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Here we go again

(20 Posts)
absentgrana Wed 22-Feb-12 11:39:40

This is beginning to feel personal. The Social Market Foundation, some kind of think tank, reckons that "the £1 billion estimated annual cost of OAP travel passes was one low-priority item of spending that did nothing to improve the economy and should be scrapped".

When did the economy become the be-all and end-all of human existence in this country?
Who says its low-priority. For some people it's the only thing that prevents them from being housebound and lonely, which, in turn, can result in extra costs for social services and the NHS.
Who says – apart from this Ian Mulheirn (director of the foundation) that paying for OAP travel does nothing to improve the economy? What about grans who use buses for their shopping, to get to the jobs for which they volunteer, to travel to libraries or whatever when caring for their grandchildren?
£1 billion is a piddly sum of money in the general scheme of things.

This constant tirade about the over 60s is starting to feel like a conspiracy. angry

whatisamashedupphrase Wed 22-Feb-12 11:42:10

I agree with you on all counts absentgrana.

supernana Wed 22-Feb-12 11:48:04

absent ditto angry

em Wed 22-Feb-12 11:49:10

How does that tie in with the power of the 'grey pound' of which we hear so much? Can't contribute to the economy nearly as well if stuck at home! Maybe he should also be reminded that our age-group contains a huge number of conscientious voters.

GoldenGran Wed 22-Feb-12 11:51:00

And me absent. I do feel our generation are under attack.

Jacey Wed 22-Feb-12 12:16:40

So agree absent ...especially when I've got in writing ...from my MP (re another thread) ..."that grandparents provide £3.9 billion worth of child care every year" !!

And yes that is billion doesn't that equate to nearly 4x 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 more than they give us for transport costs confused

Or am I too old to do the maths hmm

susiecb Wed 22-Feb-12 15:26:10

I still think mass suicide is the only answer to the country's problems - ours that is as we are the root of all their problemssmile I shall begin to drink and chocolate myself to death in earnest - should only take about 20

Greatnan Wed 22-Feb-12 15:44:57

Not only older people are being targeted. ATOS is the private company to which the government has awarded the contract to examine those claiming Incapacity Benefit or DLA and there have been some ludicrous decisions. Many genuinely ill and disabled people, and their carers, live in dread of being told they are fit to work and will lose their benefit. Of course, if you read the Daily Mail you would think that everyone claiming benefit is a scrounger.

Billions have been paid to consultants to come up with unworkable schemes. Several executives of one of the government's favourite companies, which was paid for getting people into work, have been questioned by the police on the suspicion of fraud - i.e. exaggerating the number of people found long term employment. Of course, nobody would suggest that there has been any corruption in the awarding of these lucrative contracts. We all know that MPs are above any kind of dishonesty.

crimson Wed 22-Feb-12 16:37:54

Someone should do a survey to find out how many people in our local shopping centre are pensioners and how many of them went into town on the bus. I hardly go into town these days due to the cost of parking, but when [if] I get my bus pass I shall go much more often and spend money when I get there. Shall also go to the theatre and cinema in town during the daytime as well, something I don't do now due to parking fees. Who thinks up these ideas? Are the non paying pensioners stopping people from using the buses; are they having to queue for the next bus because they are full? I think not. Oh rage angry...

Carol Wed 22-Feb-12 16:58:53

The only way I will travel into Manchester is with my bus pass, as parking fees are exhorbitant. If Manchester city council wants to withdraw my bus pass, it can withdraw my spending power in the city, too. I'll go elsewhere.

crimson Wed 22-Feb-12 17:00:46


Carol Wed 22-Feb-12 17:12:11

Trafford Centre (nothing wrong with Eccles, though).

jeni Wed 22-Feb-12 17:44:29

greatnan it's no longer incap, it's now called ESA. We have now started the second set of regulations, much harder than the last ones!

Anne58 Wed 22-Feb-12 17:46:33

Some good points here. Although I do know one chap who got his bus pass ovr a year ago and has never used it! (Partly because there aren't really any buses that go from the village wher he and his wife live, apart from once a week to the local market that he has no desire to go to.)

He is one of the most youthful pensioners Iknow, looks about mid fifties, drives etc. he and his wife take loads of holidays (they are currently in Australia)

I asked him why he bothered to go in person and get the pass, when he knew full well he woud never use it. His reply? "I'm entitled to it!"

Annobel Wed 22-Feb-12 17:59:42

Not that I would ever vote for this lot, but I am sure that an army of pensioners will withdraw their support if the government pays any attention to this notion.

glammanana Wed 22-Feb-12 18:06:14

I wonder when they will start rationing our food allowance ?

johanna Wed 22-Feb-12 18:32:33

Maybe we should all be afraid, very afraid... as they say.
Obviously the powers that are realise that very soon there wil be no monies
to pay state pensions.
There are already not enough people working to keep this going for ever.

Oldgreymare Wed 22-Feb-12 23:25:12

I am concerned about how bus companies recoup the money that would be spent on tickets.
I often walk into town but catch the bus back (hill to climb, shopping to carry, weather deteriorates etc). I ask for a ticket to my destination which is all of a mile away. Frequently I am handed a ticket which has the final destination of the bus printed on it ( 12 to 15 miles away) and about 5 times the cost.
I presume the bus company therefore gets reimbursed the full fare!
Could this be why subsidising travel for OAPs is proving so expensive.

Greatnan Thu 23-Feb-12 09:53:59

Stagecoach could certainly afford to give pensioners free rides, having seen off the opposition in many areas.

Stansgran Thu 23-Feb-12 12:40:44

Locally we can travel before 9.30am for 50p. The bus is full of students late for college-on bus passes. Logic always bypasses public bodies.