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Help to A & E..any ideas please!

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AlieOxon Fri 01-Jun-12 20:03:53

I've been trying to find out if I can get some help in getting my daughter to the JR A&E to be checked out for damage to her back...she is still in great pain and can only lie on her front and has great difficulty in moving at all....

She's only been seen very briefly by a doctor who did actually visit and gave her Tramadol injection and Tramadol tablets, which don't seem to be doing very much
Now she's told me she has a bad bruise on her back which wasn't seen by the doctor, probably not visible at the time...I haven't seen this...
I would take her in the car tomorrow, but I don't think she can get in!

I've rung available numbers and the best offer is a return call from NHS direct - in four hours time!

pompa Fri 01-Jun-12 20:09:59

Try your local St John Ambulance. When I was a member we helped with transport.

jeni Fri 01-Jun-12 20:10:44

Call gp. Insist on home visit. Tell them you can't get her to hospital ! INSIST DOCTOR OR AMBULANCE COME!

AlieOxon Fri 01-Jun-12 20:11:10

Will do - thanks.
Any other thoughts still welcome.......

AlieOxon Fri 01-Jun-12 20:25:13

Jeni, I don't think you realise how little pull us non-medical people have....

If no joy from email to the St Johns, I will try in the morning - no way do we want to be there on a holiday Friday night!

AlieOxon Fri 01-Jun-12 20:39:23

St Johns answered and said 'could be quite expensive' and to ring 999.

So, looks like I get to her place in the morning and then ring...

jeni Fri 01-Jun-12 20:49:29

Oh I do!im not counted as medical as I'm retired and away from my home ground!
999is the only way I'm afraid. They won't like it . But with the nhs as it is they have to expect these calls.
Has she any urgent symptoms?
Eg loss of bladder control or bowel
Numbness in the lower regions?
These definitely are an emergency!

AlieOxon Fri 01-Jun-12 20:56:54

No loss of b or b control.
Numb area on the front of her left thigh near the top, about hand size

Bruising between hip and spine left side of back - I haven't seen this and she's vague, can't see it properly herself she says.
(She apparently had a play fight on Tues in a play pool, I wasn't there, she doesn't know how it happened....)

jeni Fri 01-Jun-12 21:12:54

She may have bruised L1 nerve exit. I would recommend a nisaid cream and something like brufen overnight! If she has a bruise, I would think she probably has muscle spasm. But if you are worried or any bowel or bladder problems call 999 and don't take no for an answer!

AlieOxon Fri 01-Jun-12 21:22:53

Thanks Jeni.

pompa Fri 01-Jun-12 21:40:53

Call 999 and lie !!!. Add a few symptoms that they cannot ignore. I once badly injured a knee cartilage, My Doc phoned the hospital and told them it was probably broken !. When I asked why he had said that when he had just told me it was a torn cartilage, he said they have to see you immediately for a suspected break, a cartilage could take months and the worst they could do was to call him an idiot. ! So even Doctors exaggerate to get their patients seen.

jeni Fri 01-Jun-12 21:44:46

Quite! Bladder and bowel problems are "red flag" in neurological ocabularuy!
In other words URGENT!

glammanana Fri 01-Jun-12 23:00:19

AlieOxon agreeing with pompa on this one if it turns out to be less serious then all the better but she should be seen asap,how old is she ?

Bags Sat 02-Jun-12 07:17:07

i was once out of action for a few days because something 'went' in my back. My main worry was that I was in the loft and DD was downstairs on her own, aged four. I couldn't move much but managed to get onto my hands and knees and with forced calmness explain to her that I needed my phone which was in my handbag which was hanging up in the cupboard under the stairs and was out of her reach! She managed to get a chair to stand on but said she it wasn't there! I calmly through gritted teeth said try again.

Long silence

Next thing I knew she'd climbed up the loft ladder with it.

me having kittens while she went down the ladder again.

Called my neighbour, who was at home, thank goodness, and came over. She told me to call 999. They asked lots of questions, including about my breathing, then sent an ambulance. The paramedics got me down or rather, I got myself down with two large paramedics there to help me, and onto my bed. They checked there was nothing serious and left, as did neighbour with DD for the rest of the day, though she did call me intermittently.

After a while I was able to move about enough to make cups of tea, go to the loo etc. I had been digging the nursery school garden for a week. It was hard Oxfordshire clay. I expect my muscles had got over tired and I had strained something, plus there is always some inflammation in my lower spine from arthritis.

Afterwards I learned that neighbour's big, strong, cricket-playing husband had been at home all the time. He could have come and saved me a 999 call!

Except he couldn't, because of his religion, apparently, help an unrelated woman. That was the excuse his very embarassed wife gave anyhow confused.

Or maybe he'd just never been a boy scout.

Anyway, the person on the end of the 999 line was wonderful and so were the paramedics. There was no huffiness at all.

AlieOxon Sat 02-Jun-12 07:22:09

Well that's encouraging Bags
I'm up early of course and waiting a bit as my daughter hasn't slept much this week and I don't want to wake her if she is asleep - I will send a text soon and she'll ring me when she's ready.
We'll discuss symptoms.

Religions don't help women.

AlieOxon Sat 02-Jun-12 07:38:14

She's 42.

JessM Sat 02-Jun-12 07:46:25

It has been going on for about 3 days now hasn't it alie - is she getting up and going to the loo?
Difficult for you as you are presumably not up to popping over - is she given to "laying it on a bit thick" when talking to mum (she wouldn't be the first) - or is she usually a stoical type?
(I have one of each - one that did not tell me he had cancer and the other has a long track record of offloading all his anxieties etc as soon as he hears my voice. Growing out of it at last I think... )

AlieOxon Sat 02-Jun-12 08:03:15

Looks like I am popping today. I'm improving slowly - I was over on Wed and she insisted on carrying her shopping, bad move. Wants to be independant. That was the last straw! I keep telling her this back stuff is cumulative...this I know for myself!

She has a tendancy to not tell everything at first. So I get the story in bits, like the bruising. (Mind you she's very bleary with the Tramadol.
She doesn't tell me things if she thinks they will worry me. As I know this, I worry more!

I'm going because I want to check the situation. I was going to have Kamil (the 11 year old) this week but he is needed there if Joel, the star helper, is at work.
Only K and J live there now.
I can see me ringing 999, though.

JessM Sat 02-Jun-12 08:33:44

I guess. You will be able to find out what she is actually doing for herself or not. Back pain can be a big shock if you have never had it before.

Bags Sat 02-Jun-12 08:40:58

I was 48/9 when mine 'went' in the loft. It has happened again a couple of times. It does take more than three days, especially if you insist on carrying heavy shopping! Hope your daughter's problem is not a serious one, alie. It is a real nuisance and very painful to deal with even when not serious though. flowers

AlieOxon Sat 02-Jun-12 08:50:09

Thanks all for responses, it's helped a lot this morning and last night...signing off now as I have to get on....

glassortwo Sat 02-Jun-12 09:11:43

AliOxon you will be in a better position once you get over to DD, but I wouldnt hesitate to ring 999 and lay it on if you think it warrants it flowers

AlieOxon Sun 03-Jun-12 07:09:37

My daughter didn't think it warranted it. Also my next door neighbour pointed out that we wouldn't get one she managed to get in the car, lying on her front on the back seat.
Which was not a comfortable journey, but when we got there and I had to go in and ask for help and a trolley, it got us straight into Minor Injuries and speeded things up a lot!
Less than three hours overall. They gave her painkillers and relaxants right away.
Xray showed no bone injury, so they changed her drugs to diclofenac and diazepam (a few) and last I heard last night she was feeling rather better..just hoping it wouldn't get bad again suddenly.

I think I am still processing the whole day, I woke very early - it was complicated by K's father phoning several times wanting to pick him up as well, but Joel was coming after work again so I could go home. Phew!
Thanks again all.

whenim64 Sun 03-Jun-12 07:19:48

Glad to hear your daughter got there in the end and has some useful medication now. No wonder you were worrying if her back was spasming like that.

Greatnan Sun 03-Jun-12 07:31:00

I hope you have a relaxing Sunday - you certainly deserve it after such a hectic day.