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Regarding the result of the European referendum, I feel sorry for young people.

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Parliament100 Thu 14-Jul-16 14:03:14

From the outset, this recent and ultimately historic EU referendum vote was introduced by David Cameron in a bid to appease the Tory Euro sceptics in his party, this referendum was not announced for the benefit of the people of this country to have a vote on whether we come fully out, or go fully into the EU.. This is a myth which backfired on David Cameron....

Since this vote was held, the English largely, being the least politically interested, educated or motivated in the Western World, voted for “out”, and now close to 4 million people have signed an internet Petition to hold a second referendum, and a new Poll shows that more than a million of the leave voters now regret their choice, and tens of thousands of people marched in London on Saturday 2/7, to protest at the Brexit vote and placards waved in friendship to our European neighbours.

In the wake of this devastating referendum result, there are now over 17 million people who find themselves and their country on the verge of making a catastrophically ill advised leap into the dark.

17 million of the national electorate voted to leave the EU, yet here are over 65 million of us living here, of whom almost as many voted to stay. Our 16-17 year olds, unable to vote, have made it abundantly clear, that if they were afforded the rights of their brothers and sisters in Scotland, they would have overwhelmingly voted to remain a part of the EU.

Also according to polling Data from You-Gov, 75 per cent of 18 to 25 years olds voted to remain in the European Union, the UK vote to leave was 52% of the overall vote, I make the generalisation that it is the younger generations who voted to go fully into the EU, while their parents and grandparents voted out.

For decades Social Europe have had a Social Charter that has incorporated massive influence over UK Employment Laws and Rights at Work, but our Tory Government’s right wing ideological stance is against such rights, which is why way back in the 1980’s Margaret Thatcher wouldn’t take us into Europe due to its Social Charter, but Tony Blair did when New Labour was running the country, and he introduced some aspects of the Social Charter, but decades of Tory rule have chipped away at it, workers rights for instance.

To say I feel sorry for the younger generations of my country is an understatement, not only because many aren’t eligible to vote, but their parents and grandparents have had their day over 30 years on from Margaret Thatcher who began what’s been happening today under David Cameron and George Osborne, and the result, over a million people using Foodbanks....

In my view this in/out European referendum vote has divided our country just like the Thatcher era did, and we remain divided.

Before Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership race, he talked of Europe moving to the right and adopting the same free market deregulation that came with Margaret Thatcher’s era, but when he won leadership of the Labour party, and if he wins the next General election, Jeremy Corbyn has stated that he will take us fully into Europe and in talking with other European Socialist leaders, make the EU Social Charter work for Europe, and Britain.

rosesarered Thu 14-Jul-16 14:55:59

Glad you are taking such an upbeat and optimistic view of things.☀️☀️☀️
Doubt that Corbyn will be winning any future G E's.

Ana Thu 14-Jul-16 15:07:58

Ha, ha - Corbyn will 'take us fully into Europe' will he? Dream on...

Smileless2012 Thu 14-Jul-16 15:09:20

How's he going to do that when there's just been a vote to relinquish our EU membership?

Tegan Thu 14-Jul-16 15:10:08

I agree with everything you've said except for the last paragraph. I don't care what he 'says'; he didn't do enough [imo] to persuade more people to vote 'remain'. So I [as a lifelong Labour voter] don't believe him now sad.

Parliament100 Thu 14-Jul-16 15:15:33

Tegan, Jeremy Corbyn is far too much of a gentleman to have to explain. "One" assumes ( incorrectly ) that the English know what they are doing.....

Ana Thu 14-Jul-16 15:17:15

'The English'...?

Parliament100 Thu 14-Jul-16 16:36:01

Ana, yes the English!

obieone Thu 14-Jul-16 17:06:44

Tegan, Jeremy Corbyn is far too much of a gentleman to have to explain

grin

actually grin again!

actually it is sad what he has been up to. A gentle man. Yeah right sad

obieone Thu 14-Jul-16 17:07:37

You are actually quite young, aren't you?

nigglynellie Thu 14-Jul-16 17:14:23

What a pity that 63% of these young people didn't bother to vote! The result could have been so different. Leaving it to other people to get the right result because of apathy is naive and lazy in the extreme.

petra Thu 14-Jul-16 18:19:22

More sour grapes. I've never been one to crow over someone else's defeat. But it's getting a little bit annoying now. So try to understand: you lost, you didn't win, you failed, you came 2nd ( and that doesn't count) you failed to meet your objective. Is that clear enough.

varian Thu 14-Jul-16 18:36:03

Actually niggly it now appears that the turnout of young voters was much higher than first thought - over 60%

daphnedill Thu 14-Jul-16 18:44:03

Apparently a lot of younger voters were postal voters, because they were at uni, but registered at their parents' addresses. Obviously they weren't counted in the exit polls and it's quite difficult to know where their vote counted.

SueDonim Fri 15-Jul-16 03:44:45

Just a point of fact. 16 & 17year olds in Scotland did NOT have a vote in the EU referendum. They can only vote in purely Scottish ballots, not UK-wide ones.

hildajenniJ Fri 15-Jul-16 09:05:08

Almost all the 18-25 yr olds I have spoken to voted to leave the EU. As you may know, I work at Waitrose as an early morning cleaner. I was in the staff dining room when the result of the vote was announced by David Dimbleby. The young staff were jumping for joy. One young man also made the statement that at last Britain has made a sensible decision.

DaphneBroon Fri 15-Jul-16 09:06:21

Why am I suspicious of a post which reads like tedious political propaganda? Could it be not a million miles from the Labour leadership elections? The final sentence reads like pure fiction/wishful thinking, and no, I do not feel sorry "for the young people" but I do feel anxious about everybody's future. Only less so now rabid Brexiters are no longer in the running for PM. Yes, there are difficult times ahead, but the economic downturn of 2008. was similarly troubling and in our own case a financial disaster. The world is not all sweetness and light, so let's not cry crocodile tears but get on with the job.

Parliament100 Fri 15-Jul-16 13:32:14

It is clear when we eventually leave, that you are all prepared to pay the extra taxes needed to replace the rebate we wont be getting anymore because we wont be paying anymore money into EU coffers.!

Ana Fri 15-Jul-16 13:34:48

Run that by me again...grin

Parliament100 Fri 15-Jul-16 13:36:17

DaphneBroon, I dont feel sorry for "everybody". I feel sorry for "all" young people because their futures are on the line, because their parents and grandparents have managed to secure over 30 years of right wing free market rule.

We should have gone fully into the EU decades ago, but Margaret Thatcher wanted to take us all back to Victorian exploitation and there we have stayed....

Welshwife Fri 15-Jul-16 13:40:20

Hilda all the 18-25 year olds I know voted to remain and many did postal votes as they had tickets for Glastonbury - they are almost all University Graduates doing further qualifications. It maybe has something to do with the fact that Universities are very worried about EU funding stopping for many research projects that these young people are working on. These are all engineering/ medical types of research not anything airy fairy. They are fine to finish their research but the position of the next cohort is very much in doubt

DaphneBroon Fri 15-Jul-16 18:14:25

Parliament100 your logic, if such it is, leaves me shaking my head. You make assumptions which just do not stack up. Your comment about Thatcher makes no sense either. Your glib generalisations about parents and grandparents who have "had their day" simply ignore many of the serious economic issues of the last 25- 35 years of which I suspect your experience is limited.
This is not an argument I can be bothered to pursue so have your rant, hold your simplistic opinion and allow me to differ.

obieone Fri 15-Jul-16 19:10:07

Welshwife, I have said before that the UK I would have thought will make the funding of research, especailly the non airy fairy type as you put it, high up their spending list.

Welshwife Fri 15-Jul-16 19:52:47

Where will they get the money? They will not be able to fund all the money which will be lost. It may well be that in a few years they may be able to do something but these projects take four years or more and so will not be started unless funding is guaranteed for the whole period and I think it unlikely they can do that now.

Parliament100 Fri 15-Jul-16 21:09:03

Welshwife, roughly £150 million a day was our funding into the EU. We got roughly a third of that back for investment purposes. Now we are supposed to be coming away from the EU, where will that money come from. ?