Is a woman's place in the home?

A woman's place is - where ever she wants to be!

(Quote from the 70s!)

Two people from the General Synod were interviewed; one man, one woman. The woman was totally against the idea whereas the man was not. Her opinions were based on the religious doctrine and, IMO, a very narrow attitude and he based his on the great job the various women clergy were doing!

It also matters because there are over 20 seats in the house of lords reserved for a sub-set of C of E Bishops.

I agree with AlieOxon, although it is not as easy for women to achieve their dreams as it is for men. Personally I was always happy to be at home, although funnily enough I did work for 12 years as a school secretary, something I said I wanted to do when I was about 14 years old, so though not a mind-boggling goal, I really managed to do what I wanted. Surely that is important, being where you want to be, and comfortable with it. At least we have the right to say if we think something is wrong - although perhaps the thread has wandered a little.

What! Positions of responsibility OR being in the home - what greater responsibility can there be than guiding, educating, being with the next generation. Perhaps that's the problem - being in the home isn't recognised for the major role it plays and the huge responsibility of mothers [mostly] who stay home.

Nanban - I am sure you didn't mean to imply that those of us who went out to work did not raise our children responsibly! It is possible to do both.

I agree with you Nanban and I did go out to work as well - for my own sanity and to have my own money. I worked part time but occasionally had to forego some of the events in which my children were involved. If I'd been at home full time I could have done it all. Have they suffered? They may have. Have I suffered? Yes, I do feel a twinge of guilt from time to time.
More importantly I don't think it is going out to work that is the problem but the type of childcare provided if one does have a job away from the home. These days childcare is very expensive and one has to take the child there and collect adding to the daily pressures. Perhaps it's better to stay at home for as long as possible if one is financially able to do so - and be proud of being at home.

I think when one is younger is it great to strive for femininism , however as one gets older one realises that maybe it is not not possible , so content oneself [ big time , nothing wrong with that ] with taking care care of your man , lets face it without them nobody is going to come rushing for us , I think it nice to to have a friend by your side [happy]

Nonu - can you explain what you mean by 'nobody is going to come rushing'.
I don't have (or want) a man to care for, but I care very much about the oppression of women throughout the world. Don't you?

Same here, Greatnan

Nonu, are you by any chance a bloke?

I'm a widow. Very happy on my own now I've got used to it.
I wouldn't want a man telling me what to do!
I think women are still oppressed and second class citizens!
I have fought against this all my life and will continue to do so!

We seem to have had a conversation similar to this before with Nonu.
Nonu, wasn't it you who insisted that men were a superior race?

In that case, not worth the trouble of a debate!

Anyone who thinks men are the superior race has got to be a bloke!

Or certifiable!

Nonu Men and women can do all sorts of things well and should not be limited by gender stereotypes. I am a feminist but that does not prevent me being happily together, for 41 years, with my DH! I have cared for my children, held down a ft responsible job etc and so has he!

As somebody said not really worth the trouble of of a debate we all have our opinions , they may differ , but we are entitled to them You may have a different different idea

No, not worth debating when you are just being provocative, Nonu

How do you feel that we as a friend suggested to me the other day we should step out of our comfort zone , or am I being "provocative" hum !!!

I have just been listening to 'Sunday' on Radio 4, which was mainly about the synod's vote on whether to adjourn the debate about women bishops. One woman asked a very pertinent question: Has the Church of England actually asked its ordinary members if they care about the gender of their bishops? Or does most of the opposition come from men who can't take the competition for the top jobs?

Of course, for Christians, the first manifestation of the "the Word made Flesh" was through the medium of a woman. I should have thought this should give women first dibs at a bishopness/bishopicity/bishoptude.

On another point, although it may sometimes seem that men and women are different races, they do both belong to the same species.

Some time ago I was surprised to find a letter written by me when I was in my early twenties saying I believed men were superior to women. I've no idea why I thought it but it may have been because they seemed to occupy all the powerful positions in society and had a sort of gravitas and certainty about themselves that women in those days did not have. I think I expected that any future partner would be stronger than I was and take the lead and be wise and look after me.

I have been horribly disappointed throughout my life on this score.

Incidentally, I became a radical feminist in my thirties/forties.

I'd be interested to know why Nonu thinks men are superior. I like to think I'm open to different points of view but I would like some back up in terms of evidence so over to you Nonu

Good luck with that, petallus!

Don't hold your breath!