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Cabbie21 Sun 20-Sep-20 16:13:59

On Points of View today, a viewer expressed surprise and condemnation of Jay Blades wearing his cap indoors on The Repair Shop and also on a quiz programme, and someone else, I forget who, wearing his cap going into a “room full of ladies.” Shock , horror!
Does this bother you?
Do you know any men who still wear a hat and take it off indoors? Does it still matter?

Calendargirl Sun 20-Sep-20 16:22:00

Well, it always was accepted practice for men to remove their hats indoors. Nowadays not so.
I went to a funeral and one youngish man kept his hat on throughout the service, it was a deerstalker type of hat, not a baseball cap.
I know it makes me old fashioned, but I think a funeral in church is definitely one place where the hat should be removed.
I love it if a hat-wearing male doffs his hat to me. Makes me feel special.
🎩

Cabbie21 Sun 20-Sep-20 16:25:09

Oh yes, makes me feel specially too, but I can’t remember when anyone last doffed their hat to me, or even wore a traditional hat.

Tweedle24 Sun 20-Sep-20 16:35:21

I must admit that I find it disrespectful when I see men wearing hats indoors, particularly in restaurants. It is even more annoying when it is an older man who, when younger, would have rarely, if ever, seen a man keeping his hat on in those circumstances.

I have a vision of my father wearing a trilby always when out but, automatically removing it as he went through a door. He raised it to a funeral cortège and, Calendar Girl and Cabbie021*, always tipped it to a lady.

Scribbles Sun 20-Sep-20 16:39:25

I never understood why men were supposed to remove their hats in church but women were required to cover their heads.
To answer the original question: the only time I'm bothered by anyone wearing a hat indoors is if they're blocking my view in the cinema/theatre.

Cabbie21 Sun 20-Sep-20 16:48:42

When I was little there was a lady in church who always wore hats with a very wide brim. It was nice to hide behind her if you didn’t want to be seen.

Spangler Sun 20-Sep-20 17:12:43

There's a couple of good reasons why Mr Blades would wear a cap indoors. As protection of airborne dust and particles when he's working, but more probably it's the fact that in the hirsute department, he's somewhat challenged.

Baldness can be a very sensitive subject for some men you only have to look at how much Elton John has spent, or for that matter, the late Bruce Forsyth. Mr Blades would rather cover up with a cap than go down the hair piece route.

Calendargirl Sun 20-Sep-20 16:22:00
I know it makes me old fashioned, but I think a funeral in church is definitely one place where the hat should be removed.
Only because of tradition, if you went to a Jewish funeral where all the men covered their heads, you would accept that too.
I love it if a hat-wearing male doffs his hat to me. Makes me feel special.
This made my day, I have a small collection of hats, felt for colder months and straw for warmer, all are fedoras and I always get a smile and a thank you from a lady when I touch the brim and say, "after you."

JackyB Sun 20-Sep-20 17:13:34

It doesn't seem to come naturally to men these days. Which looks really odd when modern men are acting in period dramas. I was watching a Sherlock Holmes episode (a Jeremy Brett one) and couldn't concentrate on what they were saying because both Watson and Lestrade had their bowler hats on INDOORS but, more important, in the presence of a dead woman. Surely on both counts, any Edwardian would have removed their hat automatically.

Tweedle24 Sun 20-Sep-20 17:19:47

Scribbles I believe St Paul asked the women to cover their hair as they were admiring each other’s coiffures instead of listening to the service. I don’t think he foresaw the fancy millinery that became fashionable in later centuries.

I wonder if men’s headgear etiquette has anything to do with military custom?

kittylester Sun 20-Sep-20 17:38:15

I echo what scribbles said.

BBbevan Sun 20-Sep-20 17:38:33

I once had to ask a teenage girl, helping in our school , to take her baseball cap off in class. She had no idea that it was unacceptable. It was part of her ‘uniform’, and therefore justified. It was a bit of a struggle.

Calendargirl Sun 20-Sep-20 17:45:01

Spangler

Yes, I quite understand what you are saying about funerals. I have never been to a Jewish funeral, but I see what you mean.

paddyanne Sun 20-Sep-20 17:47:09

didn't they say a womans hair was her pride and pride must always be covered in the presence of god/in gods house.I was raised Catholic and although we wore hats to mass when we were wee once we became teenagers it was Mantillas .All the older women wore hats I still have a nice selection of mantillas some bought in mainland Europe from lovely lace .Not worn one for decades

welbeck Sun 20-Sep-20 18:03:34

i think the headgear difference reflects tradional gender roles/ status.
a woman is expected to cover her head/hair, as she is seen as an earthly creature, possible alluring/distracting to men, so must cover her head, as that physical attractiveness is the root of her value or status. still seen in some religions.
whereas a man was seen as a natural leader, and his particular role or office was often indicated by his headgear. hence military caps.
so in the presence of the big leader, ie house of g=d, he doffs his cap to shew deference to the greater, ultimate authority source.
you can still see this in prisons, where an officer entering another officer's wing may remove his cap to shew that acknowledges his fellow officer's authority in that wing. esp when conducting official visitors, he will ask permission to enter that area, even from same rank officer. it is professional courtesy.
and all to do with concepts of "headship".

Jane10 Sun 20-Sep-20 18:14:08

It just feels wrong to me to see a man wearing a hat indoors.
Actually, I'm so gorgeous that I'm aware my flowing tresses are a risk to any man who might catch sight of them. They wouldn't be able to restrain themselves. Hence I wear my large flowery bath cap at all times. wink

Scribbles Sun 20-Sep-20 18:54:42

Thanks, Tweedle and welbeck. 🧙‍♀️

Witzend Wed 23-Sep-20 09:07:32

@Jane10 😂

Furret Wed 23-Sep-20 09:12:32

We’re in the middle of a pandemic, that is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thousands are losing their lives and livelihoods. We are governed by donkeys and Trump stands a chance of being re-elected yet someone is bothered by a man wearing a hat indoors

Give me strength!

aggie Wed 23-Sep-20 09:22:41

Oh well Furret lets forget manners , traditions , whatever , and sit and moan , maybe sackcloth and ashes for the cheerful in these times?

Furret Wed 23-Sep-20 09:26:56

Manners? Tradition? It’s a hat FFS.

You want to moan about a hat.

aggie Wed 23-Sep-20 09:28:13

I must say you are a wee bitty ott , and I don’t like those initials !

Froglady Wed 23-Sep-20 09:32:50

I sometimes see men who have bald heads or not much hair and who might wear caps to hide this - Phillip Pullman comes to mind, and I do understand this.
I wonder why it was considered rude for men to wear hats indoors but not women?

eazybee Wed 23-Sep-20 09:55:58

In answer to the question: yes, it does bother me.
Old habits die hard.

Trisha57 Wed 23-Sep-20 10:49:19

Furret

We’re in the middle of a pandemic, that is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thousands are losing their lives and livelihoods. We are governed by donkeys and Trump stands a chance of being re-elected yet someone is bothered by a man wearing a hat indoors

Give me strength!

Furret there are threads on all the things you quote elsewhere on the forums. Why go to all the trouble of posting on this one just to make a derogatory remark? I'm genuinely puzzled....confused

Calendargirl Wed 23-Sep-20 11:02:37

Furret

This thread is no more irrelevant at the present time than ones I have seen recently about what top to wear with a certain skirt, Christmas preparations, certain tv programmes, leftover food etc etc.......