when gender blinds us to sex

Thanks petunia I read about this last night. Priti Patel has done nothing, thus far, that I can admire her for but I'm very glad to see that she's addressed this. I've been following the Nolan reports and they're a very informative and interesting listen.

I agree with Priti Patel on this.

Thank God forcing women who have been raped or assaulted to use she in court about their attacker is further abuse of that woman.

This is good. "Most of the time it doesn't really matter how an individual identifies. Until suddenly it does matter". I totally agree petunia and TBH when it comes to the language some used by some surrounding this issue, I'm finding it more and more disturbing.

Yes it is good. I realise the figure of 436 covers a six year period but it is nevertheless very worrying. I hope this isn’t belittled and ‘put into context’ by those determined to protect the ‘rights’ of trans people at all costs. You know who you are.

There is a poll open to sign to petition that the sex of perpetrators, as well as gender, should be recorded when convicted of a sex crime.


petition.parliament.uk/petitions/590123

It's not just those crimes, child sex offenders have also been recorded as female offenders despite being in possession of full working male bodies. There was that case of a "woman" who was accessing pornographic images of children from a hospital bed. Because sexual abuse crimes are so rare amongst women even a small number of males being recorded as females skews the figures hugely.
Let's hope this thread doesn't get pulled, it's a subject that needs examining.

My word, Priti Patel has actually done something useful! I hope this will apply to all sex offenders.

In 2020, in English prisons, 74 male prisoners who identify as women were serving sentences for sex offences compared to 125 women. Of those 125 women, some may be people who may be biologically male but have a GRC as they are automatically counted as being female.

You are so right Rosie
Actually, these past couple of weeks has seen a light shine brightly into trans issues and more people are willing to speak out about their concerns. These issues do need closer scrutiny. Lets start with this cohort of rapists!

In England and Wales, almost 57% of trans-identified male inmates have been charged with at least one sex offense, compared to 17% of non-trans male inmates, and just 2% of biologically female inmates.

In 2019, Freedom of Information requests made by feminist activists revealed that at least six police forces in the UK had been recording criminals based on self-identified gender rather than sex.

Speaking to The Times after the data was received, Nicola Williams, director of Fair Play for Women, said: “You can’t get much more of a male crime than rape. It would be highly offensive to a woman who was raped to have it written down that her attacker was a female when clearly that was a male with a penis."

I really hope that, this time, the tide is turning and women's safety will no longer be sacrificed on the alter of "inclusivity for everybody, everywhere".

Well done Priti for cutting through this nonsense!

Me too GrannyGravy13.

inclusivity for everybody, everywhere & in every circumstance "

Personally I thnk our rape law needs completely revising it is old fashioned and fails to take account of some horrific attacks which can't be described as rape. The USA has revised theirs it now reads “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
I think there is a case for recording sex crimes with the sex of the offender, but I'm not sure this needs to be done for other offences. If a transwoman doesn't pay her TV licence does her sex matter?

I think in any crime sex either matters or it doesnt. So as far as I can remember women shoplift more than men, it might be important to know that in looking at the reasons for shoplifting for example. It might not as well but either the data is useful or it isnt.

Another cheer here for common sense at last.

I don’t know why the last thread was pulled, but I think it’s very bad manners to delete things like that without warning. People had put time and effort into posts, and for someone to come along and effectively rip them up is at best disrespectful and at worst downright rude.

I went for a bath and came back to find it gone. No explanation, no comments on individual posts, nothing.

It does nothing to foster good relationships between posters if nobody knows if someone complained, or why. It may also put people off bothering to make an effort with their posts if they know that they may just disappear for no obvious reason.

If GN want a site with anodyne threads considered suitable for old ladies they should say so - there are robust discussions on this topic on Mumsnet that go uncensored.

If a post is libellous or offensive in other ways, I can understand the post going. But there is no need to pull a whole thread if this is supposed to be a discussion group.

I look back with fond nostalgia to the days when the use of ‘gender’ was largely confined to the foreign language nouns I was learning - masculine, feminine and neuter.

I didn't know about this. I'm glad it's being addressed and that concerns about women's safety are being taken seriously. I do hope the tide is turning.
Thanks for petition link.

As it was me who started the thread that I now find has been closed, I am annoyed to find it closed without any notification. I had given up reading it as the same things were being repeated by the same people.

Everyone, is biologically male or female, nothing can change that. Adjustments can be made chemically and surgically, but biological sex remains unchanged.

If someone biologically male remains genitally intact. They are men and if they rape or sexually attack someone they should be prosecuted as men.

Gender is an entirely social construct. In an inclusive world it wouldn't exist as everyone could dress, act, identifiy with whoever they like. Only biological sex is immutable.

I am in complete agreement with PP on this issue

Chewbacca

In 2020, in English prisons, 74 male prisoners who identify as women were serving sentences for sex offences compared to 125 women. Of those 125 women, some may be people who may be biologically male but have a GRC as they are automatically counted as being female.

Please can you translate "GRC"? My Googling produced "Governance, Risk and Compliance", which leaves me baffled. The subject matter of this thread is an area I admit to understand only superficially so enlightenment would be much appreciated.

I think some of you may find this interesting

More women are sent to prison to serve a sentence for theft than for violence against the person, robbery, sexual offences, drugs, and motoring offences combined

Women in prison are highly likely to be victims as well as offenders. Over half the women in prison report having suffered domestic violence with 53% of women reporting having experienced emotional, physical or sexual abuse as a child.

If you read deeper into why women commit crime, many have been abused even as children. They have suffered complex traumas that really need to be dealt with effectively before they commit any crimes. It is also a sad fact that prison might actually be a place of safety

Sorry I have done that thing where I have wandered off topic but I thought it was ludicrous in the first place they were being recorded as women, so it is a good change but it's interesting what you have posted trisher regarding classification in US