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Neighbour's son asking to use our wifi

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nevesnan Sun 16-Jun-19 15:22:55

Hi everyone, I don't know if I am being unreasonable over this but the adult son of our neighbour (who we don't really get on with. long history) knocked at our door to ask to use our wifi.

I told him we didn't have wifi (we do) and he left. Is is a normal thing to use your neighbours wifi. He doesn't live there by the way he was visiting.

Wheniwasyourage Sun 16-Jun-19 15:32:20

Seems a bit odd. Don't your neighbours have it? YANBU, it seems to me.

M0nica Sun 16-Jun-19 15:36:34

The answer is 'no'. He can use his mobile phone, pay for his parents to have it or go elsewhere. I would never give anyone access to my wifi unless it was friends and family staying with me.

NanaMacGeek Sun 16-Jun-19 15:40:17

nevesnan, that sounds like a blooming cheek to me! He could carry out illegal actions on the internet and it could get traced back to you. Why should you pay for his internet access?

Definitely, You Are Not Being Unreasonable.

SpringyChicken Sun 16-Jun-19 15:41:37

I have allowed next door’s adult granddaughter use ours when she was staying with her grandparents. They didn’t have Broadband. She promised she wasn’t going to use it a lot and nothing that would affect our speed when we were online and we have unlimited usage anyway. It was fine.
Maybe it would have thawed relations with next door if you’d let him. He probably wouldn’t have asked unless there was a special reason.

nevesnan Sun 16-Jun-19 15:48:37

She has had every type of wifi but wont pay the bills so they cut her off. I was just a bit worried if he did anything illegal it would come back on us. @ SpringyChicken don't really want to thaw relations they are the constant borrowing cheeky type. We have had a lot of problems with their antisocial behaviour, which makes him asking for our wifi password a bit suspect.

thanks everyone for your advice

sodapop Sun 16-Jun-19 18:23:24

No you are not being unreasonable nevesnan If you are not on friendly terms with your neighbours it seems a bit rude of the son to even ask.. There are public places where you can access the internet, cafes, libraries etc.

FarNorth Sun 16-Jun-19 18:27:38

You are not unreasonable & could have put yourself at risk if you'd allowed that.

annep1 Sun 16-Jun-19 19:57:39

Sounds very unusual. I think I would have asked was it an emergency. If not then no.

looby Sun 16-Jun-19 19:58:56

You were definitely right to say no, like you say if they are the constant borrowing cheeky type you are better off without that in your life. I used to have neighbours like that many years ago, they borrowed our lawnmower once for their postage stamp front lawn and instead of cleaning it off and bringing it back after use, they hung it in their shed. Three weeks later I had to go and ask them for it and there was no thanks or apology or anything, that was the last straw from a long line of annoyance. I told him there and then not to ask for anything else ever again.

notanan2 Sun 16-Jun-19 20:02:43

My neighbour uses my wifi but we get along.

My wifi doesnt reach parts of my house that their wifi reaches and vica versa.

nevesnan Sun 16-Jun-19 20:05:59

Thank you all for your replies. If they ask again I will just tell them again that we have no wifi. They have only lived there for 5 years but have been a bit of a pain since moving in. I didn't know people borrowed other peoples wifi confused. You learn something new every day I suppose.

notanan2 Sun 16-Jun-19 20:06:07

I dont know why but I cant get my own wifi to work all over my upstairs but theirs reaches all of my upstairs room. And next doors wifi is patchy in their own house but mine covers their house

I trust them to mind my kids so wifi is no big deal. If we werent friendly: no way!

notanan2 Sun 16-Jun-19 20:07:48

We have always let babysitters have our wifi password

nevesnan Sun 16-Jun-19 20:10:01

@looby, that's exactly it, borrowing lots of items but you have to ask for them back and often they cant find it, so you never get it back. Also loud music all hours of the night.

We tend to say we don't have any of whatever they want to borrow, but they still try.

vickymeldrew Sun 16-Jun-19 20:34:40

I’m happy to allow any friends and family access to my wifi when they are in my house. However, you have to bear in mind that cookies pick up what is being viewed, and you may be bombarded with adverts for things you aren’t interested in. When a friend was staying with me for a few days, I kept getting pop up adverts for Marks & Spencer celebration cakes. Sure enough, on my birthday I received an M&S cake so it wasn’t a surprise !

mosaicwarts Sun 16-Jun-19 23:20:28

Nevesnan he can see your WiFi when he tries to connect, all WiFi locations available in the area come up. I wouldn't have let him use it either, I think he had a nerve asking.

stella1949 Mon 17-Jun-19 00:54:27

I'd tell him to go to the local library if he wants to use the Internet. What a nerve to ask for yours !

annep1 Mon 17-Jun-19 01:47:57

Looby what a cheek!
Its awful having ti tell lies or make excuses. People shouldnt ask.

BradfordLass72 Mon 17-Jun-19 05:40:14

There are enough 'hot spot' all over the place, and for free, without anyone needing to use your private one.

They'd need your wifi password and could well use a lot of your data. So unless you are prepared to subsidise a user, such as a grandchild, the answer has to be a very firm 'no'.

By the way, your neighbours' son will have been able to see you DO have wifi, all the local ones pop up when you're looking for a connection (or they certainly do here and I doubt it's any different in UK).

Anja Mon 17-Jun-19 06:34:50

It’s a pity that you lied to him as he will be able to see that you have WiFi and which company supplies it.

Tartlet Mon 17-Jun-19 06:56:39

Although all the local wifi signals show up when someone tries to make a new connection there's no way of knowing for sure where each of the domestic signals is coming from, especially in an urban location.

I can see three other signals but I don't know which houses they're from and there are more than three houses nearby.

Grammaretto Mon 17-Jun-19 07:27:11

Not unreasonable at all!
We host volunteers who have access to our very poor WiFi.
Before the days of WiFi, they would ask if they could use my broadband computer to download their photos or print their boarding passes .
I reluctantly agreed but would have to spend ages afterwards converting it back to English or deleting thousands of pictures which were blocking the pc. because I'm not techie
At least now they all have phones and tablets and data.
I even say it's like asking to borrow my toothbrush!!
I send them to the library which offers a free service.
Don't worry that you fibbed. Plead ignorance and say you don't have WiFi to share if he asks again.

sodapop Mon 17-Jun-19 08:46:15

I don't know why it's necessary to lie about it. Tell the person involved that for reasons of security you do not share your WiFi.

fizzers Mon 17-Jun-19 08:58:20

it would be absolute madness to give your wifi password to the neighbours son, as previously said, if he's illegally downloading movies etc your ISP provider will be writing to you in no uncertain terms, plus he could also download porn. Also do you not think he would pass the information on to your neighbours? before you know it all and sundry will have access to your wifi

Auntieflo Mon 17-Jun-19 09:27:34

Anja, if he hasn’t got WIFI , how will he know the neighbours have got it?

jusnoneed Mon 17-Jun-19 10:17:21

Most public houses/cafes etc have free wi-fi these days so if he needs something online that badly he should go to somewhere like that.

Your address is not shown on the list of local wi-fi, only the supplier, type and signal strength etc so he wouldn't know if you have it or not.

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jun-19 10:27:14

Because Auntieflo as he would try to use internet on his phone a list of possible suppliers will come up.

Auntieflo Mon 17-Jun-19 10:37:42

Thank you Urmstongran. Technophobe that I am, I thought it might be ‘hidden’ somehow. Suppose nothing is these days!

jessycake Mon 17-Jun-19 10:39:05

Don't share it , all his family and any visiting friends could use it . Your neighbours cannot see if you have wifi , they may see several local signals, but you cannot identify which house they come from .

Daisyboots Mon 17-Jun-19 10:40:57

That's why it's best not to name your wifi as some people do then no one knows which one is yours.

notanan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:42:00

Anja, if he hasn’t got WIFI , how will he know the neighbours have got it?

All the wifis in range show up on tablets/laptops/phones

notanan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:43:01

That's why it's best not to name your wifi as some people do then no one knows which one is yours.

Its pretty obvious anyway, the strongest one is most likely next door's!

EllanVannin Mon 17-Jun-19 10:46:38

What a scrounger ! Apart from the family, never let an outsider use the wi-fi. Crime of sorts springs to my mind at such a request, drug dealing for instance where an ISP can be traced-------right back to yourself and unwittingly brought into your domain as being part of it.

polnan Mon 17-Jun-19 10:48:05

ooh, I can be silly, and I think I would have shared, but I am also very scared of IT,,
so if I come across this, I won`t... I share mine with my gks when they come visit, but that is different..
don`t think we should share to someone we don`t know..

quizqueen Mon 17-Jun-19 10:50:57

If people want to use a service, they need to pay for it- tell him that.

dianne2265 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:51:11

You definitely did the right thing.

Saggi Mon 17-Jun-19 10:54:03

The only people who access my wi-fi are rellies and friends .

Nannan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:00:05

Those who think he can see its you specifically who has the wifi are wrong- so dont fret over that( unless the wifi has been changed to one with your name in it- like my neighbours has!) It also shows old connections still on the list like our old one from original phoneline- so i wouldnt worry over this- it wont let him connect without the password so you are fine to say youve not got it- the ones showing could be any house around you( unless youre the only 2 houses in the middle of a field! Lol) you can also change name of yours to something totally different& unrecognisable.But you are right to be cautious as maybe the reason they get cut off is not because of bills but because hes downloading illegal stuff( even one my sons was unknowingly streaming some copyright music from a music site he thought was okay-when we got told it wasnt he never went on that one again- but the implication was we would be disconected if he had!And no i wouldnt give password to people i never get on with and only my family get it when they visit.And neighbours like that are a pain- i had some years ago and it started with a bit of painkilling medicine for the child then escalated to a regular borrowing of things some which never came back unless i went to ask.also when they had their electric cut off she asked if she could put a cable extension through just to watch wimbledon!(i relented in end just for the semi- finals& final then removed cable!) I couldnt understand it im not a tennis fangrin

Heather60 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:05:38

I would definitely say no ! You could lay yourself wide open to him abusing it and you have no way of controlling that!! We had newneighbors ask to use ours on the pretext they couldn't get connected for months by BT. I was amazed how quickly they were connected after that !

Nannan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:09:00

Some of these replies make me realise im not as big a technophobe/ beginner as i thought i was! Lol. I thought everyone knew a list shows up if someone clicks to try connect?It wont show which yours EXACTLY is though, unless you change yours to something which includes your actual name in it- you can change it to whatever you want- even a sentence- it doesnt neccessarily mean strongest signal is next doors either- as some signals are much weaker than others.

Nannan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:16:32

Anyway most smartphones(if he has one) have their own wifi these days so he'l just have to pay for that& use it instead wont he? If he asks again just say " hasnt your phone got its own wifi then?- just call in phone shop& they'l help you with that"-then close door.Or just tell him " oh i cant be bothered with all that new fangled internet nonsence"- itl be so beleivable, he wont bother you again probably- even if he does think youre old fogeys!grin

ElaineI Mon 17-Jun-19 11:17:26

Absolutely not and make sure your's is secure and password protected. Sounds very suspicious and DH would not allow it. He will be able to see you have wifi though so I wouldn't lie - just say you don't share it.

Lizsan Mon 17-Jun-19 11:18:45

For those who mentioned being able to see their WiFi and know they have - he will be able to see all providers within the area but not see where they are coming from. I used to use my upstairs neighbours wifi with their permission as I didnt have a connection in my place and it worked for both of us as I paid half their Bill.

Nannan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:20:57

And it would still show on list even for a line no longer used( like our old one from previous tenant as its a different phoneline) so you could just say you had it cut off.

Jaycee5 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:25:07

I would be very wary of letting anyone use my wi-fi but definitely not someone that I barely knew and didn't think much of.
You never know what they might download or what they can get into.

Nannan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:27:36

And springychicken? I think youre being a bit naìve.and too trusting.sorry.hmm

EthelJ Mon 17-Jun-19 11:28:38

Most people have smart phones these days do om not sure why he couldn't have used his data on that or bought more data if he needed it.

Nannan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:35:12

Because hes a scrounger and/ or doing something dodgy is why EthelJ! Or downloading music( even legally) is very costly so why use his own if he can put it on someone elses bill?

Pepine Mon 17-Jun-19 11:46:43

Unless your WiFi identifies you (by name or house name for example), he will have no way of telling if you have it or not. If this is the case or he challenges you simply say that you don’t have a guest WiFi option which is obviously what he is asking as we all know giving out your personal passwords for anything makes you vulnerable so you never do it.

olliebeak Mon 17-Jun-19 11:53:54

Technically speaking, it's actually illegal to give neighbours access to your Wi-Fi password - though it's perfectly alright to share it with visitors to your home ie family members, babysitters etc.
Although he'll be able to see details of 'available signals' in your vicinity, those details DO NOT include your actual address - so you don't need to worry about him catching you out. He's got a damn cheek!

SparklyGrandma Mon 17-Jun-19 11:55:00

YANBU - and if you did and he used lots of bandwidth say streaming games or movies, you may well have been kicking yourself.

Ninny1967 Mon 17-Jun-19 12:06:06

Imagine if he went onto illegal sites! In this day and age I wouldn’t trust anyone. There’s a world of badness online from child pornography to terrorism. Also you say you don’t get on with your neighbours, now that’s an alarm bell right there. Tell them McDonald’s do cheap coffee and free WiFi failing that buy their own broadband service, cheeky buggers 🥺

blondenana Mon 17-Jun-19 12:13:07

Scrounging neighbours are awful, my son has a neighbour who has scrounged from the day my son moved in, from borrowing sugar, coffee,asking to have a shower, as had no electric, to borrowing tobacco, borrowing money for a stamp, borrowing his phone as had no credit,even asking to boil 2 eggs,
Unbelievable, my son eventually had to say no more, but the man still came back, so at last he was told in no uncertain terms to go away,
I think he had been round all the other neighbours before that,

SparklyGrandma Mon 17-Jun-19 12:16:40

I once had a cheeky neighbour ring my doorbell late at night to ask to borrow a tenner to ‘get to work’.

I slammed the door shut without saying a word, which would have been a rude one, if I had said it.

The cheek!

Sherry1 Mon 17-Jun-19 12:32:35

I notice several people saying he will be able to see that you do have wifi... When you look for local wifi it lists what is connected nearby but it doesn't give an address. Even so I totally agree that you shouldn't let him use it.

Mapleleaf Mon 17-Jun-19 12:38:50

No, not being unreasonable, being sensible.

SynchroSwimmer Mon 17-Jun-19 13:26:01

I would be tempted to re-name my own Wifi something like:
BBC TV Detector Van 3


SynchroSwimmer Mon 17-Jun-19 13:27:36

In fact I have done exactly that with my mini mobile wifi unit....I love the fact that other guests in various hotels abroad will see it on their screens when they are searching themselves

NannyG123 Mon 17-Jun-19 13:28:36

I agree with everyone else he's got a blooming cheek.

blue60 Mon 17-Jun-19 13:28:55

They cannot see which particular household has wifi, and if you want to say you haven't got it so be it.

If it makes things easier to say that, then that is your prerogative and avoids possible confrontation.

Passwords are given for a reason, to keep you safe from unauthorised use, and you can bet they would be using it at your expense.

You are right to say no.

ReadyMeals Mon 17-Jun-19 13:51:02

I think I might have asked why, it could be he just had one urgent email to send and had run out of data. I wouldn't let them use it on an ongoing basis so as soon as he'd done the thing he needed to do I'd change the passcode.

EmilyHarburn Mon 17-Jun-19 13:51:06

Say no for all the reasons people have mentioned above.

Tillybelle Mon 17-Jun-19 13:52:32

nevesnan. Quite simply a polite "no".

In a case of something I haven't come across before I always ask "What's the worst that could happen?" Well here, obviously you don't know how he will use it. He might do something illegal that tracks back to you. However unlikely it may be, I just wouldn't take the risk.

Tillybelle Mon 17-Jun-19 13:58:22

I let an evil man use my computer when he came to visit - uninvited but he drove a long way and I felt obliged... I didn't know he was evil then but found him alarming and difficult. I don't know what he did with it but to this day but I still get cold chills of fear when I remember how I let him have access to my very private information. I may think I am extremely ordinary and boring, but I still have a private life, children, a sad background - which he exploited!

Sorry! My life in which I have been tricked and abused by some wicked people over the years has made me extremely safety-conscious. I might sound paranoid sometimes but I really mean it when I say it is better to be safe than sorry.

25Avalon Mon 17-Jun-19 13:59:04

Chances are that he has a smart phone in which case he could have switched his phone's 4G Mobile Data on to access the internet and would not need to have bothered you at all - except he would have to pay to his mobile phone company! Using your Wifi was a cheap option but don't feel bad about not giving him access to it when as I say he could have switched his 4G on or as others suggest gone to a pub or café where it is free for customers.

Tillybelle Mon 17-Jun-19 14:01:09

an extra "but". where from I ask?? My computer moves some words, usually when I type a 't'. Sorry! - also my eyes are terrible with the glare on the screen.... sorry OP i'll go away!

Johno Mon 17-Jun-19 14:03:03

Does he have access to using your wifi.. yes. If he is within range and he has your password. Should he have access? absolutely no way. It is the same as trespass.

Tillybelle Mon 17-Jun-19 14:04:16

You explained he could have ''gone to a pub or café where it is free for customers." That is where my paranoia pings. A public wifi, as far as I know, does not allow access to certain sites. "Certain sites" being....

Tillybelle Mon 17-Jun-19 14:21:28

notanan2. you can extend the wifi range by making it "tune in" to your electric cabling. I have no idea how it works and it does not use any electricity. You need to buy the appropriate thing to plug in and join to your internet router. Some seem to work independently. For example only I found this on Amazon]] (crumbs- longer than I thought!)
BUT I would ask your internet provider what you need. They ought to help you with this.

Newatthis Mon 17-Jun-19 14:27:09

WOW - what an almighty cheek!! Definitely would have said no.

notanan2 Mon 17-Jun-19 14:30:21

Tillybelle we have been on our providers case, we actually switched providers to another that would sort it but its still an issue. I wonder if its because theyre not new houses: old thick walls!

Legs55 Mon 17-Jun-19 14:36:58

Not unreasonable to refuse access to your wifi. When I go to stay with DM I use my phone as I've got 4G & if necessary pay for extra data if I've used my allowance

annodomini Mon 17-Jun-19 14:52:32

When you go into settings and search for 'network and internet', you will find a list of nearby internet connections. They should each have a little padlock icon beside them which indicates that they are password protected, as I presume yours is or he would probably have used it without bothering to ask.

Direne3 Mon 17-Jun-19 14:53:43

Tillybelle I assume you changed every single one of your passwords the moment he left. Not a nice experience to say the least. flowers

Daddima Mon 17-Jun-19 16:06:20

Reminded me of this!

Grammaretto Mon 17-Jun-19 16:40:11

Daddima grin

jocork Mon 17-Jun-19 17:32:03

I was once trying to pay a bill on line late one night as it was due that day and I'd forgotten. My wifi was unreliable and had dropped out and it was too late to contact the supplier so I asked to use my neighbours'. We get on fine and they agreed. After that every time my wifi played up my computer automatically connected to their's! I can't do it now as I replaced my computer so the new one doesn't have the password saved and I certainly didn't keep it as I just wanted it for the one transaction. I wouldn't share my wifi with someone I didn't get on with though and it sounds as if you don't get on that well with your neighbours so you were right to say no.
When I used to visit my mother in sheltered accommodation she had no wifi so I had to visit the local library and register to use their computers. At the time I didn't have a smart phone so it was the only way to access my email.

tickingbird Mon 17-Jun-19 17:53:44

I have allowed neighbours to borrow my wifi before. It can’t be traced to you as it's wifi and it if doesn't have a password on it anyone can access it. If you don’t get on with them it’s up to you if course.

SalsaQueen Mon 17-Jun-19 18:15:58

Let him use your wi-fi, and tell him all his friends can use it too, any time of the day or night grin. I think the least you could do is make them all some lunch/dinner and drinks, and perhaps offer them a bed for the night............

the cheeky little whatsit

Aepgirl Mon 17-Jun-19 21:14:10

Certainly not. If he needs WiFi he could go to the library.

moggie57 Mon 17-Jun-19 21:17:22

well adult son can go to a wifi internet cafe .or go to a coffee shop.i would be be very careful who i let into my home. blooming cheek.

NanaMacGeek Mon 17-Jun-19 22:28:18

You wireless router has an address (MAC address) which your provider knows. All your broadband traffic, including packets that will be sent on to your devices via WiFi, is routed to that address and it is traceable. It is only your password and the proximity of devices that protects your WiFi connection. If other devices can see your router's broadcast identity (SSID) they can access it provided they have the password. Both SSID and password can be changed on a wireless router but the MAC address is built in.

GabriellaG54 Tue 18-Jun-19 09:01:05

No no and no. Never share your Wi-Fi unless it's family.

GabriellaG54 Tue 18-Jun-19 09:05:21

You are totally wrong.
Messages and sites accessed can be traced to your IP address.
If you choose to compromise a secure link that's your business but please don't say it's ok.

dizzygran Tue 18-Jun-19 10:01:46

I agree. I did let sick neighbour's adult relation use ours when she as visiting from abroad, but most cafes - now have Wi-Fi so I wouldn't as a rule give anyone else access. my

tickingbird Tue 18-Jun-19 10:22:43

GabriellaG54 I do most humbly apologise for my error. However, I’m not precious about such things. I’m not someone who gets incensed if someone parks outside my home or touches my trolley whilst in the supermarket. I trusted my new neighbour, who did offer to pay me, but, normally wouldn't let anyone use my wifi. However, I was once told by someone far more knowledgable than me, that there is no risk in allowing someone access to one’s broadband as they can’t access your computer, merely your wifi signal.

NanaMacGeek Tue 18-Jun-19 11:41:02

tickingbird, most people don't bother to change the admin settings on their router to prevent easy access to their network (or are reluctant to make any changes in case they can't undo them). Once you have the WiFi password and are in range, it is usually simple to access the router administration page and listen in on communications and attack any devices on the network. The WiFi password is really the main defence against hacking a home router and the devices it can see.

curlilox Tue 18-Jun-19 12:35:19

If you had allowed him to use it then he would have been able to go on any time after that as he would have been able to connect automatically and he would have given his mum the password, so then she could get on for free and anyone else who visits. Who knows how many people would have your password! You did the right thing. Years ago (before mobiles) we gave a neighbour permission to give our phone number to the school as an emergency number. They gave it out to all and sundry as the number to contact them. We kept getting people ringing up wanting to speak to them. The last straw was when the daughter was in prison and the prison phoned me wanting to speak to her mother.

SparklyGrandma Tue 18-Jun-19 17:27:50

SynchroSwimmer that’s a brilliant idea, BBC Detector Van.

EMMF1948 Wed 19-Jun-19 11:09:36

If he is doing anythong illegal online, making comments on social media for example, then the ISP would lead anyone investigating to your address and you would have serious problems. As you don't have a good relationship anyway I'd say No.

luckyrose62 Wed 19-Jun-19 11:14:09

Definitely Nooooo even if he is super clever and very respectable with great job........
“ Dark Web”. an evil place that even well to do it intelligent people use for the most disgusting of things. Rant over... he should not put you in that situation. I think there are still places he can go libraries internet places. For legitimate use

DameJudyClench Wed 19-Jun-19 11:15:45

I very naively allowed a neighbour to do this a few years ago. The result was that my bandwidth was severely compromised and it created problems with being able to view films etc.

Also, as another poster mentioned, if he's downloading illegal content, that could come down on you.

Don't feel guilty, you don't owe him anything, and frankly he's a cheeky git for even asking.

Bridgeit Wed 19-Jun-19 14:16:21

Imo, You were totally reasonable, sad to say, but these days you have to be very wary .

Merryweather Wed 19-Jun-19 17:16:54

Make sure your password is difficult to access and check for unauthorized users too in case he's hacked his way in.
Our is really tight but one day we noticed a drop in speed and sure enough someone had illegally logged in.

GoodMama Fri 21-Jun-19 22:53:49

Very rude of him. You were not wrong to turn him down.

A cup of sugar? Sure, no problem.
Your Wifi password? Not a chance

Tigertooth Sat 29-Jun-19 09:08:13

If you don’t like them then, no, why would you?
I have a holiday home and next door offered their wi-if code as it’s not worth paying for so-if all year when we’re only there for Easter and summer. We have a great relationship though, she is my friend and I always stand a big cream tea as thanks.