his apparent TV tendencies were not known to them so coping with an unexplained death and learning your family member /friend had another aspect to their life that you knew nothing about must be doubly difficult to deal with. Lots of men with 'normal' sex lives are also TV so not necessarily a major issue..except he seemed to keep it v private so exposing him to blackmail etc if a colleague /friend discovered his need and threatened to make it public.
I would not put anything past the SIS /MI agencies. They will have the answer I am sure of it.