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National team? Then sing the National Anthem!

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nannym Sat 28-Jul-12 11:06:06

DS has just pointed out to me that two Scottish members of the GB Ladies football team and two Welsh members of the men's football team did not sing the National anthem at the start of their games. Kim Little, one of the ladies involved has said she was demonstrating her personal choice. I can't help feeling that if they have such a problem about being part of a unified Britain then they should have turned down the opportunity to take part and allowed someone more deserving of the honour to take their place.

jeni Fri 03-Aug-12 10:12:31

I know, but tradition says they were in charge of the olympic flame and watched the games. The games became very romanised. Didn't Nero compete?

absentgrana Fri 03-Aug-12 09:11:04

jeni Vestal virgins were Roman, not Greek.

jeni Thu 02-Aug-12 20:53:23

Especially their politics!

gracesmum Thu 02-Aug-12 20:41:02

I'm all for confounding knavish tricks and frustrating their politics!

jeni Thu 02-Aug-12 20:40:03

ellenaitch can we have them male only, and in the nude?grin
But only the vestal virgins were allowed to watch.sad
Don't know about you, but I'm no vestal virgin?

Stansgran Thu 02-Aug-12 20:35:06

I rather like the idea of our enemies' knavish tricks being confounded-it sounds so positive and dynamic instead of appeals to the European court

jeni Thu 02-Aug-12 20:03:04

Junior was mouthing, senior was too overcome with emotion!

whitewave Thu 02-Aug-12 19:54:25

Forget the singing - just listen to their remarks and then say that they are not patriotic - wonderful wonderful people

ellenaitch Thu 02-Aug-12 19:50:40

I had just commented at home on the British male cyclists failure to sing the National Anthem when I saw the comments on here. I understand the Republicanism feelings, though do not agree with them, but .... I still believe you shouldn't compete on behalf of your country and its leader if you feel no allegiance to them.

However, my OH has just said he thinks the Olympics should go back to its roots and have no team games at all. Every country should send their best solo competitors who compete for themselves alone. He also believes in having only sports that have absolute results that can be measured - not subjective things like diving, which is judged on style.

Worth thinking about perhaps.

Anagram Thu 02-Aug-12 10:20:17

Although you'd think someone would have given the teams a refresher course when they knew they were going to compete in the Olympics! And possibly a pep-talk on the importance of at least appearing to be patriotic...

Annobel Thu 02-Aug-12 10:05:19

We learnt it at school - or perhaps we just absorbed it. We also had to learn it - and sing it - to get some badge or other at Brownies. It was just a part of life back then. But now I am sure they don't learn the anthem anywhere and look a bit bamboozled when they hear it - well, my GC haven't a clue about it and I assume they are typical.

Lilygran Thu 02-Aug-12 09:01:49

Thought that floated through my mind - do they know the words? When I was a child, you couldn't avoid learning the first verse because we sang it at every event, public or private. How often do people hear it nowadays? This doesn't apply to the athletes who let it be known that they weren't singing as a deliberate statement.

eGJ Thu 02-Aug-12 07:26:52

When the National Anthem is played watch out for a very loud clash of symbols on the penultimate chord. I heard an interview with the man who orchestrated all 205 anthems with I think the London Philharmonic. He recorded them at Abbey Road Studios and after standing on the podium conducting for 55 hours got Jonathan Edwards who had really been on the gold podium to clash the cymbals ...........he did it overenthusiastically and you can hear it in the result grin

nannym Thu 02-Aug-12 06:47:24

merlot Spot on!

johanna Wed 01-Aug-12 21:50:56

Agreed merlot.
There is a huge difference between e.g. a team not singing the National Anthem before a match and for a winner to stand on a podium.

If that was me on that podium I would be so proud and may be feel that the Anthem was played in honor of my achievement.

And be totally overcome with emotion.

Annobel Wed 01-Aug-12 21:43:45

Yes. POGS. You've got my drift!

Agreed, merlot.

merlotgran Wed 01-Aug-12 21:37:40

I think there's a big difference between lining up with a team in a stadium full (or not) of people singing their heads off and not wanting to sing as a solitary soul on the podium, choked with emotion with a camera up your nose.

POGS Wed 01-Aug-12 20:47:46

ANNOBEL.

O.K. I understand I read your comment in the wrong way. Thanks. I agree should be Team U.K. Have I got that right?.

Annobel Wed 01-Aug-12 20:28:09

Northern Ireland competitors are in Team GB, but the name of the nation is the UK of GB and NI. Really should be Team UK.

Gold medal winners - including Bradley Wiggins - are often too emotionally choked up to sing the anthem. In the interview after his win, he didn't seem to know where he was, referring to Hampton Court Palace as 'a castle'. After the last few weeks, that's perhaps not surprising.

POGS Wed 01-Aug-12 19:54:02

Annobel

Forgetting who may or may not agree with me, I have to say I have learnt something.

I was totally oblivious to the fact Northern Ireland was not included in Team G.B. I am astonished to know that, thanks. I genuinely thought they were.

Do you know why?

whenim64 Wed 01-Aug-12 16:33:16

Can I have a quiet chuckle, without causing any offence, please?

.......the amazing Bradley Wiggins didn't join in with the national anthem when others were singing as he was presented his gold medal. tee hee grin

ginny Mon 30-Jul-12 14:04:22

I don't think you have to sing the National athem just because you are in the team. The atheletes are playing for the nation and may not be particularly monarchist. as long as they respect others by standing quietly, there is no problem. It is the same as going to a church wedding or meeting where there may be prayers.. You may not be a beliver so you just sit and wait.

Annobel Mon 30-Jul-12 11:31:03

absent, I have often thought that the title 'Team GB' was unfair to Northern Ireland. The country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Team GB ignores the existence of our NI citizens.

Anagram Mon 30-Jul-12 10:55:38

I just looked for this thread and it wasn't there (again!)
The BBC Olympic coverage is/was alsy missing.
No change on the Disappearing Threads front, then! angry

absentgrana Mon 30-Jul-12 10:41:45

POGS Just for the record and in spite of media misuse, Great Britain and the United Kingdom are not interchangeable terms.