A question for horsey people

There are lots of opinions about how horses should be handled, young horses are often trained without a bit and then later one is introduced.
It is possible to abuse a bit in a horses mouth by rough handling, likewise it is just as possible to abuse a nose band across a horses very sensitive face and make that sore. Neither of which is welfare friendly or likely to produce a good horse and rider combination. Western riders neck rein their horses with a very light touch and very little contact with the horses mouth or nose it all depends how the horse has been trained.
It doesn’t really matter which side you mount a horse, traditionally it is from the left and I can’t see how that would damage a horse, what will damage a horse is a badly fitted saddle and a lot of problems are caused by just that.
Just because an idea is new or innovative does not mean that it is better, some are some are not

If, when, riding, you notice a sore or tear at the corner of the horse's mouth, report it immediately. This is not normal.

Bits are far from cruel and unnecessary! Yes it is possible to abuse a bit but that purely comes down to the owner/riders knowledge and ability. Having a daughter that has ridden for 20years plus and also competed at a high level in X-country and show jumping, I can assure the use of a bit on a horse is far from cruel and certainly does not effect them in anyway when ridden properly by a rider who knows what they are doing

My DDiL and older DGD’s are horse fanatics. My eldest DGD (13) rides for some very prestigious trainers. They all use “bits” as far as I am aware . Basically what GrannyGravy said up thread.

Thank you all

Lots of ideas about how we treat horses are being challenged at present, and surely that's a good thing. Most of our practices were developed when horses were utilitarian animals, beasts of burden, modes of transport, wagers of war, commodities to be traded, and so on. Now they are creatures to serve our leisure and the attitudes that come with that are varied - still commodities to many but also friends to many others.

There are many people who are questioning the methods we use, many of whom have years of experience, many who study the physiology and psychology of horses extensively to try to bring about improvements in our treatment of them. One example is that traditional shoeing is being questioned, and many people now keep their horses barefoot because they believe it is more natural (which is undoubtedly true - no horse was born wearing shoes) and also better for their feet and legs.

The use of bits is also being questioned - because there is no getting away from the fact that they are designed to cause at least discomfort and even pain - that's how they work. Just listen to any horse person saying their horse was too strong so they tried a different (ie. stronger) bit. I agree with David that bitless bridles can be equally strong and cause pain in different areas; but different styles of these are being developed all the time in the search for more humane ways of riding horses. This raises the ultimate question. Is it ever humane to ride a horse or any animal? Do we ask them? Have they any choice? And before people say what they always say, that a horse would soon let you know if it didn't want to be ridden, I think this is where we get it wrong.

Horses are the most generous, willing, giving creatures I know. We handle them from being babies, they learn to trust us, they put up with all kinds of mistreatment and carry on trying for humans even when cruelly abused. I think we owe it to them to continually ask ourselves whether what we ask of them is too much, and whether we can work towards a more genuine partnership than simply domination of one species by another, using pain as a means of control.

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To all of those with a love of horses . You will enjoy this video and song by Willie Nelson. “Ride me Back Home”

Just a thought from a non-rider who is a bit wary of horses. Do horses ever enjoy being ridden, or is it all rather cruel?

You can tell that bits are an irritation to horses as they constantly " chew " and look as though they're trying to adjust this unnecessary irritation, poor things. I don't like seeing it at all.

I am a non rider too shysal . When I see the behaviour of the horses when my DGD’s approach them I think they crave their love and attention. The sheer adoration in their eyes is a sight to behold . Of course this is mutual . I have never once seen any of the horses my DGD’s look after, flinch or try to avoid being saddled.

One thing I do think is cruel is seeing large, heavy people on small horses that must be struggling to hold the weight. Poor things. It’s wicked.

That's lovely gillybob

Horses have to be shod to go on roads. Aeons ago there were no roads as such and horses roamed wild.
Rather like you walking on grass or soil barefoot then doing the same on gravel, concrete or tarmac.
Why do we humans wear shoes?

Horses do let you know if they don't want to be ridden. They'd throw you through the side door pretty quickly.
It can hurt ??

They have to be 'broken' though, to allow anything on their back in the first place.

Thank you, nightowl for your interesting and reasoned post. I have seen the mutual affection between my daughter and her horse and the trust that has been built up between them. As with all practices, it is right to question and explore alternatives. It was once the done thing to dock the tails of some dogs but that practice has been questioned and discredited.

MissAdventure, the term "broken" is hardly used nowadays, we use "backed".

We have had our boy since he was two yrs old, my daughter started by just spending hours with him, grooming, petting and putting his head collar on and off repeatedly. She then just started leaning over his back (whilst someone held his head collar purely for safety) gradually over many weeks she put more of her weight over his back. She was able to ride him bare back within 3 months and then with a saddle. The whole process probably took a year.

If a horse does not want to be ridden or even have a bit in its mouth it has lots of "inventive" ways of letting you know, AC and I have the scars to prove it!!!!

Broken, backed, the principle is the same.

I'm not criticising, by the way, I've just been pondering the relationship between pets and their owners lately.

I have a problem with caged birds, they were meant to fly free.

Horses are proud beautiful animals.
My favourite.

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Our beautiful boy ??

Indeed he is. Does your daughter jump, hack...or both?

She competes in ODEs, as well as X Country and Showjumping, but not at the moment as she is pregnant with her second child.

I know nothing about horses and have never ridden or had any affinity with them but I have always felt uncomfortable with the shoeing, the mouth bit that looks so uncomfortable and all the stuff that has to go on them to make it comfortable for humans Do they still use spurs ? and whips that’s seems so awful although I m assured they only flick them gently !!

I think it’s lovely that some children and adults have such wonderful relationships with horses but I think so many animals in the world are abused by using them for our gain or need

Yes Bluebelle they still use spurs, and whips and not everyone uses them gently. Spurs hurt, bits hurt, shoes mess up their feet and legs, there’s no getting away from it I’m afraid. Thank goodness there are people around who are challenging all these things.

BradfordLass I would spend some time speaking with your horse breeder acquaintance, she sounds interesting.