Can a referendum be valid if won on lies?

To be fair it would have to look at the lies told by everybody or that wouldn't be fair!

Would that apply to things like General elections too I wonder?

If any election is based on lies then it must be illegitimate

Your hide option not working nana?

What's your source for this ww? I'd be really interested to look at it. And for a bit of humour, look at the old Yes Prime Minister clip about the European Union on YouTube (can't work out how to put it into this message)

I saw a tweet from Alaster Campbell. He said that Lawyers are looking into the legitimacy of the vote.

I think they may have a point if you look at the last lot of literature and their last debate.
Then look at what they are saying now

There isn't one apparently one Whitewave , so I shall have to skip past those that don't interest me.

I think most political elections seem to have an element of things that could be lies dependent on your how generous your interpretation is . So that's democracy bugger end then :-)

Buggered lol spellcheck damn you!

Well if Alistair Campbell said so - it must be true!

I didn't decide based on anything in the campaign so my vote would stand whether lies were told or not. How would anyone know "it was won on lies"? You'd have to prove the lies, if there were any, made a difference to what people would have voted anyway.

Politicians are often parsimonious with truth without actually telling lies, possibly because there are very few plain truths in politics. Most things are quite complex.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW6QHYmffEs

There is its!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

Or this one.

That was such a clever programme - they don't make 'em like that any more!

Politicians have to provide a manifesto which we can l pour over. All we had was listening to debates and leaflets. I am quite sure that those voting leave on the migrant issue voted in the expectation that it would cease. They've since be told no

Those voting leave on the NHS voted in the expectation that extra money would be found. They've since been told no

Thanks for the links, Luckygirl

They were brilliant programmes.

I doubt very much if a referendum could be run on legal grounds. Even the petition would require retrospective legislation, although even that hasn't been beyond the government .

However, the petition has just collected 2 million signatures. Is any government really going to be happy knowing that there are 2 million seriously pi$$ed off voters in the country? This referendum was held partly because UKIP polled over 4 million, so it's serious number of grumpy voters.

If I were Dave, I'd hold a new referendum. I'd introduce a form of list system for elections, which would inevitably mean some UKIP MPs, but that's fine. Then I'd hold a new election, which the Conservatives would probably win. I'd appoint Boris, IDS, Gove, etc as governors of some far-flung islands and get on with the job of listening to people and getting this country back on track.

Dave won't do anything he's washed his hands.

We are rudderless.

How do you know that ww? He said he would steer the country on to it's next course. He will keep to his word. (Of course you can't expect him to be starting on it today. Give the bloKe a break)

Frankly if I were him I'd say sod it!

"Those voting leave on the NHS voted in the expectation that extra money would be found. They've since been told no"

It's worse than that, there was a woman from Burnley on the TV last night who had voted leave because she thought that Remain were going to scrap the NHS.

Well if Alistair Campbell said so - it must be true!
sunseeker
(although Alistair Campbell and true should not be spoken in the same sentence)

just picked up this thread so may have missed this answer Thatbags said you would have to prove the lies Isnt a bloody big bus with 3.5 million for the NHS a starting point

jings I think he actually said that a new captain would steer the new course. Of course, originally he said that if if the vote were to leave, he would start the process the next day but he doesn't want the hassle and who can blame him?