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Seasonal Affective Disorder - has anyone used a light-box or similar?

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Clematisa Mon 03-Aug-15 15:27:41

I'm looking for information on light-box / lamp to help with winter as I want to come off ant-depressants but know that October to March can be very difficult for me - in summer I can wake and be up just after 6am but in winter it takes me all my time to wake before 11am even with the blinds open and several alarm set! The Dr. says it's worth finding out about as it apparently helps the serotonin levels. I wondered if any-one has used one and how you went about choosing the right one for you? Do you need to use it for an hour or more at a time or can you stagger it? How big is it? Any answers would be gratefully received thanks.

Galen Mon 03-Aug-15 15:38:10

Tried one! Waste of money

Mamie Mon 03-Aug-15 15:46:11

I use one and it works for me. I bought a basic model from Maplin's, which was about £45 at the time. I put it on from when we wake at 630 and leave it on for an hour or so while I read or use my ipad. I don't suffer from depression but definitely get a bit of winter blues and the light helps.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 15:53:02

I agree with Galen. Carry on taking the sunshine vitamin. Otherwise known as Prozac.

rosequartz Mon 03-Aug-15 15:58:40

Or Vitamin D
Get plenty of sunshine now, within reason of course - don't burn! - then go outside as much as you can on sunny winter days and take vitamin D tablets in the winter.

Anya Mon 03-Aug-15 16:43:25

I tried one and it worked in one way. It was the kind that gradually lights up on a timer switch and therefore you wake naturally as the light intensifies.

I found that when I had to get up for work on dark, cold and dreary winter mornings it helped to be woken, gradually and naturally, rather than by a shrill alarm.

I've started taking Vit D during the autumn and winter months and find this helps.

Luckygirl Mon 03-Aug-15 17:25:45

I am wondering if this is a bad time to consider going off an anti-depressant when the cold and dark will be upon us in a few months.

Clematisa Mon 03-Aug-15 18:04:52

I think the Dr may have wondered if it was a bad time too but she has agreed to try me on a lesser dosage of the mirtazapine (30mg v 45mg) on alternate days to see how it goes and so far all seems well... I already take AdcalD3 for osteopenia so VitD3 may already be a help and perhaps I can up my serotonin levels with other vitamins - don't take any at the moment as I eat a healthy balanced fresh fruit and veg diet, but maybe I should consider supplements now too?
Since I'm retired now I don't have to get up at 6.30am but it would really be nice to be able to get up if I felt like it and not feel like I've lost a day when I don't surface till after 11 when the light wakes me!
Thanks Mamie, I did wonder when was the best time to use it so thanks for that and good that you have found it useful too.
Thanks Galen - did you find something else that worked for you... ?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 18:06:10

I cannot believe any artificial light can help serotonin levels. Only real live natural sunshine can do that.

Keep taking the tablets. And I don't mean vit D which will do sweet fanny Adams for depression.

Nelliemoser Mon 03-Aug-15 18:15:37

It is not just any old artificial light in those SAD lamps it has to be a light at the correct frequency or wave lenghth or some such complicated physics thingummy.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 18:17:12

Still useless. IMO of course.

merlotgran Mon 03-Aug-15 18:21:42

You have to go outside. Summon up every bit of willpower even on the dreariest of days and just DO IT.

How did our grandparents manage to get through the winter without medication and light boxes?

Good job the army didn't need them in both World Wars hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 18:35:46

Easier said than done though merlot. Though, of course, you are right.

Nelliemoser Mon 03-Aug-15 18:36:47

Merlot The problem is though even if you go outside so many winter days are dark and depressingly gloomy. Bright shining snow works. Actually so many British days throughout the year are dark and gloomy! Not just winter.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 18:38:29

Some of them didn't. (Re previous post) Pity ssri's weren't invented decades ago. Best thing since sliced bread. Again IMO.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 18:41:41

There is something about outside light that seems to lighten your brain up. Even on the gloomiest of days.

Rosannie Mon 03-Aug-15 18:59:47

Yes a light box does work to help alleviate the symptoms of SAD which is not necessarily the same as Depression which may have more complicated origins.
Everyone's experiences and circumstances are different, fresh air, anti-depressants, vitamins - it's trial and error to find what works for you.
I have suffered with fatigue, low mood and lack of motivation and presumed this was SAD, now having put it together with other recent symptoms I have been diagnosed with Parkinson's.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 03-Aug-15 19:07:40

Rosannie sad

Rosannie Mon 03-Aug-15 19:34:08

Thanks Jing, that's just how I feel! sad

Luckygirl Mon 03-Aug-15 19:42:09

Sorry to hear that Rosannie - my OH has PD and was diagnosed about 8 years ago, but had already had symptoms for about 2 years before that.

The medications he takes are a bit of a nuisance - remembering what to take when is the main problem (as he also has drugs for his heart problem) - but they really do keep the disease at bay in a way that never happened in the past. He does of course have some problems - lack of stamina is top of the list. But he can still play the violin, even though he has a tremor on his left side, the hand he fingers the violin with.

No-one looking at him would have any idea that he has PD, as he does not shake badly.

There are of course all sorts of minor problems - the disease slows down his gut, so he is often blocked up, he has a bit of giddiness etc. There is a brilliant Parkinsons specialist nurse in this area and she is on the end of the phone for either of us anytime.

I am sure that the condition will be kept at bay for you in the way it is being for my OH, so please do not feel too daunted by the diagnosis.

Rosannie Mon 03-Aug-15 19:54:58

Thanks Luckygirl didn't want to hijack the discussion, I was just pointing out that some symptoms can turn out to be indicators of other things and can't be alleviated with a light box.
It's early days for me after diagnosis but I think my symptoms started 8 years ago, but none of them indicated PD as a cause. Your words are encouraging and I am hopeful for the future.

vampirequeen Mon 03-Aug-15 20:02:25

I've tried one. It didn't work for me but the person I passed it on to has found it helpful.

Nandalot Mon 03-Aug-15 20:08:43

Hi Clematisa,
I tried a light box and yes, I think it can help. However, I had to give mine away as I found that it started to trigger my migraines. ( I have suffered since my teens but recently bright lights , even the sun shining off a car can cause one) just thought I might mention this in case you are susceptible to migraines too.
I had to sit by mine for quite a long time. Perhaps the wake up light is more gentle. Can anyone comment on that?
I manage now by having a short break in late autumn and Feb. at my son's who lives in Spain. This top up helps. I know that's not possible for everyone. And as other have said, try to get out as much as you can when it is bright.
Best of luck to you.

Clematisa Tue 04-Aug-15 13:40:39

Best of luck with PD Rosannie - dad had that and at first it was thought to be depression but hopefully things are much better 20years on and at least you have the diagnosis now and can get all the required help.
I had a lovely break in Malta in May and if only we could have a bit of sunshine here that would be great! I love gardening so that gets me up and going out - though I must admit it's harder when it's raining and the winds are blowing a gale!
Thanks everyone for all your ideas - very much appreciated.

Rosannie Fri 07-Aug-15 02:08:26

Thank you Clematisa