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Student and Christmas

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Franbern Sun 27-Sep-20 12:53:13

Of all the (very many) silly, unscientific, frightening, bad decisions taken by the UK government, over the past few months and all their many u-turns, etc. I think the worst and most stupid and unthought out one is the idea that tens of thousands of student will not be permitted to return to their families at christmas this year.

I do not imagine then any of the Uni towns and cities, or their police forces want to have thousands of unhappy, frustrated, home-sick and bored young people rampaging around during the festive season.

Surely, any of their families that contains a vulnerable person will ensure that they are well protected, but they will want their young people back home for that 10- 14 days.

Do think that someone made this statement without any real thought (about right for this government) without any real thought about what they were actually saying - and now their PR teams are waiting the right moment to say they have changed their minds (again).

TheFrugalPiggy Sun 27-Sep-20 12:58:50

A fine example of "Do what your told or else". Nothing more than threats and intimidation but I don't put anything past this government now.

EllanVannin Sun 27-Sep-20 13:05:30

Spread it around why don't they ? shock

GrannyGravy13 Sun 27-Sep-20 13:10:18

I am happy to be corrected but I understood that it was Nicola Sturgeons plan to keep students in Scottish Universities of Christmas.

I have not heard anything regarding English, Welsh or Irish Universities as of yet.

Chewbacca Sun 27-Sep-20 13:17:17

That's what I thought too GrannyGravy. Has there been a recent announcement that it will be for England and Wales too?

Nannan2 Sun 27-Sep-20 13:23:35

See, again with the DIFFERENT BLOODY RULES for 4 countries which are supposed to be a 'UNITED KINGDOM' - When are we going to be 'United' then?we should have one leader(presumably, Her Majesty?) and ONE blinking government- with one leader for that too! And ONE SET OF RULES for all 4 nations.! (I also dont see why Northern and Southern Ireland need to be different either- should all be Ireland.its all bloody insane. We should all have same benefits& same Laws too. Its stupid calling us UK when we're not united at all! 🤬

Nannan2 Sun 27-Sep-20 13:26:47

And how does Nicola Sturgeon plan on doing that exactly without actually putting them under house arrest? I did think she spoke a lot of sense, but NOT in that particular idea.What happened to FREEDOM?

Nannan2 Sun 27-Sep-20 13:30:15

Surely an early break for holidays so they can isolate at home would be better? Or even isolate them in unis two days while they have a covid test first? Before they return home.Maybe Boris's stupidity has rubbed off on her?

growstuff Sun 27-Sep-20 13:32:38

Chewbacca

That's what I thought too GrannyGravy. Has there been a recent announcement that it will be for England and Wales too?

Matt Hancock was asked and wouldn't rule it out.

Apparently, the emergency Covid Act allows for people to be confined legally to their home.

Daisymae Sun 27-Sep-20 13:33:31

Exactly, if tests were freely available there's a chance of containing it. But as things are if students dispersed in time for Christmas then it could be a disaster.

Illte Sun 27-Sep-20 13:36:17

Eire (Southern Ireland?) will set its own laws, and guidance, like other nations.

Nothing to do with the United Kingdom.

trisher Sun 27-Sep-20 13:39:51

Perhaps what students should do is party like mad for the first few weeks and hope they get the virus. Then restrict their social actions for the last 2 weeks of term so that they can go home knowing they are unlikely to be carrying or spreading anything.

westendgirl Sun 27-Sep-20 13:47:00

~Comes back to adequate testing yet again. They had the summer to get this working and surely should have been prepared. Heaven help us if Dido Harding gets the top job at NHS, which was mooted last week.Doodahs and breweries comes to mind .

MrsEggy Sun 27-Sep-20 15:31:37

Some posters seem to think that "students" are some sort of alien race. Two of them are my grandchildren and I am as concerned for their welfare as some of you are for toddlers.
I'm sure their parents will want them home for Christmas and after the first year most students are in independent rentals, not "halls" and couldn't be detained in numerous houses across a city?

M0nica Sun 27-Sep-20 15:44:17

There is a simple solution. End term a full fortnight before Christmas. Test each student before they go home. Those witha negative test result go home, those with a positive test, do their, up to two weeks, quarantine, are retested and all being well, go home. Special arrangements can be made for the handful locked down for Christmas to be together and have a happy and festive Christmas eve - boxing day.

Alegrias Sun 27-Sep-20 15:48:35

GrannyGravy13

I am happy to be corrected but I understood that it was Nicola Sturgeons plan to keep students in Scottish Universities of Christmas.

I have not heard anything regarding English, Welsh or Irish Universities as of yet.

I'll correct you then GrannyGravy13. Nicola Sturgeon doesn't have a "plan" to keep students in Scottish Universities at Christmas. She's not the Grinch who Stole Christmas. It was Hancock who said it in response to some questioning on TV.

Maybe this is a good example of why people should listen to the briefings and not believe everything they read in the press.

AGAA4 Sun 27-Sep-20 15:52:08

Students are not having a great time. The debacle over their 'A' level results and now some are locked in their rooms at university. To give them even more grief they may not be allowed to go home at Christmas.
Some are blaming them for the rise in cases of Covid but it was already rising rapidly before they arrived at their universities.

SueDonim Sun 27-Sep-20 16:09:55

Scottish students have been banned from going home right now let alone at Christmas!

Why are they being treated differently from everyone else? I feel so sorry for them, especially the ones who are struggling. In Scotland, some are only 17yo. sad

Alegrias Sun 27-Sep-20 16:12:00

Erm.....Manchester Metropolitan University?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54289648

GrannyGravy13 Sun 27-Sep-20 16:17:02

Thank you Alegrias as Education in Scotland is a devolved issue surely it is down to Scottish Parliament to implement guidelines/laws regarding students and COVID-19.

NS has asked students not to go out socialising in Glasgow and Edinburg this weekend, so ultimately the decision regarding Christmas will be hers to make?

Matt Hancock can only decide for England surely? It will be the Welsh first Minister and the N.I. first Minister who will make the decisions for their Countries?

Alegrias Sun 27-Sep-20 16:22:12

Yes, I agree with you on all of that GrannyGravy13

My post was to clarify that it wasn't NS who made the comment about Christmas, it was Hancock. A journalist asked NS about it at a briefing and she answered along the lines that Christmas was 3 months away and the decisions would be taken later. People keep saying how good she is at spin/presenting/communicating (choose your favourite - I like communicating smile) and I think this is a good example.

AGAA4 Sun 27-Sep-20 16:23:16

Students at Manchester Metropolitan University have put a notice in their window. HMP -MMU
They are being treated like prisoners.

Toadinthehole Sun 27-Sep-20 17:04:49

I said this on the other uni thread, I know it’s too late now...but why has ANYONE gone to uni this year? Couldn’t they have waited. All universities should have been shut. On line business only. We’re surrounded by students in our uni City. It’s only a matter of time before everything goes belly up, and we’ll be Covid city too😡

growstuff Sun 27-Sep-20 18:05:53

Toadinthehole For students who had already started a course, it was made very difficult to defer.

I worked with two students last year towards A levels/IB (which, of course, didn't take place) and asked the same question.

Firstly, I don't think they realised what the situation would be. They live in low risk areas in fairly closeted environments at home. The universities promised safe environments.

Secondly, after the debacle of results, prospective students were relieved to have grades and offers and universities wouldn't guarantee the same grade offers to deferred entries.

Thirdly, casual work of the sort students usually do has dried up, certainly in this area. If the students are living with parents, they would not be eligible for Universal Credit and would have to live off their parents.

Fourthly, don't forget that the government has been telling everybody that everything would be OK - that our world beating test and trace system would take care of everything and, yes, of course the government knew what it was doing (ha ha). Its whole rhetoric was about getting things back to normal - we can take it on the chin, we're Brits! Some people wanted to believe all the nonsense and some actually did believe it!

Atqui Sun 27-Sep-20 18:07:42

The trouble with relying on positive tests is that nothing shows up for anyone incubating the virus does it? Quarantine for two weeks before coming home might work , as someone suggested , but hey ho , they will probably all have had it by Christmas anyway.