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Katek Sun 26-Jun-16 16:07:11

......the referendum is not legally binding, only advisory. In theory DC could take this back to the House and ask MPs to vote on the question.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 16:08:11

......but he won't!

vampirequeen Sun 26-Jun-16 17:38:46

Would he dare even try it?

Katek Sun 26-Jun-16 17:41:46

Legally, it's within his rights. I can't imagine the response..,,or rather I can and don't want to!

Ginny42 Sun 26-Jun-16 18:14:11

I wish he would.

Bellanonna Sun 26-Jun-16 18:44:19

No balls

Katek Sun 26-Jun-16 19:12:21

Would the consequences of this course of action be any worse than current events? Civil unrest perhaps?

annodomini Sun 26-Jun-16 19:12:42

By taking the result of the referendum as a binding instruction, isn't he acting outside his authority?

M0nica Sun 26-Jun-16 20:08:28

Nichola Sturgeon is threatening to veto it.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 20:12:41

Bella this is not the Wimbledon thread.grin

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 20:14:08

Nicola Sturgeon threatens a lot of things.While being dressed as if she is attending a wedding.

Alea Sun 26-Jun-16 20:42:04

new balls please!!

GrandmaKT Sun 26-Jun-16 20:47:23

Someone has just posted this on one of my friends' Facebook page. Seemingly it's from the Guardian's comments section:

Very interesting....

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 20:52:14

Yes, an interesting viewpoint, but that's all it is, a journalistic excercise in ( slightly paranoid) musings.

mcem Sun 26-Jun-16 21:00:48

Today's outfit - basic black dress and tailored red jacket. Roses your totally irrelevant comment means???
So much for hoping that female politicians can be judged on what they say and not on what they wear.

annsixty Sun 26-Jun-16 21:01:28

I actually think that is the reality of the situation. Boris has never looked so shifty, his bluster has gone, he needs to put up or shut up.

rosesarered Sun 26-Jun-16 21:22:37

It was just my thought * mcem*..... She wears strange little tight outfits with puffed sleeves, that remind me of what some women wear to weddings.
Actually, male politicians get commented on ( what they wear) as well, so it's all equal.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 21:23:10

So: like those people who are shocked at the result but voted leave, is Boris thinking 'I know I campaigned to leave the EU but I never thought for a minute that we would win'.

Jalima Sun 26-Jun-16 21:24:07

At least we can't see her vest rosesarered
(ducks for cover)
moon

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 26-Jun-16 22:16:00

I think NS dresses very smartly and knows what suits her. There's many things people might dislike about her, but that's the first time I've heard of her wardrobe being mentioned. Personally I would say for a woman her age (55), her work wardrobe is a bit formal and business like for a wedding. Everyone sees things differently I suppose.

Ginny42 Sun 26-Jun-16 22:50:18

She is smart in her intellect and that's what matters most especially at this time of turmoil.

GrandmaKT thank you for posting that article, it's interesting to speculate that was possibly why Cameron changed his stance over the issuing of Article 50. I thought he was just thinking, let them get on with it now, I'm through.

His wife looked so gaunt and stressed I thought they had decided to just walk away and who could blame them?

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 26-Jun-16 23:20:54

"Ginny" I definitely think David Cameron made a strategic move in resigning and passing the Article 50 baton to his successor, but I do think there was an element of "Why should I do all the hard work?" and there's been reports of 'inside sources'hmm saying just that.

His resignation now gives the government months of breathing space for planning the next steps. Not just the government, but the other parties too.

Granny23 Sun 26-Jun-16 23:44:06

BTW Nicola Sturgeon is 45, 46 in July.

Jalima Mon 27-Jun-16 00:23:08

I was just wondering if she'd had a face lift if she's 55

WilmaKnickersfit Mon 27-Jun-16 00:26:32

Ooops! grin