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Live beauty webchat with Caroline Hirons Thursday 26 July 1-2pm

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JosieGransnet (GNHQ) Fri 13-Jul-12 11:28:17

Caroline Hirons will be joining us at GNHQ on Thursday 26 July 1-2pm. Caroline has been a beauty consultant for about 20 years and she's a 3rd generation career beauty expert. She has a much-read blog, Beauty Mouth where she talks about her desperate wish that "people would wash their faces properly", among other things. She is also the founder of Give and Make Up, a not-for-profit company which aims to get essentials to women suffering from domestic violence via Womens Aid.

She'll be answering your beauty, makeup and skincare questions - particularly any about changing routines as you get older, so ask away!

Anagram Sat 14-Jul-12 11:58:36

I never wash my face - at least not with soap and water!
Perhaps I'll give this one a miss.....wink

pammygran Sun 15-Jul-12 12:53:20

I only wash my face in the morning, never have taken make up off at night..lazy, mucky me! BUT, friends tell me I have great skin..I put this down to never having smoked, & good genes..

cheeseandonion Tue 17-Jul-12 11:47:34

Desperate question (in hope summer will actually turn up at some point this year)

Fake tan (mainly for the legs) - please tell me what I can use that won't streak horribly (despite promises from the manufacturers) and ideally something that smells vaguely ok too. Thanks

lilysgran Tue 17-Jul-12 11:59:30

I would love some advice about my decolletage - always something I have been happy to show off but lately noticing the odd wrinkly line. How can I firm it up?

marina Tue 17-Jul-12 12:02:28

My skin has always been ok - but as I get older I find that my t zone (if it is still called that these days) is increasingly dry and my usual moisturisers aren't making any difference. What can I put on the skin to get it back to normal? The worst bit is around the top of my nose

crimson Tue 17-Jul-12 12:17:44

I seem to get more and more white spots [which is what I think they're called; small white lumps under the skin]. Is there a way of removing them without bruising the skin?

flipflop Tue 17-Jul-12 15:58:51

I never really had spots as a teenage but I do get the odd one as an adult. Perhaps you can settle an argument I have with my son: squeeze or not? He says yes. I say it will heal quicker if you leave it. Who is right and do you have any other tips to get rid as quickly as possible?

chunky Tue 17-Jul-12 16:09:21

Actually seeing the question about spots reminded me... my lovely GD aged 14 is suffering terribly with spots. Can you suggest anything she might use to help? I can't bear to see how miserable they make her

jack Tue 17-Jul-12 16:26:14

I asked a beautician the other day if she could remove some tiny pin-head sized lumps (or spots) that have appeared on my face recently. She had a look and said I should ask the GP to remove them. I was astonished. I thought a good facial might do the trick.

Annobel Tue 17-Jul-12 16:50:29

Some discolouration in the area of my cheekbones which are almost certainly sun damage. Just light brownish and not skin cancer (have had myself checked). How can I hide them? My skin is fair and surprisingly un-wrinkled.
Secondly, I have never, in 50 years, and heeding all advice, been able to get lipstick to stay put - any suggestions? Is there a really good product that doesn't cost the earth?

Anagram Tue 17-Jul-12 20:30:00

What are those little red marks, like freckles, which have appeared in recent years on my hands and forearms? I'm sure they must have been caused by sun damage, but are they age spots, which I thought were brown?

crimson Tue 17-Jul-12 21:56:02

I've got one that's red and slightly raised; Dr says it's ok but to put sunblock on it. Still best to get anything like that checked out .As for the brown ones, I use a spot concealer on them. I have freckles as well but they seemed to be getting bigger and bigger.

Anagram Tue 17-Jul-12 22:22:55

Mine aren't raised at all, and if you press on them they disappear briefly. I think it really is sun damage - it's where the sun always catches my hands and lower arms.

Annobel Tue 17-Jul-12 22:57:22

I think so-called age spots are often caused by exposure to the sun.

Anagram Tue 17-Jul-12 23:06:48

Yes, but why are mine red, not brown?

praxis Thu 19-Jul-12 17:23:11

Is there a cream or anything which can protect the face from chlorine? I swim regularly, and don't want to keep my face out of the water because that's supposed to be bad for your neck and spine... But I hate the way chlorine makes my face go red. My skin is sensitive but I've heard the same complaint from other women.

Noni Thu 19-Jul-12 18:53:04

Regular monthly facials - yes or no? I have been told yes, but I often get spots erupting (small ones thank goodness) afterwards. When I don't continue with facials (only started fairly recently anyway) my skin seems to settle down and be smoother. Interesting to hear your thoughts Caroline.

jack Fri 20-Jul-12 19:56:36

Hello praxis. I swim regularly as well - sometimes doing the crawl, wearing all the sexy gear (goggles, ear plugs and skull cap), and sometimes I just bob along doing the breaststroke (which is, as you say, is not good for the spine, neck and, in my case, knees).

There has to be a certain amount of chlorine in the water, for obvious reasons, and therefore the face is exposed to chemicals. But I have found that an inexpensive moisturiser or barrier cream (applied before swimming) protects the skin pretty well and when you shower afterwards in fresh water you are left with a delightfully fresh complexion.

I hope this works for you. smile

kittyp Fri 20-Jul-12 20:12:24

I have pale skin and mid brown hair and always play it safe with beige or brown shades when it comes to eye makeup. But I'm bored. Any suggestions?

Sook Fri 20-Jul-12 23:34:47

My top eyelids have drooped quite considerably, the look is not helped by sparse over plucked eyebrows which are almost white. Advice please.

trishs Tue 24-Jul-12 01:18:06

How long should we keep and use products, especially sun creams and lipsticks?

And are there any tricks to achieving a smooth line with eyeliner on older skin with the inevitable wrinkles! Do any of the cosmetic firms make a 'filler' that could be applied first ?

wiggofan Tue 24-Jul-12 12:37:25

There was a lot of hullaballoo about a supermarket's baby bottom cream being the best thing to use on your face EVER. If this is the case why pay a fortune for really expensive moisturisers? Or do you really get what you pay for?

greengran Tue 24-Jul-12 12:40:49

Eyebrows...pluck, wax or thread? (Or go for the full Dennis Healey?)

ursulaminor Tue 24-Jul-12 12:43:03

My question follows on from Wiggofan's in a way. I'm looking for really good budget ranges for skincare - my days of affording Clarins etc are alas now over

JaneM Tue 24-Jul-12 13:23:43

Generally I have few problems with my skin but every now and then it flares - I always use the same products so not sure why this is happening

nanamary Tue 24-Jul-12 13:26:01

My teenage granddaughter suffers badly from acne and understandably wants to hide this when she can. But will cover up make-up (even worn for short periods) make her skin worse?

milliesmum Tue 24-Jul-12 13:30:15

Now it's finally sandal weather I realise how dry my heels and soles are. I've tried having pedicures which sorts them out for a few days but then they are as bad as ever. Someone recommended cocoa butter and socks overnight - I'd welcome any other suggestions that won't have my husband running for the hills

MrsMop Tue 24-Jul-12 13:41:14

I have always believed the edict that 2 litres of water a day is essential for clear skin but a) this has begun to play havoc with my bladder and b) I read something recently that says that this is all a myth in the first place. What is your opinion?

Cagsy Tue 24-Jul-12 14:08:47

Milliesmum I think Sanctuary's foot cream is amazing.
My question is how you work through all the hype and find the best moisturiser? I'm 60 now and have fairly sensitive skin, skin is in good condition, not many wrinkles yet (my 19 year old son confirms I'm not deluding myself). I'd like to keep it that way for a few more years if poss. I do wash every day, always moisturise and rarely wear make up.
Also I have little bags of fluid on the top of my cheek bones, been there for years now but I'd love to know how to get rid of them.
Thanks
Cagsy

Solitaire Tue 24-Jul-12 16:20:45

Hi PRAXIS, try Vaseline on your skin before swimming, it moisturises and easily rubs off ...or in...afterwards.

effblinder Tue 24-Jul-12 17:22:53

Fake tan - should I bother with any of those 'holiday skin' things where your tan builds up? I am seriously pale and have quite dry skin, so I just try to avoid getting my skin out at all normally, but if there's something I could easily use to make myself look a bit more healthy?

Grannyruth Tue 24-Jul-12 17:24:50

Any good tips about lippy? I'd love to wear a strong colour - like red - on my lips, but never seem to get the colour quite right, and it somehow ends up looking pinched rather than glamorous. Is it essential to use a lip pencil first? And vital to use a lip brush? That's such a palaver when you're in a hurry.

praxis Tue 24-Jul-12 17:33:49

Thank you so much Jack and Solitaire for tips about protecting skin from chlorine, I'll give them a whirl....

jack Tue 24-Jul-12 18:50:05

A pleasure, praxis. And if you get you hair wet (impossible not to, in my experience) the sooner you wash and condition it the better. Same applies to the face I suppose. Keep piling on the cream!

heatwave Wed 25-Jul-12 14:46:45

Further to Grannyruth's question I would like to ask how to avoid getting lipstick on your teeth. It's not there when I apply it btw

Also - are those make up remover wipe things any good?

grangy Wed 25-Jul-12 14:47:47

I wash my face with soap and water but confess I have no "beauty regime" other than that - is this a disaster?

rosiemus Wed 25-Jul-12 14:49:58

Sensitive skin and try to buy products that are 100% natural and ideally unperfumed. But I still react. Why?

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 26-Jul-12 13:00:04

We are delighted that Caroline is here and ready to go. We have already learned a lot since she arrived <looks slightly chastened and apologetic> and can't wait to see what other advice she has to help us look ten years younger. So...over to Caroline!

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:01:48

heatwave

Further to Grannyruth's question I would like to ask how to avoid getting lipstick on your teeth. It's not there when I apply it btw

Also - are those make up remover wipe things any good?

Hi grannyruth,

When you apply your lippy, stick your finger in your mouth, wrap your lips around it and pull it out. All excess lippy will be on your finger, not your teeth.

And makeup remover wipes are acceptable in hospital, on flights and for sticky children. That's about it!

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:03:30

lilysgran

I would love some advice about my decolletage - always something I have been happy to show off but lately noticing the odd wrinkly line. How can I firm it up?

The french believe that facial skincare ends at the bottom of the breast. If you incorporate your normal skincare routine, including your decollete and breasts, everything will firm up. Although you can buy specialised bust creams, for example by Clarins and Mama Mio for that area.

getmehrt Thu 26-Jul-12 13:03:45

I am very excited by this! Had a look at your blog and it's very funny and no nonsense. What is a good moisturiser for middle aged, normal to dry skin?

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:04:36

greengran

Eyebrows...pluck, wax or thread? (Or go for the full Dennis Healey?)

I'm not a fan of waxing, as it stretches the skin. I'm a threader with plucking as maintenance, but plucking is fine if you can't afford regular threading.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:06:53

greengran

Eyebrows...pluck, wax or thread? (Or go for the full Dennis Healey?)

I'm not a fan of waxing, as it stretches the skin. I'm a threader with plucking as maintenance, but plucking is fine if you can't afford regular threading.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:08:07

getmehrt

I am very excited by this! Had a look at your blog and it's very funny and no nonsense. What is a good moisturiser for middle aged, normal to dry skin?

Depending on your price bracket, you can usually get something that works and is affordable by brands like REN and Decleor. Go for labels such as nourishing and anti-ageing.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:09:30

cheeseandonion

Desperate question (in hope summer will actually turn up at some point this year)

Fake tan (mainly for the legs) - please tell me what I can use that won't streak horribly (despite promises from the manufacturers) and ideally something that smells vaguely ok too. Thanks

I prefer gradual tanners, as you can apply them daily until you can get the coverage you need. Also, they don't stink and they are less likely to streak. Lots of brands make them - my current cheapo version is Garnier Summerbody.

distaffgran Thu 26-Jul-12 13:09:46

In middle age I have developed spots on my back and chest. They aren't there all the time but when they are they're very itchy and if you scratch them they spread. The GP hasn't a clue. Tea tree concealer helps a bit. Have you got any ideas? Thanks

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:11:43

Anagram

What are those little red marks, like freckles, which have appeared in recent years on my hands and forearms? I'm sure they must have been caused by sun damage, but are they age spots, which I thought were brown?

Hi Anagram,

They are indeed signs of sun damage and pigmentation, but don't feel bad, everyone gets them, unless you've been covering yourself in SPF since you were born! There are newer formulations of hand creams available now that encompass SPF and vitamin A derivatives that both prevent and cure.

frangipane Thu 26-Jul-12 13:13:21

What is the best concealer in your opinion? I have been using Touche Eclat for years but whenever I go in Space NK they say there are better versions. I find they either go incredibly quickly or are too claggy. I definitely need some concealment!

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:14:38

jack

I asked a beautician the other day if she could remove some tiny pin-head sized lumps (or spots) that have appeared on my face recently. She had a look and said I should ask the GP to remove them. I was astonished. I thought a good facial might do the trick.

crimson

I seem to get more and more white spots [which is what I think they're called; small white lumps under the skin]. Is there a way of removing them without bruising the skin?

Hi jack and crimson,

It's hard to be specific without seeing your skin, but they sound like milia in both cases. They are almost impossible to remove yourself (I don't even take my own out and I'm qualified!), you need a specialised facialist or skin specialist to remove them using a needle to lance them and specialised equipment such as a mag lamp. If you go for a facial to get them removed, make sure you ask beforehand if your beauty therapist knows how to remove them and has experience, or you can be scarred.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:17:22

trishs

How long should we keep and use products, especially sun creams and lipsticks?

And are there any tricks to achieving a smooth line with eyeliner on older skin with the inevitable wrinkles! Do any of the cosmetic firms make a 'filler' that could be applied first ?

Sun cream should be changed every year, all leftovers should be binned especially when used on children! Lipsticks I would go by the smell - if they don't smell of the fragrance that came with them, they belong in the bin. Mascara as soon as it starts to dry out. Face creams in pots, again, go by the smell. The most long-lasting products are airtight products in pumps and tubes.

As for older skin and eyeliner and filler, brands such as Daniel Sandler make make up pens that temporarily smooth over the area and help make up to last longer.

skydiver Thu 26-Jul-12 13:17:34

What is the best oil-free way of removing makeup? I like having fake lashes but you're not really supposed to get oil on them.

When I don't have fake lashes, I love Shu Uemura cleanser.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:19:23

Noni

Regular monthly facials - yes or no? I have been told yes, but I often get spots erupting (small ones thank goodness) afterwards. When I don't continue with facials (only started fairly recently anyway) my skin seems to settle down and be smoother. Interesting to hear your thoughts Caroline.

No to monthly facials. It's nice if you can afford it to have a facial with the change of each season. If not, try twice a year and go to a named facialist rather than a brand, if possible. Ie, the Caroline Hirons clinic (there isn't one!) rather than a department store brand facial. Hope that makes sense.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:22:03

wiggofan

There was a lot of hullaballoo about a supermarket's baby bottom cream being the best thing to use on your face EVER. If this is the case why pay a fortune for really expensive moisturisers? Or do you really get what you pay for?

I'm aware of the cream in question. In theory, it would work for someone with incredibly dry skin, such as eczema or psoriasis as a protective barrier cream, but it is incredibly thick and would give any other skin the possibility of breakouts.

I'm not a fan of the £500 face cream, you should be able to get the best quality for between 30 and 75.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:28:09

distaffgran

In middle age I have developed spots on my back and chest. They aren't there all the time but when they are they're very itchy and if you scratch them they spread. The GP hasn't a clue. Tea tree concealer helps a bit. Have you got any ideas? Thanks

Itchy and spreading signifies infection. In all honesty, a lot of GPs are clueless when it comes to skin and don't take our concerns seriously. I would try to keep on hand something like HEAL gel available at Victoriahealth.com and Liberty, as it's soothing and may help. If you can, I would also get yourself tested for food intolerances, as that is a classic skin reaction.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:29:47

MrsMop

I have always believed the edict that 2 litres of water a day is essential for clear skin but a) this has begun to play havoc with my bladder and b) I read something recently that says that this is all a myth in the first place. What is your opinion?

I know where you're coming from with the bladder! BUT: hydration is essential for a healthy body, skin, sleep, everything. I probably drink more like 3 litres a day. I recently moved to sparkling water which makes it slightly less tedious and is infinitely more refreshing in this weather!

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:31:48

praxis

Is there a cream or anything which can protect the face from chlorine? I swim regularly, and don't want to keep my face out of the water because that's supposed to be bad for your neck and spine... But I hate the way chlorine makes my face go red. My skin is sensitive but I've heard the same complaint from other women.

There are balms that you can apply pre-swim that can definitely help protect from redness and irritation from chlorine. The aforementioned baby bottom butter being one! Neals Yard make a brilliant product called Wild Rose Beauty Balm, which is perfect for this situation. Just make sure you wash your face properly when you leave the pool to rinse chlorine residue away.

Solitaire Thu 26-Jul-12 13:32:29

I'm certainly not a sun worshipper but in the past have spent considerable time outdoors with children, horses and dogs. I'm getting an increasing number of brown blotches on my face despite using preventative cream.
Can anything remove them?

OTHill Thu 26-Jul-12 13:33:33

My 4yr old GD told me I have big holes on my face! Large pores I guess, have always had them, but after her comment I tried some really expensive products by Estée Lauder and Clinique, neither worked. When I check the Internet most large pore products are associated with oily skin. I do not have oily skin! Help. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. Thank you.

homestyle Thu 26-Jul-12 13:33:39

Someone has already asked a question a bit like this, but I like using eyeliner and have found that as my skin has aged, it's increasingly difficult to get it to stay in place. Have you any tips for products that go on easily but stay put through the day?

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:33:46

skydiver

What is the best oil-free way of removing makeup? I like having fake lashes but you're not really supposed to get oil on them.

When I don't have fake lashes, I love Shu Uemura cleanser.

If you have lash extensions, you can use micellar waters, by brands such as Avene, as they are oil-free and non-irritating.

Sidebar, the Shu Uemura cleanser is mineral oil based, and not the best thing for your skin, just an FYI.

AnnieGran Thu 26-Jul-12 13:35:37

Hi. Those little red spots are cherry angiomas or, the proper name, Campbel de Morgan spots, even sometimes called senile angiomas. Huh! They are harmless so the NHS won't remove them. If you can afford it you can get them lasered. They can get quite big but don't usually get to the face, staying on the trunk and sometimes legs and arms. My GP said I have more than he's ever seen on one person, so I perhaps I will be remembered for something!!!!

skydiver Thu 26-Jul-12 13:37:35

Thank you for your reply. What is wrong with mineral oil cleanser, though?

grannyJillyT Thu 26-Jul-12 13:38:33

Help, I have really bad Rosacea, how can I camouflage it without really heavy foundation. Nothing seems right! blush

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:38:38

frangipane

What is the best concealer in your opinion? I have been using Touche Eclat for years but whenever I go in Space NK they say there are better versions. I find they either go incredibly quickly or are too claggy. I definitely need some concealment!

Touche Eclat is a marketing phenomenon, as it was originally designed to be used as a highlighter! Space NK are correct in the way that if you actually need to conceal something, there are much better options available.

If it's for spots and blemishes and discolouration on the face in general, the best concealer in my opinion is Laura Mercier Secret Camouflage (you must buy a brush to apply).

For eye area, there are numerous options, but one of my favourites is Sue Devitt (available from Harvey Nichols) Microquatic Bioluminescence Concealer (I know, I know). Estee Lauder also make a nice highlighter/concealer for the eye area called Idealist Cooling Eye Illuminator, which is nice if your dark circles aren't too bad.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:40:29

nanamary

My teenage granddaughter suffers badly from acne and understandably wants to hide this when she can. But will cover up make-up (even worn for short periods) make her skin worse?

In short, no. And psychologically if it makes her more comfortable braving the world then it's a definite help.

If you'd like more help, please do contact me via the blog as I know how awful it makes teenagers feel and again, GPs are just prone to prescribe antibiotics and send them on their way.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:43:02

Solitaire

I'm certainly not a sun worshipper but in the past have spent considerable time outdoors with children, horses and dogs. I'm getting an increasing number of brown blotches on my face despite using preventative cream.
Can anything remove them?

Hi Solitaire,

It sounds like pigmentation from sun damage. Going forward I would use a high SPF to stop them getting worse.

There are lots of products on the market aimed at pigmentation, which is on the increase. Avene have just launched a line specifically for helping with pigmentation.

Look for ingredients such as vitamin A, niacinamide and arbutin.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:46:18

milliesmum

Now it's finally sandal weather I realise how dry my heels and soles are. I've tried having pedicures which sorts them out for a few days but then they are as bad as ever. Someone recommended cocoa butter and socks overnight - I'd welcome any other suggestions that won't have my husband running for the hills

Hi milliesmum,

Dry feet, or as I like to call them, trotters, happen to all of us, especially if you're a flip flop wearer.

I would recommend a foot file from someone like Diamancel, available at Bliss and House of Fraser. My feet were atrocious, so I bought the strongest one a few years ago for around £50 - BUT so worth it as a little file every evening before bed with cream if needed takes care of it. High outlay, but SO WORTH IT.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:47:52

skydiver

Thank you for your reply. What is wrong with mineral oil cleanser, though?

Mineral oil is used in skincare because it's cheap. It can block the pores and causes a barrier on the skin.

Natural oils found in cleansers such as Emma Hardie, REN, OSKIA etc are much more beneficial, while still giving a good cleanse.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:50:13

grannyJillyT

Help, I have really bad Rosacea, how can I camouflage it without really heavy foundation. Nothing seems right! blush

Hi grannyJillyT,

To cover, I would refer back to the Laura Mercier Secret Camouflage.

To help the rosacea itself, I would ask what your current routine is and recommend you stay away from alcohol, sugar and dairy to start (all the fun stuff, as Josie says). If you want more help, there is advice on the blog.

opendoor Thu 26-Jul-12 13:50:26

Have you any lipstick tips? I find I increasingly have to wear lighter colours as I age (red just shows the lines round my mouth and is too harsh) but I feel a bit silly in pink - which makes me feel like a girl. Mutton dressed as and all that.

I can't wear anything with a slightly orange tint as it makes me look like one of the baddies in Batman.

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:52:37

grangy

I wash my face with soap and water but confess I have no "beauty regime" other than that - is this a disaster?

Hi grangy,

It's a good job I'm sitting down smile

Depending on your age and your genes, you will either be at least dehydrated and therefore more wrinkled and at the worst, a handbag in the making smile

I would at least counteract the soap (dies) with a hydrating moisturiser to protect your skin.

goes for a lie down

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:54:35

rosiemus

Sensitive skin and try to buy products that are 100% natural and ideally unperfumed. But I still react. Why?

Natural products are no different from chemical products when it comes to skin reactions. A product only has to have the smallest amount of natural extracts to be labelled "natural". It can still have plenty of rubbish in it. Equally, they may use essential oils as fragrance which are also big irritants. I would ask you what you've used that works for you, look at the ingredients and try to stick to something similar.

timeout Thu 26-Jul-12 13:54:55

I read somewhere (I am sure reputable!!) that although moisturiser helps plump up skin in the short term it has absolutely no effect over the longer term. What is your view?

Do you think the proliferation of products - not just cleanser but toner, not just moisturiser but day cream and night cream and eye cream - is just about trying to sell us more? What in your opinion is the least we can get away with?

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 13:56:49

opendoor

Have you any lipstick tips? I find I increasingly have to wear lighter colours as I age (red just shows the lines round my mouth and is too harsh) but I feel a bit silly in pink - which makes me feel like a girl. Mutton dressed as and all that.

I can't wear anything with a slightly orange tint as it makes me look like one of the baddies in Batman.

Hi opendoor

I'm a fan of lipglosses and lipbalms, or lip stains. In an ideal world, you could use a lip stain around the centre of the lips and go over it with a coloured lipbalm or gloss.

Stay away from the edges, as the product will gravitate towards the area anyway. Batman is never a good look!

CarolineHirons Thu 26-Jul-12 14:01:26

timeout

I read somewhere (I am sure reputable!!) that although moisturiser helps plump up skin in the short term it has absolutely no effect over the longer term. What is your view?

Do you think the proliferation of products - not just cleanser but toner, not just moisturiser but day cream and night cream and eye cream - is just about trying to sell us more? What in your opinion is the least we can get away with?

There is definitely an element of the industry that will try to tell you that you need 15 products a day and preferably all from their brand. I would say the bare minimum, depending on your age is:

Cleanser (oil based, non mineral oil)
Exfoliating toner
Moisturiser with SPF for day
Appropriate product for night time, ie a facial oil, a treatment, or a serum etc.
I personally like separate eye cream, but if you have budget constraints you can just use your normal moisturiser.

It's more the serums and pre-moisturiser products that plump the skin these days. I would say a moisturiser is definitely essential as a protective barrier.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 26-Jul-12 14:01:38

A massive thank you to Caroline for all her advice. We have taken note and will be reformed characters in future. Honest grin

nansoval Thu 26-Jul-12 21:51:38

Don't you think most fake tans smell like a hamsters cage?

trishs Sat 28-Jul-12 12:35:27

Really appreciate the information about binning products that have been sitting around in cupboards, forgotten and unused, for too long. It seems very wasteful to throw stuff out but now I have permission smile I do think that products should carry a best before or use by date though.

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