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a friendly chat- let's make a list of PROVEN Brexit bonuses

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biba70 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:04:07

We could number them to make it easier to discuss later. No opinions- just proven Brexit benefits- just facts.

GagaJo Mon 18-Jan-21 13:05:51

I saw this pop up and thought, what a good idea. There must be some benefits.

Ilovecheese Mon 18-Jan-21 13:11:36

The fish are happier

EllanVannin Mon 18-Jan-21 13:14:20

Too soon to know yet.

wendyann23 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:17:19

Nope, can’t think of any so far.....

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 13:19:53

Proven facts Ilovecheese. Happier fish was a matter of JRM's opinion - unless you have inside information smile

Jane10 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:21:09

Vaccine rollout quicker here than in EU thank goodness

Peasblossom Mon 18-Jan-21 13:21:18

Failed politicians can’t move on to a nice little job as an MEP?
😬

MawBe Mon 18-Jan-21 13:22:20

Alexander von Schoenburg, editor-at-large of Germany’s biggest-selling newspaper, Bild, wrote recently: “The sclerotic and sluggish EU machine has botched the roll-out of the vaccines…delays, in-fighting, national self-interest and sheer bungling bureaucracy have combined to cripple the EU’s vaccine efforts.”

Granted, only his opinion ......
Might I tentatively suggest this is an area where the U.K. has done better in going it alone?
<🦆 🦆 behind sofa >

Lucca Mon 18-Jan-21 13:22:48

PippaZ

Proven facts Ilovecheese. Happier fish was a matter of JRM's opinion - unless you have inside information smile

Sidetracking sorry but I wondered is there anyone who doesn’t think JRM is a supercilious t*#t?

nahsma Mon 18-Jan-21 13:24:33

We can have blue passports again. Oh, I forgot. We could have always had blue passports but the UK government in 1988 decided to change to burgundy. Silly me.

Alegrias1 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:26:16

I believe the fish are happier because none of the fishing boats can leave harbour to catch them, now that their access to market is so difficult.

NannyJan53 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:27:03

No, cannot think of a single benefit. All I read about is all the problems it is causing.

Smileless2012 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:28:49

The UK has certainly benefited from going it alone with vaccinations MawBe.

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 13:39:45

Jane10

Vaccine rollout quicker here than in EU thank goodness

Fake fact I believe and I also think this has been pointed out before so it is now becoming deliberately misleading fake news - isn't it?

The government has stated that the first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine will be administered in the week of 7 December. This makes it the first Western country to approve the widespread rollout of a vaccine: the US is likely to follow in a week or so, while the EU is unlikely to approve any Covid vaccine for use until the start of 2021. At a time when hundreds of people are still dying of coronavirus daily, the UK authorities’ speed in approving a vaccine could well save lives.

The UK is also better supplied with vaccines than its EU neighbours. The UK authorities have bought more vaccine doses per head of population than almost any other country in the world, with contracts signed for over five doses per Briton. Only Canada and the US have bought more. The EU’s joint procurement scheme has acquired only three doses for each European citizen.

That said, none of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

vegansrock Mon 18-Jan-21 13:39:57

Israel has done the best with vaccinations, is that because they aren’t in the EU?

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 13:42:01

MawBe

Alexander von Schoenburg, editor-at-large of Germany’s biggest-selling newspaper, Bild, wrote recently: “The sclerotic and sluggish EU machine has botched the roll-out of the vaccines…delays, in-fighting, national self-interest and sheer bungling bureaucracy have combined to cripple the EU’s vaccine efforts.”

Granted, only his opinion ......
Might I tentatively suggest this is an area where the U.K. has done better in going it alone?
<🦆 🦆 behind sofa >

Thankfully we could rely on the army, the NHS and volunteers to make this a success. I don't think it can be said to be a Brexit success as I expect we would have done it that way anyway.

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 13:43:18

Alegrias1

I believe the fish are happier because none of the fishing boats can leave harbour to catch them, now that their access to market is so difficult.

True. Bankrupting the fisherfolk could, if you look at it that way, be seen as a success for the fish. But for the country? ...

Kate54 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:43:39

Vaccines were ordered before leaving the EU.

Alegrias1 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:46:52

PippaZ

Alegrias1

I believe the fish are happier because none of the fishing boats can leave harbour to catch them, now that their access to market is so difficult.

True. Bankrupting the fisherfolk could, if you look at it that way, be seen as a success for the fish. But for the country? ...

Just for the avoidance of doubt - I don't think tied up fishing boats is a good thing. It was meant to be irony. confused

timetogo2016 Mon 18-Jan-21 13:53:15

I think we managed pretty well before we joined tha EU.
We were always sticking to the rules unlike some countries.
So we can now bend some if we wish.
I feel very positive tbh.

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 14:01:26

Kate54

Vaccines were ordered before leaving the EU.

Indeed they were Kate. None of what we have done re vaccines has been affected by being in or out of the EU so not a Brexit bonus in any way.

Nannarose Mon 18-Jan-21 14:08:13

Decisions on vaccines were always going to be made by individual health services / agencies / governments - nothing to do with the EU.
We were always going to do well because our regulatory agencies got moving fast and the reach of the NHS means we're not too tied up in bureaucracy between agencies.

Not exactly Brexit-related, but we cannot hold Israel up as an example when they have omitted some sections of their population (the Palestinians). We still have to consider our marginalised groups, but I have in the past taken vaccines and screening programmes to hard-to-reach groups and I'm sure that is in hand (if anyone has up-to-date info about the vaccination of Palestinians in Israel I'd be glad to hear it).

I'm not sure how old timetogo is, but I am 69 and throughout my childhood, my parents and their friends talked of their wish to join the Common Market / EEC as they thought it would be better for us.

PippaZ Mon 18-Jan-21 14:09:23

Alegrias1 I did get that you were being ironic. Unfortunately you could not see me have a little chuckle and talking about people going bankrupt didn't seem to lend itself to a grin. Sorry.

Alegrias1 Mon 18-Jan-21 14:10:41

PippaZ sorry!