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is it " virtue signalling" or just a good thing?

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PECS Wed 05-Dec-18 09:26:50

Some schools are suggesting donations to the town foodbank rather than gifts for teachers...

annsixty Wed 05-Dec-18 09:33:00

I think it is an excellent idea.
Our friends asked for the same for their Golden Wedding celebrations and the guests were delighted and a very large package went to the food bank.
Win win all round.

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 09:38:58

I think it’s a brilliant idea . We have a large ( much relied on) food bank in our town . Not sure how to go about making the suggestion though. I suspect some of the families at my DGC’s primary probably use the food bank themselves .

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Dec-18 09:47:00

I think the whole thing could be used as a learning tool for the children, "the true spirit of Christmas" Brilliant idea 🎄🤶🎅🏻🎁

Maggiemaybe Wed 05-Dec-18 09:49:04

True, gillybob. I worked in a school in a very deprived area and some of the letters sent out asking for donations made me very uncomfortable. Then parents who had next to nothing would sometimes prove the most generous.

NotSpaghetti Wed 05-Dec-18 09:50:02

Yes, I agree, good idea. Teachers can still have cards and good wishes.

NotSpaghetti Wed 05-Dec-18 09:51:02

And is it really “virtue signaling”?

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 09:52:57

Who would call it virtue signalling? The vast majority of teachers say a home made card from the child is treasured and really really don’t want gifts. This is an excellent solution if parents feel they simply have to give a gift. I hate the phrase btw

Bathsheba Wed 05-Dec-18 09:53:26

I think it's a marvellous idea.

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 09:53:55

Those letters asking for donations are a huge problem Maggiemaybe . £2 -£3 might seem chicken feed to some people but to those relying on a food bank it is impossible to find.

TerriBull Wed 05-Dec-18 09:54:18

Really makes sense, I've got a friend who was a teacher, very similar gifts at such times, how many boxes of chocolates can one person consume grin

On a similar note I think I read recently, a directive from a private school to parents "try to keep teacher gifts to a maximum of £50" shock I mean why would you, shocking amount! Much better to donate to a real need, than waste money on gesture friperies that often aren't wanted.

NotSpaghetti Wed 05-Dec-18 09:54:42

Exactly maryeliza54 - it was the question in the heading. I certainly don’t see it that way.

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 09:55:37

Any idea how I could put this idea to the head of my DGC’s primary ? She’s retiring at Christmas so will undoubtedly be inundated with small gifts from those who have very little to give .

grandMattie Wed 05-Dec-18 09:55:59

I think it is a bit of both - depends how it was said/done. I do think it is a good thing though.

NotSpaghetti Wed 05-Dec-18 09:57:19

It also means that even children in struggling families can participate in the card giving as equals - even if they are having to use the food banks themselves.

Oakleaf Wed 05-Dec-18 09:58:02

An excellent idea. I'm retired now but was still teaching when giving gifts to teachers was starting to become a thing. I am sad to say parents were starting to compete. Also, for many hard pressed families, it's just one more thing they feel they have to buy. It made me feel very uncomfortable and any move away from this trend would be welcome. A handmade card from younger children is a nice thing to receive. A thank you and happy Christmas, Miss from the older ones is enough.

NotSpaghetti Wed 05-Dec-18 10:00:32

Gillybob I would just speak to her directly and say you’ve discovered other schools are doing this. You could suggest she raise it with staff as an idea. I expect retirement gifts are inevitable but Christmas ones may be diverted this way...

Rosina Wed 05-Dec-18 10:04:21

This should be the whole point of Christmas surely, to look around and try to help those who are in need. Even if you are hard up you can make a sandwich or give a hot drink to someone who is living in a doorway. Makes so much more sense than giving teachers masses of stuff that they either can't make any use of, or will never eat.

knickas63 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:04:40

I think teachers in particular are in a unique position to see real poverty and its effect on thier pupils. I think it is an excellent idea! Born from reall knowledge and feeling.

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 10:07:03

Yes I think retirement gifts are inevitable NotSpagetti and I wasn’t meaning that she shouldn’t get any ( before anyone has a go at me ) . It is a large primary in a high density LA housing estate where a lot of people rely on benefits to get by . I think k this is a brilliant idea and a letter home to parents saying the teachers have requested no gifts but to bring a small donation to the food bank ( worded better than that obviously ) would be amazing . I would be more than happy to help coordinate if they wanted me to . Will telephone the school today . Im quite excited .

Nonnie Wed 05-Dec-18 10:07:04

I'm with GG13

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:09:43

Just send an email to her or is it possible to have a word?I Or is there a PTA that would be organising this you could have a word with? I’m just a bit hesitant about the whole issue of being hard up and not being expected to give.I’ll try and explain why - one of the effects of poverty is is being denied so many of the opportunities that others take for granted, of lack of hope, a loss of dignity and feelings of low self worth - a type of social exclusion. If you are hard up and you really want to say thank you to your child’s teacher/ retiring headteacher through a gift ( and you know that this is what happens these days right or wrong) it can be very affirming to be able to give a gift - the food bank idea isn’t individually identifiable, the letter sent out could give examples of a tin of beans or tomatoes and stress how every contribution counts. Don’t know if I’ve ecplsined this very well - I forgot to say that giving a small contribution helps the child to feel included as well in ‘normal’ life

Mapleleaf Wed 05-Dec-18 10:14:52

No, not virtue signalling. It's a good idea, but it needs to be suggested carefully, for, as gillybob says there are, in many schools, Parents who will be in need of the food banks themselves, and the last thing schools would want to see would be people struggling out of a sense of obligation to give, when in reality, they can't afford to.
A nice home made card (nothing elaborate, either, a drawing is enough) would be appreciated rather than boxes of chocolates, mugs and notebooks. It's a tricky one, though, as children like to give something, but competition does sometimes creep in and also, some of the children who don't have anything to give can feel upset about it, despite assurances from the teacher that it doesn't matter.

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 10:15:50

I can ring her secretary and ask to be put through . She’s very approachable and will take my call if she’s not too busy . My 3 older DGC have all gone / go there and I’ve helped out quite a bit over the years so she knows me anyway . Easier to say no over the phone than face to face I think .

Marelli Wed 05-Dec-18 10:17:17

At a primary school in Inverclyde a teacher had given the children a letter to take home, suggesting that instead of giving her a gift, which while it was appreciated she would really enjoy receiving a handmade card from pupil instead. She suggested that if wished, a little bit of money could be put in an envelope and handed in by the child. Or perhaps nothing in an envelope would be OK, too. Who's to know?
The class would then do a shopping list deciding amongst themselves what might be needed by families who need to use the Foodbank. They would shop for the food and be involved in handing it over. I think it's a great way of raising awareness.

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 10:17:41

I was thinking that it could be anonymous so no one needs to know who gave or who didn’t ? Maybe a shopping trolley in the foyer ? I dare phone Asda and ask to borrow one ! Getting carried away now .

Oldwoman70 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:21:46

I always thought "virtue signalling" was when people did something to bring attention to themselves and their "good deeds".

I think encouraging children to donate to a food bank is an excellent idea. When my nieces were at school they were asked that, instead of gifts for teachers, they instead donate a toy, in good condition, which they no longer played with, these were then put in with food parcels. It helped them understand that there were many children without their advantages and now in their 20s they continue to support various charities

Maggiemaybe Wed 05-Dec-18 10:27:37

The PTA at the school of one of my DGS sent round a letter “asking” each parent to contribute £15 per child towards staff presents at the end of the school year. There was no acknowledgement that some people simply couldn’t afford this, or might just not want to give.

My DD thought it was the norm now but I was shocked. Yes it’s nice to get/give a token of appreciation, maybe a few flowers or a small box of chocs, and definitely a card. Anything else seems wrong to me. The school’s in an affluent area, but that certainly doesn’t mean all the parents are well off.

My school had a strict policy about what staff could accept (I seem to remember the typical cost of a promotional pencil being the upper level for a single gift smile).

Blinko Wed 05-Dec-18 10:40:34

MaggieMaybe, had I been a recipient of the request for £15 for presents for staff, I think/hope I would have responded that any donation I made would be heading to the local foodbank.

grandtanteJE65 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:41:00

In principle teaching children to donate food to a food bank, or donate to any other charity is a good thing, but unless you also teach them that donations should be made privately and who has given what or how much or and is not to be discussed at all, it can create difficulties for families who cannot afford very much.

However, my experience going round with a collecting box for various charities is that the poorer households are much more likely to give, as they know what it feel like to need help. Some apologise for not being able to give more. In the well-to -do areas I have had doors slammed in my face or been told, "We never give to charity!"

NemosMum Wed 05-Dec-18 10:48:25

Grrrr! angry The gifts for teachers thing makes me see red! IMHO schools should put a stop to it altogether. It's an arms race, with the most nauseating parents currying favour with ludicrous gew gaws. Other parents feel under pressure to provide gifts they really can't afford. Children vie with each other over gifts for 'Miss'. Teachers get paid reasonably, have security of tenure and have decent pensions. Yes, I know they have to work hard (I was one, a long time ago). Someone I know taught in Mexico for a while. The parents used to bring her food-mixers and gold jewellery and just have a little word about their daughter's marks next year! It is a slippery slope. Just encourage the child to make a nice card.

eazybee Wed 05-Dec-18 10:48:27

I find it extremely hypocritical that people suggest charitable giving at the expense of others, in this case, school staff.

Schools already organise many charitable collections and fundraising activities; the child next door to me is collecting for a foodbank via her school, as her brother did last year and I buy food specially for it; my expense, not taken from people I would give gifts too.

The school staff won't have much choice in disagreeing with such a proposition.

eazybee Wed 05-Dec-18 10:49:25

'to whom I would give gifts.'

gillybob Wed 05-Dec-18 10:51:45

Oh for goodness sake “at the expense of others” eazybee ?

eazybee Wed 05-Dec-18 10:51:51

Nemo's mum.
It's an arms race, with the most nauseating parents currying favour with ludicrous gew gaws
What an insulting comment.

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:52:24

It’s obviously essential that the donations are anonymous .Gilly the idea of borrowing a shopping trolley is a great idea - you could decorate it up nicely and I bet Asda or whoever might add a few goodies to start you off. I don’t like the idea of money in envelopes - i think it should be items suitable for food bank - actually your local bank would give you a list probably including Christmas ideas and certainly suggesting very low cost items.

dragonfly46 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:56:13

I think it is a great idea. I too was a teacher and received so many boxes of chocolates at Christmas. It also means that everyone can give what they can afford even if it is just a tin of peas.

I read there is a school where the head has limited the presents for teachers to £50. Apparently the parents were buying Mulberry handbags. Quite ridiculous.

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 10:58:02

For goodness sake eazy no one would force this on a school - some school themselves are suggesting it and gilly is suggesting suggesting it.What is the matter with you? It’s not hypocritical and if a school goes down that path then parents should respect it.

mabon1 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:12:36

Brilliant idea and the children will learn about less privileged people who are hungry. Anyway I don't understand why teachers have Christmas gifts, they are doing a job and are reasonably well paid, many people who work hard for very little don't receive gifts for what they do. I know for a fact that many of the gifts they receive go straight to the charity shop!!

4allweknow Wed 05-Dec-18 11:12:48

All this about teachers receiving gifts. When I worked with Local Authority I would have been sacked accepting any gift whatsoever. Once had an apple pie handed to me as a thank you and had to refuse. Had a calendar sent as thank you, had to send back. It's called bribery and corruption! This farce should stop, by some of the comments re value of gifts it's already out of hand. Schools should enforce "no presents" rule and save worry and embarrassment for some families and children.

inishowen Wed 05-Dec-18 11:15:48

My teacher daughter in law gets mugs every year as gifts. She doesn't drink tea or coffee so she wouldn't miss the mugs.

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:20:26

I think it’s very sad that giving presents to teachers has developed to such an extent - both at Christmas and end of year. However, stopping it will be very difficult and whilst a longer term aim, this thread is discussing ideas about how to redirect these gifts at Christmas to a food bank which is a lovely idea.

SueDonim Wed 05-Dec-18 11:22:54

I think it's a great idea. It's only 'virtue-signalling' if someone is claiming that they are sacrificing something themselves in order for this to happen.

A large box wrapped in Christmas paper would suffice as a collection point and children could just pop in their gift at any time. It would be anonymous and no one would need to contribute if it wasn't possible for them.

I have teacher-friends and they say that the handmade cards are what they appreciate most and that they can only use so many scented candles a year!

Patticake123 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:26:04

An excellent idea, I do hope it catches on. The teachers won’t mind, the children learn a valuable lesson about people worse off than themselves and best of all, the poor folk whom this government is failing so badly, get a chance to eat. For the fifth richest country in the 21st century, not a lot to ask!

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:30:46

To add to your list Patti I also thinks it gives poorer children a chance to be included in the giving which is a gift in itself.

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 11:35:11

Virtue signalling isn’t necessarily a perjorative term.

So I think that schools encouraging donations to food banks instead of gifts for teachers is virtue signalling, but in a good way smile

goldengirl Wed 05-Dec-18 11:36:20

I felt very uncomfortable receiving presents from children when I was teaching as I knew a lot of them had little money to spare. I think the whole thing should STOP!

pensionpat Wed 05-Dec-18 11:36:24

Gillybob. If you ask nicely, Asda might start off with a donation if their own. Do they have a Customer Champion? Tesco and Morrison’s do and they are very obliging.

Greengage Wed 05-Dec-18 11:48:55

Many years ago my husband got hold of an electric pencil sharpener which we gave to our child's primary teacher. (In those days, pencil sharpening was a major moan of teachers.)
The teacher was apparently delighted, but not enough to say thank you!

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:51:08

I think virtue signalling is always used perjoratively these days regardless of how it might have originated. Suggesting a good idea is not virtue signalling. If schools suggest this idea why not just call it setting a good thing?

This last weekend showed the most jaw dropping hypocrisy ( which is what virtue signalling often is) when some Tory MPs showed up at their local food banks to be photographed with smiling volunteers which said photographs were then shared on social media with tweets having an amazing similarity ( almost as if written by Central Office).

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:51:59

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notanan2 Wed 05-Dec-18 11:53:16

Im glad to say this business of collections bypassed me completely.

We gave gifts to the teachers who really deserved some extra appreciation and not to the others. Nobody knew either way & no pressure. Other parents dont know what you did/didnt give unless you tell them

dragonfly46 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:00:30

It is the first time I have heard the expression 'virtue signalling"!

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:01:45

It has frequently been thrown around on GN in the past and always perjoritively

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:03:56

I think this is an excellent idea. If a box is set up, say in the reception area, no-one need know whether or not a child has brought in a donation or not or what the food donation cost. A text or email could be sent suggesting this and indicating the type of donations needed at this time of year.
The children could then bring in a nice card for their teacher.

The DGD's school did this for their Harvest Festival and people brought in what they could afford - there was a table full of donated goods which all went to a local Food Bank.

My friend said she knew that many of the parents couldn't really afford the presents they sent in for her and, quite honestly, she didn't need them. Most of them she passed on for raffles for other charity causes.

notanan2 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:15:32

I think this is an excellent idea.

A food bank collection is always a good idea

But it doesnt at all serve the same purpose as teacher gifts.

We give (or the kids make) a little sonething to acknowledge those who went above and beyond for my kids. I would still want to give a token of appreciation to those individuals.

But as I said there were no collections. My kids made them a book mark or a christmas decoration etc, that sort of thing.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:16:12

I don’t like the idea of money in envelopes - i think it should be items suitable for food bank

I agree maryeliza, having money donated would also mean just one more task for the teaching staff to organise at a very busy time of the term.

Niobe Wed 05-Dec-18 12:22:59

The best gift I ever had as a teacher was a card from a parent telling me how much his son enjoyed my class and thanking me for my efforts. Teachers are professionals and want to be treated as such. They do not need gifts from their pupils.
Encouraging the children to donate to a food bank is an excellent idea.

Sarahmob Wed 05-Dec-18 12:42:56

As a semi-retired teacher I think this is a great idea. The thought behind each gift of smellies you know you’ll never use and chocolates you end up giving to neighbours with children is lovely and knowing that the same thought could help somebody else would be just as nice. My best ever ‘teacher gift’ was some wrapped up plastic animals from a child’s farm set! All they had to give and received in love.

notanan2 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:45:49

My best ever ‘teacher gift’ was some wrapped up plastic animals from a child’s farm set! All they had to give and received in love.

That's just the cutest thing Ive heard (/read) all week!

Nannapat1 Wed 05-Dec-18 12:48:14

An assumption that parents are going to buy teachers gifts! I don't approve of the letters sent out by the few parents, requesting quite large sums to buy a group gift for staff (as has happened in my DGD's school: not everyone can afford to even if they want to) Deciding to give a gift to whomever should be a personal decision, not one prompted by others.

Theoddbird Wed 05-Dec-18 12:48:33

I think it is a wonderful idea....more schools should adopt it....

MawBroon Wed 05-Dec-18 13:05:15

Excellent suggestion !

JenniferEccles Wed 05-Dec-18 13:15:18

This is such a good idea. I bet teachers feel quite uncomfortable with all the gifts they are presented with each Christmas.

A card signed by the child but with perhaps a 'thank you' message from the mother however would be very well received, as well as the food bank donation.

Let us know how you get on with your DGC school Gilly

Barmeyoldbat Wed 05-Dec-18 13:36:15

What a great idea and I am going to extend it to my 5 teenage gc by giving a big donation to the local food bank instead of Christmas presents. They have everything others have nothing.

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 13:45:02

Oh I couldn’t do that Barmy. Maybe spend less on them if necessary but I love choosing something for them.

lemongrove Wed 05-Dec-18 13:52:48

hmm sure about that Barmy?
Teenagers do have feelings you know!

I think the school’s idea is a good one, if there is a central collection point ( a huge box) where goods can be dropped in, and not have to be taken into class.
WI’s are all doing a food item/ toiletries collection this month ( all WI’s as far as I know.) Our church always does one, also a toy service where a new small toy is handed over and given to The Salvation Army to distribute.
Teachers don’t want or need 20 small boxes of chocs.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 13:56:50

I love choosing something for them.
Not sure about the choosing myself (what do they want??) but I love giving to them and they love buying or making little presents to give to us too.

They also like taking items into school and raising money for good causes too.
One doesn't preclude the other.

GabriellaG Wed 05-Dec-18 14:25:25

a learning tool?
Heaven's sake. Christmas is a fantasy affair anyway. Even if you believe in the fantasy, the story, Dec 25th was not the date that religious historians allude to as the date JC was born and giving was not part of the creed he is purported to espouse. They are both man-made fallacies.

Rosina Wed 05-Dec-18 14:41:50

I think he made a few remarks along the lines of 'What you do for the least of my people, you do for me', and also the statement about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Both would suggest that being tight fisted is not a Christian attitude. Just saying....

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:49:07

Jal mine are 8 and 4, live very close and we see them at least twice a week so it’s very easy to chose what I know they’d love.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:49:24

Gabriella
giving was not part of the creed he is purported to espouse.
Believe or not, it could be a creed by which to live:

Luke 3:10-11 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

and, of course:
“It is more blessed to give than to receive.”

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:52:00

maryeliza I know what one loves but the other one is getting to an awkward age hmm
The others are too far away to post much now, so money and mum decides.

paddyann Wed 05-Dec-18 14:57:35

the past few years my GC have made small christmas cakes as teachers gifts ,they come to me and we make the cake,I feed if for a few weeks and they come to decorate just before the end of term.The cakes are usually shared by all the staff in the staffroom and they are happy to have something homemade.They cost around £5 a cake

Our schools collect for foodbanks all year round and the Harvest service food all goes there too .The children are aware that there are many less fortunate than them in the area .The letter home for foodbank donations said they would be delighted to have some selection boxes and christmas food included and as the boxes will be going out on Christmas eve fresh fruit would be accepted .

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 14:59:56

^ as the boxes will be going out on Christmas eve fresh fruit would be accepted^
That's good; usually they won't take fresh food of any kind so I'm glad they are making an exception for Christmas.

Ilovecheese Wed 05-Dec-18 15:03:41

While I agree with the sentiment of donating to food banks, it is a kind and generous thing to do. I don't like the way we are accepting foodbanks as a normal part of our society. They should not be needed in a rich country like ours.

Asking parents to choose between a gift for the teacher or donation to a food bank could increase this sort of 'normalisation' of food banks.

On the other hand, the more donations the better, it is a tricky problem.

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 15:10:15

Atm foodbanks are part of what passes for normal in this society of ours so we have no option. And for certain Tory MPs they provide the most wonderful photo opp - what’s not to like?

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 15:23:41

It's not just in this country, though, so perhaps before the safety net of food banks people went hungry.
And more food was wasted.

Funny world.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Dec-18 15:44:58

I guess we are all old enough to remember the European butter mountain and wine lake, that was criminal.

Maggiemaybe Wed 05-Dec-18 15:48:41

Yes indeed, GrannyGravy. I signed on in the fortnight between my post-A level Summer job finishing and my college course starting. It turned out the only thing I was entitled to was a handful of butter tokens. smile

MagicWriter2016 Wed 05-Dec-18 15:49:56

Great idea if it is done in a sensitive way, so that families who may be struggling don’t feel like either a charity case or that they have to give something they can ill afford. And yes, you usually find those with the least the most generous. Maybe it’s because they empathise more easily with others in a similar position.

PECS Wed 05-Dec-18 15:54:53

Schools do regularly raise funds or collect items for charities all year round. I have been the recipient of a great variety of gifts and cards, bought and home made, over my 40plus years working in schools . I have two still in my possession. A cross stitch book mark and a small vase & card from a lovely family who were delighted that I had included Hanukah traditions in the December celebrations so that Zoe felt included. I tried to explain that it was normal for me to do so along with Divali celebrations but it had obviously meant a lot to them! My DD is also a primary school teacher and is most likely to shed a tear over kind words of appreciation in a card than another 'best teacher' mug, no matter how kindly it was meant!

I only used the phrase 'virtue signalling' because so often choices to act in a positive way are dismissed by the phrase
virtue signalling. I suspect it was a phrase invented deliberately to undermine good deeds, by mean hearted folk!

mcem Wed 05-Dec-18 16:11:48

Gabriella - unfortunately hungry families and food banks are not fallacies or fantasies.
I am sure the vast majority of teachers would gladly forego the gifts if they could see increased donations to local foodbanks.
If only we could all dismiss this awful Government -imposed crisis as fallacy!

PECS Wed 05-Dec-18 16:30:55

This trend , particularly in the private schools sector, though not exclusively, to buy gifts that are far more than a token is ridiculous. Sadly we live in an age where some people see wealth as your 'worth' rather than your actions.
I see another school in the Wirral area I think has banned the wearing of branded coats to try to stop 'poverty shaming'!
What are parents doing to youngsters so they instill in them the need to show off wealth?

silverlining48 Wed 05-Dec-18 16:32:39

At my gcs state primary there is a ‘ voluntary’ ( but oh so obligatory ) payment of £25 per child for teachers’ Christmas gifts. That’s £50 for her two small children. When they tried to ‘ get away’ with £15 they were chased up to pay the balance.
A lot of food could be purchased with that sort of money. Not sure the teachers would be prepared to forego this largesse though. Do the maths. Every year it makes me angry.

Grannybags Wed 05-Dec-18 16:39:17

silverlining that's awful! angry

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 16:55:07

That’s truly awful silver Who on earth encourages this? The staff could just stop it if they wanted - how can they live with themselves?

silverlining48 Wed 05-Dec-18 17:25:42

Indeed, it is awful. £25 x 30 in each class equals a massive gift voucher. No wonder teachers come out on last day of term smiling. it’s a very churchy church school too....

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 17:32:43

Maybe someone should write anonymously to the Bishop and point out that there are parents who can’t afford this and a story in the local paper wouldn’t be a good look?

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 17:33:39

Oh and maybe HMRC need to know

notanan2 Wed 05-Dec-18 17:36:01

I suspect it was a phrase invented deliberately to undermine good deeds, by mean hearted folk

No its not its a very real thing but it's not really applicable in this context

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 17:37:35

Let’s hope the teachers are declaring their little bonuses to Her Majesty’s Inspector of Taxes, silverlining shock
Perhaps some public spirited parent should bring this practice to HMRC’s attention!

janeainsworth Wed 05-Dec-18 17:38:23

Crossed posts maryeliza

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 17:44:24

The problem is not is that it is often used inappropriately and very unkindly and would be best not used at all

maryeliza54 Wed 05-Dec-18 18:01:52

Go on silver I double dare you - mention the tax issue as well to the Bishop ( or whoever the head honcho is) and say that you do so hope that there wouldn’t also be a NIC liability arising for both the school and the teachers because again, you know, Bish, that wouldn’t be a good look either. But a really good look would be to stop the practice forthwith and have a collection for the local food bank. Love from a friendx

Aepgirl Wed 05-Dec-18 18:20:53

Great idea. So much of what teachers are given ends up as presents for others or given to raffles, etc.

MadeInYorkshire Wed 05-Dec-18 18:36:12

Good heavens silver that is unreal! Yes the Bish needs to be told and it needs to stop! A word to the papers too, what an awful practice .... I really do wonder about 'religion' at times ....

Maggiemaybe Wed 05-Dec-18 18:39:43

£25 per child, silver? That is outrageous.

Jalima1108 Wed 05-Dec-18 18:47:28

What about bringing the matter up with the governors. There are parent governors on the board, they could be the best ones to approach.

Daisyboots Wed 05-Dec-18 19:22:59

Wow! £25 per child! A very nice bonus for some teachers them. Back in the late 70s our generous boss (not teaching) gave all the staff a fresh turkey for Christmas and the taxman said we had to pay tax on it.