Vaccination misinformation

I think people are just really hopeful.

No one wants to believe this could be a full on game changer for how we live.

Yes, I agree with Summerlove, I think people are being optimistic. I think there’ll be a vaccine in time. I really hope so anyway.

I do hope so. I've practically kidnapped my vulnerable parents and locked them down way before Boris et al decided to. I'm hoping a vaccine will release us all from this so we can have some normality

Giving people hope (or whatever you like to call it) is cruel. It's a distraction from what is really needed, which is stopping transmission by draconian methods, if it upsets people. May7 Your vulnerable parents wouldn't need locking away if other people weren't so downright selfish. Management of this crisis has been political all along. That's why there's been so much lying and lack of transparency.

growstuff

Giving people hope (or whatever you like to call it) is cruel. It's a distraction from what is really needed, which is stopping transmission by draconian methods, if it upsets people. May7 Your vulnerable parents wouldn't need locking away if other people weren't so downright selfish. Management of this crisis has been political all along. That's why there's been so much lying and lack of transparency.

I would agree with most of this.

The common cold is a Coronavirus. We won’t have a vaccine for it.

I understand being hopeful, I am, though I’ll wait to get the vaccine. However I don’t expect to get one before a few years, if ever. I honestly think we need to adjust how we interact.

CV is the same virus as the common cold which has never had a vaccine I don’t think there will be one for this either
I m certainly not waiting for it, neither do I think life is worth living if we are going to hide away in our houses, never hug anyone again never go to a festival, theatre, cinema it doesn’t bear thinking about
The best we can hope for is medication that can turn this virus from a killer to a manageable illness and we need to learn much more about it and it’s reasons why some are able to manage it as a brief flu and others are floored or killed by it that’s where the money should be put into research of reasons

Life with this hanging over our heads is no life so I personally feel we have to get on with life in the same way as we did before we had flu, and pneumonia Jabs those two have been killIng thousands all over the world every year for ever
Life is about chances

If we look after ourselves work on Obesity and fitness levels and stop being the fatness nation in Europe we might have more of a chance We are a very unfit nation

I'm not very optimistic about a vaccine or a cure. I think we'll have to learn to live with it, with possible lockdowns when and where there are flare ups. Distancing in public places and of course hand washing to become the new normal.

Bluebelle CV is the same virus as the common cold which has never had a vaccine
Not true. Some colds are caused by coronaviruses (not Covid-19), some are caused by rhinoviruses and there are other sorts too. That’s why there isn’t a vaccine.

I have been doing the Covid-symptom tracker study. Yesterday I was asked if I’d like to register to be part of a study into vaccination.
I have hope that an effective vaccine will be a reality in the future.

Hope for the future

The government needs to have a strategy for a Zero Covid UK.

Yesterday 147 new deaths were reported on England, 1 in Wales and 0 in Scotland and NI.

Hopefully, it's a temporary blip, but if this continues, the government needs to get a grip and the population needs to be prepared for the long haul.

If we're not going to adopt a Zero Covid UK, the government needs to state very clearly and honestly what its strategy is.

There's highly unlikely to be a vaccine in the foreseeable future, treatments are improving slightly but only marginally and the health of the nation needs to be a long-term objective, but we're not likely to see any results for at least a decade.

We need to stop transmission. There is no other way, unless we want to accept the inevitably of unnecessary deaths and long-term side effects.

There is interesting research being done however.
A Prof Peter Openshaw, who sits on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies’ clinical information group, has recently said that biotech therapies ­being trialled were potentially “very exciting” treatments.
The drugs, known as monoclonal ­antibodies, are based on antibodies produced by people who have recovered from coronavirus, and are the first potential new medicines specifically designed to attack the virus.
Unlike drugs such as the steroid dexamethasone, monoclonal antibodies have been specifically designed to attack the virus, and can be given to patients much earlier in the course of it.

Paw was treated with a monoclonal antibody therapy (Rituximab) when he developed a form of Lymphoma PTLSD back in 2008. It was very successful and I had not appreciated at the time that it might have been experimental, just that it was very new.
As I see it, one of the principal benefits of the “breathing space” which lockdown has given us, is the time to develop both therapies and approaches to the treatment of the disease.
If a vaccine can be developed too, so much the better.
I know from NHS and scientific contacts that much is going on in the background - quietly though, to avoid misleading banner headlines in the media.

janeainsworth

Bluebelle CV is the same virus as the common cold which has never had a vaccine
Not true. Some colds are caused by coronaviruses (not Covid-19), some are caused by rhinoviruses and there are other sorts too. That’s why there isn’t a vaccine.

I have been doing the Covid-symptom tracker study. Yesterday I was asked if I’d like to register to be part of a study into vaccination.
I have hope that an effective vaccine will be a reality in the future.

From what I've heard and read, there will not be an effective vaccine for many months or even years (if ever). One of my Facebook friends is actively working on a vaccine, in co-operation with Oxford Uni. There are some preliminary trials, but they don't know what the results will be and, even if they work, they are still ages away from mass vaccination.

Sorry, but I can't share your optimism. There needs to be an alternative strategy.

But Maw if the death rates continue rising, we won't have "breathing space". We need to stamp down on transmission.

I agree about stamping down on transmission, but is that feasible in the long term? We saw too many cases of infringements (to put it politely)
Out of interest, have you looked at Sweden?
Last week, a study suggested that 30 per cent of Swedes have built up immunity to the virus. It would help explain why Covid-19 has been fizzling out in Sweden. If a measure of herd immunity also helps them avoid the second wave, Sweden’s take-it-on-the-chin approach will be vindicated.
Not going into lockdown was described as “a mad experiment” by many here but also including Swedes such as Marcus Carlsson of Lund University in March and a Dr Cecilia Söderberg-Nauclér of Sweden’s Karolinska Institute who accused their government of “leading us to catastrophe”. Every model predicted an exponential rise in infections.
With half of humanity living under lockdown, photos of Swedes socialising in bars and restaurants seemed like communiqués from another dimension.
Aside from a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, life carried on as normal. Children aged under 16 went to school. No one wore a mask. This, surely, was the calm before a terrible storm.
However, the catastrophe never arrived. As in most other European countries, Sweden saw a peak in Covid-19 deaths in the first half of April, followed by a steady decline. Shown on a graph, the pattern of mortality is indistinguishable from that of many countries that locked down Its daily death toll rarely exceeded double figures and has been below 30 since mid-June. As in Britain, half the deaths were in care homes and two thirds of those who died were aged 80 or over.
The only thing I am reasonably sure of is that there no one single way to dealing with this pandemic. We started in the dark, to use the Scottish term, “bogling “ and there has been much trial and error along the way perhaps with the emphasis on “error”.

The latest Indie SAGE Report:

www.independentsage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/A-Better-Way-To-Go-FINAL-proof-copy-1.pdf

Maw Scotland seems to have achieved much lower transmission rates than England. There were no reported deaths in Scotland yesterday and the 7 day rolling average is very low.

Yes, zero transmission (or as near as damn it - one case per million) is achievable, but there needs to be a commitment and strategic planning.

The only people who advocate no restrictions also accept high death rates for the most vulnerable. Maybe it's a form of social Darwinism .

PS. In England last week, there were more reported cases of Covid-19 in education settings than in care homes. Another disaster waiting to happen? Or brushed aside for political reasons?

PS. Even the herd immunity theory is suspect. Serology tests in France and Spain have shown that only 5% of the population has immunity, even in areas which were/are hotspots.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31483-5/fulltext

That study showing 5% with antibodies growstuff conflicts with the more recent one which shows that in some areas of New York 68% of the population have antibodies (and therefore "possible" immunity).
One of them surely is incorrect!

I do not think it is a "fairy tale" - respected British scientists are working on it, and have reported on it. But I do not think it is going to happen soon.

Actually, there are effective vaccines for some animal coronavirus DS: see www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/human-coronavirus-229e

Just a couple of observations on the Swedish approach.

It has a, population of 10 million in a 10 million square kilometre country. Stockholm has just under a million people living there. Many Swedes at this time of the year are living in quite isolated Summer houses. The potential for spread is low.

They also have a fairly phlegmatic approach to risk. My infant school was visited by a delegation from Sweden. They were puzzled to see staff out in the playground with the children. For why? they asked.
To keep them safe.
But the playground is safe.
But what if a child had an accident?
Then we would send them to hospital.
But there could be legal action.
Accidents happen.

It was so matter of fact.

Esspee I agree that different studies seem to show different things.
This is taken from Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s blog, though actually written by a guest contributor.
“there is a significant level of immunity to Covid19 already present in the population. We had another clue to this fact early in the pandemic with outbreaks on two ships, the cruise ship Diamond Princess, and the US aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt. Both occurred before people took protective measures, and it can be argued that the close quarters of shipboard life are ideal for the transmission of the disease. On both ships, everybody was tested for Covid19. Results were remarkably similar. On both ships, 17 percent of the people tested positive for the virus, and of those, 50 percent were asymptomatic. It looks like 83 percent of the shipboard populations were immune to the virus. Why?”
It seems there is a great deal that we, and the scientists don’t yet know for certain. But it seems that Vitamin D plays an important role in what is described as our ‘innate immunity’ as opposed to our acquired (antibody) immunity.
Links to Dr Kendrick’s blog for anyone who’s interested
drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/07/11/replies-to-the-vitamin-d-article-by-the-guest-contributor
drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/07/09/here-is-a-coronavirus-puzzle-for-you-to-ponder-a-guest-article