So called left wingers who pay school fees

Mishap - When sacrificing your children to your principles is mentioned, what exactly do they mean? Putting their own children through a process which the vast majority of children in this country go through? Some sacrifice!

baNANA says: " shouldn't they be trying to change that from within?" - and my answer would be "No, not if it is at the expense of their child's well-being." You are then using your child as a political tool. Your child needs your protection and 100% support, not being made to suffer for some high-flown principle that they do not understand.

"German state schools offer an excellent education for all." - that is what we need, but do not have.

I too deplore the need for private schools, but until government gets its act together and creates an excellent state system, then they will be there.

I too am sad that many children get a bad education in a sink school with no money to bail them out of it, but as a society we need well-educated young people and if the state sector is not providing what is necessary, then people will move heaven and earth to do the best for their own children.

Do not forget that at the same time as paying school fees, they are also paying taxes to support state schools - I believe that they should also be lobbying for better state education - they are often intelligent well-educated parents and in a good position to do that.

Blair's education mantra gained us nothing.

If I saw my child suffering in a school I would not sacrifice their well-being for my political principles, much though I might regret the need to seek private education. What is gained by one more miserable ill-educated child? - does it help the other children one whit? - I don't think so.

The argument about creaming off the brightest (which makes logical sense) doesn't cut any ice when you have a weepy child on your hands and the whole family is miserable - been there, done that!

Lilygran - Exactly!

Many of these champagne socialists have no personal experience of state schools and no background which would allow them to make sensible judgments about them. If they were really committed to the improvement of state education, They would send their children to a local school and become involved in the PTA or as governors or just as supportive parents. With the kind of influence they can bring to bear, they could do a lot more than they do by pontificating in the media.

Whenim64, do agree with you, but should point out that the Blair and Harman offspring weren't at private schools, they are state schools, nevertheless very good ones. My husband's grandchildren from his lst marriage are at a couple of them, they are very strict but I understand that one of these schools in particular takes 25% of its intake from poorer backgrounds they are nevertheless very over subscribed and you do have to prove chapter and verse that you are a practising Catholic. In the case of St Olave's where I believe one of the Harman children went it's a selective grammar, which I also thought they didn't approve of.

Mishap "excellent state education for all", but just not for them. We had 13 years of Labour remember the Blair mantra "education, education, education" under their watch standards have fallen we have slipped down the world league tables for literacy, maths and science. Meanwhile private schools continue to dominate the intakes for the elite universities. Medicine, law, journalism, top civil servants etc. all have high percentages of the privately educated amongst their masses. Given that the private sector is supposed to account for about 7% of schools I'd say that they are massively over represented in the higher echelons of our society, how can we expect to change anything when so called socialists subscribe to maintaining this status quo. Yeah there are loads of rubbish state schools shouldn't they be trying to change that from within. When I'm 64, totally agree with you about Diane Abbot who used the race card to justify her decision when in fact her son, having a mother as an MP and Cambridge graduate and I believe an architect for a father would I'm sure have ended up at university, perhaps not Oxford where I believe he is at the moment. Class is a greater divider than race in our country and there will always be those who are disenfranchised by their unfortunate family circumstances and who don't have a mother like Diane Abbot to fight their corner. This is further compounded by being sent to a sink school, how can we expect to improve the lot for kids from disadvantaged backgrounds when we operate like this. When my children were young I was friendly with a young German mother she often used to say that she felt that many of the mothers we were mixing with were obsessed with private education and talked about schools endlessly compared to Germany where they don't seem to suffer from the private versus state dilemma as I understand that German state schools offer an excellent education for all.

I am of the Left, but sent my lads to a local catholic school and then high school. Mind you, these schools are hardly elitist, with low fees or no fees if you can't afford. The local state school was appalling and the state premier was imposing his own ideals on the state education system and these were fundamentalist 'christian' ideals. For instance, they were talking about teaching creationism (it got blocked I'm glad to say), and they were refusing to consider sex education.

The catholic schools taught hard science and age appropriate sex education.

I would never have sent them to a snob school, but I plead guilty to giving then the best education I could - at schools that did not go against my principles..

I agree with you baNANA. The money that goes into private education creams off the best of education for a fortunate few instead of the many who need it. My grandson went to prep school, and that sat uncomfortably for me, as he was in a class of 6, whereas other children are in classes of 30 and more. Prep school didn't prepare him for grammar school where he has to compete to be heard, and struggled before he learned that he has to take some responsibility for ensuring he knows what his homework is, and that no-one will chase after him if he forgets anything.

I get fed up with the champagne socialists who don't practise what they preach. Diane Abbot really blew it for me when she proclaimed that white people divide and rule by privilege, criticised Blair and Harman for sending their children to private schools, and then did the very same thing.

I don't have a problem with them doing this - we all have to do the best we can for our own children. If you are faced with a rubbish local state school or a child with particular needs that cannot be met elsewhere, then you do what is right for your child.

These left-wing intelligentsia can still fight for better state education, and they often do, as clearly this is what is needed - excellent state schools so the issue simply does not arise. They still hold to the principles of excellent state education for all - the fact that it does not exist is necessarily their fault (unless they happen to be the sec of state for education).