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LucyGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 18-Nov-15 17:20:13

Grey pride

We are delighted to introduce our new regular guest columnist. Judith Holder is the author and producer of the international hit Grumpy Old Women TV series for BBC Two and co-writes (with Jenny Éclair) the stage show spin-offs as well as doing a lot of faffing on with her to do lists.

Judith Holder

Grey Pride

Posted on: Wed 18-Nov-15 17:20:13

(119 comments )

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Judith Holder

Having spent the last ten years mining a comedy seam about getting older, I think of myself as self appointed head girl of the sisterhood which is women over 50 with a dry white wine and lockable Tupperware habit. But then I was always prone to self importance. I’ve also just done a posh visiting research fellowship at the University of Oxford studying the ageing process which sounds very grand but don’t be too impressed because on a good day it was wonderful, but on a bad day I thought they might have mistaken me for someone else. It’s a massive topic, but the one thing it made me determined to do was to gather support and interest in a movement to help re-launch and reclaim our older age - hence “Grey Pride”.

My studies coincided with me turning 60 which is a stylish way to apply for your first student rail card. I can’t tell you how much I enjoyed presenting it at stations. It is not what people expect, and this I suppose is the point. We need to shake up the whole process of getting older. We need to celebrate the plus sides of ageing, and to emphasise that people once they become “old” (whatever that now means ) still feel the same inside as they always did, but just with more bad hair days and a tendency to leave some lipstick on their teeth. We are still the mischievous young people we always were with a zest for life and a sack load of life skills and wisdom to add to it. We don’t want to be labelled up just as needy and lonely and negative, we want the world to recognize us for who we are.

No-one should pretend that being old and frail and lonely is something to celebrate. It isn't.


The trouble with the word old is that it really is just about the most universally negative one in the language and is saturated in negativity and need and despair. This is surely the first thing we need to change. We need to shift attitudes, and to make being properly old a more appealing place to be heading than it currently is. This feels like a reasonable aspiration given that a third of the world’s population is already over 50.

No-one should pretend that being old and frail and lonely is something to celebrate. It isn’t. But we can celebrate the fact that old people whatever their needs are still the astonishing people they always were.

Previous generations looked forward to being elders, being the head of the family, being the person to predict a good potato harvest and being valued for their wisdom. Now we need to go out of our way to champion and celebrate the old.
The solution is not simple. We are not a homogenous lump, and there is a huge mismatch between what the world sees and what we feel inside. But we need to make a start and getting older has never been more interesting or more important. Making old the new rock and roll is going to be challenging, but we need to reclaim our older age.

Maybe a good way to start is by contemplating some of the upsides of being older.

Upside No 1
Being able to spot gormlessness at 100 meters and before suspect in question has even opened their mouth. This is useful in many ways. For example, I can weigh up the best supermarket check out operative with 100% certainty and choose the fastest lane on offer. Often, interestingly my radar will point me to the oldest person on the check out as the one who will know the difference between a mango and a tangerine and who will also be able to trouble shoot problems rather than simply call for the supervisor. Sometimes of course my radar is useful because you positively want to seek out gormlessness in a shop assistant. I'm thinking in particular of when I am "taking back" as in I've gone off it, or if I'm honest when I've already worn it but have gone off it. Then my friends the gormless person in the shop is what you want, not what you want to avoid.

Find out more about Judith by visiting her website here.

By Judith Holder

Twitter: @greyprideuk

Ana Wed 18-Nov-15 19:29:37

I didn't think it was. Why would anyone say it as a joke?

loopylou Wed 18-Nov-15 19:30:40

It actually happens jingl, including wedding outfits so def not a joke hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Nov-15 19:32:48

Shop assistants don't seem to want to think for themselves. They come up with the "party line". That's all I'm saying. And I'm not arguing with anyone about it either.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Nov-15 19:35:00

Oh for goodness sake. " We don't have the likes of that on here. Sorry darling."

You really can't see that was meant lightheartedly?! Weird! hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 18-Nov-15 19:35:32

I'm off. Bye.

loopylou Wed 18-Nov-15 19:36:44

Probably they daren't be individual or would have to face the consequences.
Years ago my sister in law worked in a very upmarket shop and dared to tell a customer that a particularly hideous outfit didn't suit her.
She came very close to losing her job and was demoted to the store room.

Alea Wed 18-Nov-15 23:31:17

I confess to being disappointed.
There is nothing in this that we have not voiced already, nothing original or particularly witty. Nor is it amusingly written (like Kathy Lette or Sandi Toksvig) and the thoughts on the perks of ageing smack of teaching granny to suck eggs.
GN has older, wiser, more amusing, more articulate and dare I suggest, more authentic talent at its fingertips.

PRINTMISS Thu 19-Nov-15 10:41:44

Well, if she is a columnist and a writer of sorts, then she obviously has to write something, even if she appears to know very little about it.

loopylou Thu 19-Nov-15 10:56:32

hmm
I guess it fills spaces.......

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 11:25:41

You can't fault what she's trying to do though. I was 'ageisted' by a vicar the other day. Was at an event with DD and her (young-ish and attractive) friend. He spent a good ten minutes talking to them, and totally ignored me. It was quite shocking really.

I don't think she, or anyone else else, can change things though.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 19-Nov-15 11:27:08

I wonder what a guest fellowship on the ageing process covers. They only last about six months I think.

TinyTwo Fri 20-Nov-15 16:45:05

Not sure I understand the negativity about this...? I think she's spot on. Especially about increased bad hair days grin But more importantly about not changing. We are the same people, we don't magically transform into old crones as soon as we reach a milestone birthday. Yes, it should be obvious but IT ISN'T. And we need to talk about it more so that people start acknowledging this fact. And what better way to do that than with a sense of humour.

kiernan58 Fri 20-Nov-15 16:51:02

i do so hate it when people talk to my daughter (orgrandaughter!!!) instead of me. Makes me feel about 2 feet tall

perhaps that's why the 'still the same on the inside' line struck a chord with me. i may prefer a good book and a bath to a night on the town now, but i'm still the same person i was thirty years ago thank you very uch!

kiernan58 Fri 20-Nov-15 16:51:51

oops sorry about the typos, must remember to put glasses on before typing...

Jane10 Fri 20-Nov-15 18:04:02

I'm with the others and was instinctively turned off by what the OP was saying and the way she said it. She's certainly not the 'head girl' around here!

Alea Fri 20-Nov-15 18:35:09

As one of the "nay-sayers" I just felt that she had nothing to add to things that have been expressed many times over, and often with more humour, on GN already. As I said, disappointed. sad

Lavande Sun 22-Nov-15 08:30:44

Being respectful does not diminish with age but spans generations. I can be as grumpy as the next person but being older means I can contain it better. We can't expect respect if we don't show it, irrespective of age, profession, class etc.

anneliz Sun 22-Nov-15 08:56:52

Oh Good Grief - you all sound as though you have got out of bed on the wrong side today. What a load of Grumpy Old Women you are. Would you speak to Jane like this if she were here in person? I don't think so!

Judith, thank you for the article, which I'm sure took a heck of a lot longer to write than it did for this shower to read and disparage.

anneliz Sun 22-Nov-15 08:58:20

Sorry meant Judith not Jane - someone on the radio said Jane and I typed it blush

janeainsworth Sun 22-Nov-15 09:16:24

anneliz If someone writes a blog on Gransnet promoting themselves (even if ironically) as the 'self-appointed head girl of the sisterhood of women over 50' then they must be prepared for a bit of disparagement.
To paraphrase Groucho Marks, I don't want to be a member of a sisterhood that wants me as a member of it.
I don't want to swap a stereotype of old women as needy hopeless creatures for one of old women as purple-wearing, alcohol swigging feistiness, thank you very much.
As for you referring to those Gransnetters who disagree with you as 'this shower' then I suggest you STFU.

thatbags Sun 22-Nov-15 09:21:08

Hear, hear, janea!

JamJar1 Sun 22-Nov-15 09:28:35

Good morning anneliz pot, kettle perhaps?

whenim64 Sun 22-Nov-15 10:08:34

Well said, janea. 'Grey Pride' eh? I think I'll consign that one to the same bin as 'Silver Surfer.' I've never been too interested in what 'self-appointed head girls' have to say. I wonder what made Judith feel she needed to declare this?

ffinnochio Sun 22-Nov-15 10:37:28

Far too busy bunking of school, when wink

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 22-Nov-15 10:42:59

Do NOT call any group that includes me, "a shower"! Bloody cheek!

Piss off. angry