Learning children to swim, a must I think!

Could I put a word in - I sent a gentle reminder to Maniac about forum etiquette and not correcting another member's spelling or grammar. She replied very courteously and now understands that rule. I think we should now let the matter rest.

As a regular pedant I agree that she is right but feel that in this context a comment like that is inappropriate. Many of us must have had the same thought but did not feel that is was necessary to point it out.

But she is right......

That's not pedantic Maniac. It's downright rude.

I`d love to be able to swim, but alas, at the age of nearly 69, it`s never happened, as I`ve always been too frightened to be able to relax and take my feet off the bottom. My grandchildren can all swim, thank goodness, except for the 3 year old, I hope his parents soon get around to teaching him, it`s such a vital skill to have.

On a lighter note I live next to a river and there is a public footpath running along one of the banks. There are many walkers and some bike riders. One cold November day there was a tremendous splash as a boy riding his bike hit a tree root and went flying over the handlebars and into the cold water. The lad was soaked through and we asked him where he lived -a good three miles away. I wrapped him in a large blanket and my DH drove him home. My DH helped the lad to the front door and rang the bell. His mother opened the door and before my DH could explain she said "That's the third change of clothes today, what have you done this time?"

About one hour later a clean lad and his dad arrived to collect his bike with thanks for his rescue.

Expatmaggie, I am puzzled by your comment that this tragedy must have been caused in part by a lack of respect for nature. I am sure the grandmother and the child were not deliberately swimming, but possibly feeding the ducks when one of them slipped in. I don't suppose we will ever know as there were no witnesses.

Maniac I thought the same but decided not to mention it as it is what they say in the black country and it made me smile

Hello, Tanith (I went to school with Tanith Diggle - I have never heard it since then).
I am usually alone, and I have swum in the Dordogne and Ardeche rivers, but I do make sure there are other swimmers around. My family in New Zealand swim in river pools as well as in the sea ,which is about 12 miles from Wakefield.
In summer, I will swim in either Lake Geneva or Lake Annecy - I am a bit too far from the Mediterranean, unless I decide to stay for a few days.

Isn't this phrase "wild swimming" odd? When I was a child and teenager, swimming in the river (in my case the Thames at Windsor), lakes (at the top of St Something's Pass in the Alps) or anywhere there was water that looked fun was just normal.

Learnt to swim in my 50s -and persisted until I could do front and back strokes and feel confident when out of my depth.
At the time I read a book 'Drownproofing' about a technique practised in American schools to concentrate on water confidence before teaching swimming.
So sad to hear of this week's tragedy.Could 'drownproofing'be given priority in schools?

Sorry to be pedantic but shouldn't the heading of this thread be 'Teaching children to swim' !!

So long as it was warm bliss!

Greatnan wild swimming is something I've long wanted to do.. not something thats advisable alone though and my OH hates the water.. I prefer to swim in the sea/lake than a pool, do you belong to a club or swim with friends..

There is a world of difference between swimming in a public pool and swimming in a river, lake or the sea.

Yes it is ideal that babies learn to swim and the baby classes are fully booked. But that is usually with the first baby, by the time the second child is born the mother can't get off to the pool wihout someone else with her etc.
I am sure that swimming has been cutback in schools, and many girls from other cultures would not be allowed to get undressed.

I learned in grammar school and even swam in races, but now I just don't like it anymore.

I was one of those awkward kids who have to learn everything on my own - riding a bike, skating and swimming. I had lessons in junior school but only learned to swim when my big sister started to take me to the baths on our own.
I don't enjoy swimming in cold water, although I have taken the plunge in Scotland, Wales and Cornwall. When I first got to swim in the Mediterranean, at the age of 39, a whole new world opened up. Then I learnt to snorkel in Malaysia when I was 58- if only I hadn't wasted all those years! Non swimmers can snorkel - it is almost impossible to sink if you are wearing a face mask and fins. In fact, you have to work quite hard to get underwater. Perhaps we should start children snorkeling first, to give them confidence! And there is so much to see, even without coral!

I am totally in agreement with Zephrine - I am a retired swimming teacher too and it is a survival skill that everyone should learn. I specialised with disabled children and those children and adults who were afraid of water.

Between us my daughters and I have taught all the grandchildren to swim, the youngest is just getting the hang of it now.. some are better than others but they all enjoy it.
I think its an essential skill for all children but the school swimming lessons are just too short/hurried and only last for one term of one year in our area which for some is just not long enough..

My gd was stated at few weeks old. I have a lovely picture of her underwater. She has her own wetsuit for when the hydrotherapy pool is not available.
My mother wouldn't let me go to the swimming baths as I couldn't swim and therefore might drown I learnt on my first attempt when I was at boarding school.

My GD has been having swimming lessons since she was 4 but I never ever take my eyes off her when she is near water. I think that being able to swim can be a double edged sword because they feel confident about water but can not factor in the chill and weeds etc.
Losing one member of a family is a tragedy but to lose two must be unbearable, my heart goes out to them.

One of the saddest things I've ever heard on the news, probably because it's a 'there but for the grace of..' situation. I do feel that, although I'm a lot younger than the grandmother in question, looking after a young boy on my own is very difficult [little boys being, imo much harder to look after than little girls and much more accident prone] because I can no longer run, something most necessary when looking after them. I can't bear to think of what must have happened or the pain that the family are going through. but, yes, young children should be taught to swim although it would probably have made no difference in this situation. I hope that schools still provide swimming lessons and that it hasn't been another 'cutback'. Heartbreaking.

It must have been the cold, and lack of respect for nature. We seem to have known the risks of rivers and streams and cliff edges. Now since everything is easy as seen in cheap films, the reality of nature and its dangers has been lost.
It is so important to be able to swim and in German schools at least where we live it is on the timetable. We have so many lakes and rivers and the summer weather to go with them - that swimming seems to be natural thing for most children here.
New to Germany in the 60s I was appalled at having to swim with reeds, fish, and mud underfoot as I learnt to swim in a cold open air swimming pool in Sheffield. DH had spent his youth in ponds and shallow rivers and had never been to a pool as child.

I was glad when both my daughters got their Swimming certificates from school and I needn't accompany them when swimming. They told me they could always find me because I was the whitest person there. The people here seem to tan well and can take any amount of sun and for me it was often too hot. For that reason I leave the swimming and going swimming with the GCs to their parents or the 'other' grandma.

No, they are the people who really need to learn to swim. They need the right teacher, a lot of patience and the right pool. A beach type pool is best. It may be that the first couple of visits to the pool they just put their feet in the water. But it can be done.

absentgranayes agree with yout totaly, the shock and the cold! I remember being pushed into a sort of lodge/pond whenI ws about 13/14 and I coud swim, (was with a bunch of friends and one of the boys thought it funny to push me in off the rock I was stood on hesitating!! I have never forgot the feel of the horrible weeds ect round my legs...I never swam anywhere other than the baths after that! my mum often recalls how all her brothers and sister used to go swimming in the canals as there were 9 of them and coudnt always aford the swimming baths...my mum becaom a swimmer for the school.and tot his day she swims twice a week and swims solid for an hour she has just turned 77,
But for some that are afraid of water full stop then I suppose learning to swim is out fi the question.

This is a very common rule and a not very helpful one. I taught swimming to babies from 12 weeks and at that age they have no fear of the water and can be taught to be splashed, go under water, turn around and grab hold of something so by the time they are toddling and likely to fall in something they are confident in the water and know to close their mouth when they go under, turn around and not splash away from the side and grab hold of the rail or bank. Many people who drown do so because not because they are in a situation they can't get out of but because they panic. As they go under they open their mouths to scream and take in vast amounts of water and they lift their arms up straight above their heads. If you do this you will sink. It is possible to teach small children not to do this and it works. Of course there are always situations where even strong swimmers drown but every child should be taught to respect the water, to swim and how to get themselves out of a difficult situation.