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Chavs: the demonization of the working class

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grrrranny Sat 11-Aug-12 13:55:04

nightowl and petallus and anyone else interested - don't know if this should be on book forum or politics but if anyone reads, has read, the book by Owen Jones (ISBN-13:978-1-84467-696-5) I would love to hear your opinions. I'll need to re-read it now.

Anagram Sat 11-Aug-12 19:28:18

PM Jim Hacker: "Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country, The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country, The Times is read by people who actually do run the country, The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country, The Financial Times is read by people who own the country, The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country and the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is."
Sir Humphrey: "Prime Minister, what about the people who read the Sun?"
Bernard Wooley: "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits."
— Yes, Prime Minister


JessM Sat 11-Aug-12 19:30:47

Well said wheni'm - not just a bunch of lies but a blatant bunch of lies. I know I have previously cited the day DH, on the phone to a Mail journalist said about a story they wanted a comment on "That is just not correct. if you print that it will be a lie." Of course they went straight ahead.
They are trying to create opinion not reflect it, but in an indirect way, rather than making reasoned arguments. Then you get people like Gove feeding them the lines, just to get on the front page. Thus they shape knee jerk policy formation.
They also deal in miserable negative, downbeat stuff. DM is not alone in lies and negativity but they lead the charge. Other countries manage without this kind of journalism. There is enough to be fed up about in the country without the DM talking it down so determinedly.
I guess it is becoming clear why the DM is so unpopular with some of us!
It will be interesting to see the conclusions and recommendations of Leveson.

whenim64 Sat 11-Aug-12 19:34:38

Anagram grin Yes Prime Minister gave us some priceless witicisms that were spot on!

Grannyknot Sat 11-Aug-12 19:43:01

What really gets my goat is the 'rolling news' or 24/7 news that seems to have come about in the last decade or so. Sometimes an hour is devoted to a story where there are only half a dozen facts known, but every Joe Soap and his wife, neighbour, retired police officer, former probation officer, social worker, etc etc is given the opportunity to air their opinion as if it is gospel. Or sometimes they concede it is all conjecture - but then go right ahead and pontificate anyway. Thankfully, there's always the off button. I was at a media seminar for work recently, and there is a huge fall off in print readers (and an increase in online readers of course) for all the major newspapers. The DM by far the most read in both online and print versions. The people who still buy the print versions of the newspapers are the ones who want the '40 minutes' that it takes to peruse a paper from top to bottom, and also those who like seeing the whole package instead of the bite sized chunks that online articles often offer. I do like to look at photos online but there's nothing better than sitting down with the paper and a brew.

whenim64 Sat 11-Aug-12 19:58:07

I can't speak for any other profession, but probation officers are not allowed to speak about cases or give opinions on the news. That would breach confidence and prejudice unbiased treatment of any case we were required to work with.

We usually wheel out Harry Fletcher from the PO union, to discuss policy or PO working conditions, but not cases.

Ariadne Sat 11-Aug-12 20:00:04

I really don't like the " poseur tabloids" like "The Dailt Mail"and "Express", but equally am irritated by the smugness of "The Telegraph. "The Times" is all I can manage but they are all biassed, aren't they?

whenim64 Sat 11-Aug-12 20:01:57

Pressed post too soon. Often, people are called probation officers, or ex POs, when they are no such thing. Workers who are unqualified have been called POs by the press, and ex-workers are often ex for good reason.

nanaej Sat 11-Aug-12 20:02:06

anagram grin So true! Except for Morning Star readers..we just want the people to run the country!

Annobel Sat 11-Aug-12 20:11:49

nanaej, grin

Mishap Sat 11-Aug-12 20:27:37

Worked on a magazine as picture editor for many years and found the attitudes of the editor a pain - always looking for an "angle" rather than just presenting the facts; latching onto a tragedy as if it were a gift from the gods. Journalists get into a very strange mindset and lose the ability to see that people do not necessarily need drama and exaggeration - they would quite like the facts, lucidly expressed.
I remember being at university during the sit-ins of the late 60s and the stuff that appeared on the news bore absolutely no relation to the facts. It was an eye-opener for my innocent mind!

grrrranny Sat 11-Aug-12 20:41:28

Err - uhm - so what do people think of the book? Went out, spent too much, bought leather jacket (well I really liked it), a tartan grip, and a scarf in MIdlands GN chaper colours, came home, had wine then microwaved yesterday's left over dinner whilst watching Mo and all this has happened on GN. I am a slouch.

Anagram Sat 11-Aug-12 20:52:00

grrranny, sorry we've got a bit off-track, but no one but you has actually read the book yet! grin

Annobel Sat 11-Aug-12 20:55:27

it isn't available on Kindle, so not for immediate reading!

jeni Sat 11-Aug-12 20:55:38

Ooer midlands chapter of Hells grannies! Purple white and green!

March march swing ye along!(suffragettes, that's us!)

I've got a purple fascinator!

I wonder if the railway police know we're converging on Birmingham ?

grrrranny Sat 11-Aug-12 21:12:16

Jamaica just won mens 4x4 - shush jeni about the chapter meeting in case we are being tracked in some way but yes - scarf is purple, green and white - march march - I am a wee bit surprised that no one else has read the book - I would urge people to do so even if they don't agree with the politics as it will be interesting (not being callous here) to see how the media report Tia's death and the book was most illuminating about the way these tragedies are perceived depending upon the class (no apology for using the word) of the victim, perpetrator, family and wider community.

nanaej Sat 11-Aug-12 21:30:47

Absolutly right grrranny.. class pervades all aspects of society in all sorts of ways..often quite subtly too!

Nonu Sat 11-Aug-12 22:28:52

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grrrranny Sat 11-Aug-12 22:34:19

Nonu what was that about? Yes we crossed topics a bit but that does happen from time to time. Do not think that the tone of your post was conforming to the ettiquette or have I misunderstood you.

Nonu Sat 11-Aug-12 22:35:02

For Jeni sorry , I didn"t say say in previous post x

grrrranny Sat 11-Aug-12 22:40:51

Nonu were you being funny then because I thought you were being nasty - to whoever. I often forget that people don't get my humour when I post and constantly get into trouble. Was that the case with your post?

whenim64 Sat 11-Aug-12 22:41:46

Personal attacks are unwarranted. Please let's keep to the etiquette of the forum smile

Annobel Sat 11-Aug-12 22:42:06

Agree with you, grrranny. This is not conforming to the etiquette as far as I can tell nor is it the way we normally talk to one another on these forums.

Nonu Sat 11-Aug-12 22:48:45

xxx to you gals

Nonu Sat 11-Aug-12 22:53:02

grrrrany , you are a fine one to talk Tell it like it is sweetpea

grrrranny Sat 11-Aug-12 22:55:14

I told you my humour gets me into trouble - it's not often funny.