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Vaccine for international travel?

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GagaJo Thu 14-Jan-21 07:32:27

I think it is a great idea. Maybe a vaccine AND a covid test (covid test required now where I am AND for the UK I think). It would require everyone to have access to the vaccine of course.

Requiring everyone who wishes to go overseas to have been vaccinated against Covid-19 is a path towards discrimination, according to the head of the World Travel and Tourism Council.

Gloria Guevara, chief executive of the industry body, criticised the approach by Australian airline Qantas, whose boss, Alan Joyce, suggested passengers would need a jab before they can board one of its international services.

“We should never require the vaccination to get a job or to travel,” she said. “I totally disagree with the approach from Qantas. If you require the vaccination before travel, that takes us to discrimination.”

The chief executive of AirAsia, Tony Fernandes, supported Guevara, and added that global testing measures are the way to unlock travel.

However, according to a survey conducted by Qantas, 87 per cent of respondents said they would be happy to take the coronavirus vaccine if it was demanded for international travel, while 85 per cent thought it should be required for travel to “at least some countries”.

A 2020 report by the Ada Lovelace Institute, an independent research body, stated that the introduction of ‘vaccine passports’ could “pose extremely high risks in terms of social cohesion, discrimination, exclusion and vulnerability.”

uk.news.yahoo.com/travel-latest-news-mandatory-vaccine-081612096.html

Fennel Thu 14-Jan-21 16:08:32

It sounds good in theory, but in practice would add extra expense to the journey. Especially when you probably need 14 days in a quarantine 'hotel' at the other end.
Our Romanian cleaning lady had booked flights back 'home' for her and her 2 young children. The children are thoroughly miserable here and she was going to take them back to live with her parents. But was refused at the airport - no prior tests. I had warned her they would have to go into quarantine in Romania but she either didn't understand or didn't want to believe.
She had borrowed £300 to pay for those flights.
If vaccine was necessary too, I can't imagine it would be free.

growstuff Thu 14-Jan-21 16:13:57

Any country which relies on vaccines and negative tests alone is asking for trouble, considering that vaccines don't have 100% efficacy and haven't been proved to stop transmission and lateral flow tests have also been shown to be inaccurate, in some cases with 50% false negatives.

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 16:15:33

So anyone who booked a holiday could jump the queue and buy a vaccine? hmm Would that be fair?

GagaJo Thu 14-Jan-21 16:24:15

No. Vaccines given by whichever authority provides them. I didn't think anywhere was charging for them.

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 17:04:52

So book a holiday and get access to a free vaccine? That would be even worse!

Esspee Thu 14-Jan-21 17:55:00

Nobody was suggesting anyone skips the queue.

Personally I don’t think it unreasonable for an airline to insist on a vaccine certificate and a COVID test. It would allow people to feel confident enough to travel.

GagaJo Thu 14-Jan-21 18:42:27

Exactly Esspee. I probably won't get my vaccine until May / June and have been stuck overseas. But it would make total sense to do both.

One of my students went home to Ecuador over Christmas and had a covid test each time.

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 19:03:01

But if no one jumps the vaccination queue, how will it work? Who’s going to fly the planes and crew the ferries for the lucky oldies jetting off on holiday, or carry out vital overseas business in the long months before the under 65s are vaccinated?

petra Thu 14-Jan-21 19:13:44

If you've got the money you can fly to Dubai on a private jet and get vaccinated. The flight and the vaccine are a package.

Pantglas2 Thu 14-Jan-21 19:19:12

Maggiemaybe

But if no one jumps the vaccination queue, how will it work? Who’s going to fly the planes and crew the ferries for the lucky oldies jetting off on holiday, or carry out vital overseas business in the long months before the under 65s are vaccinated?

The very same people who’ve been doing it safely for the last 10 months......how many flight crew have been hit with the virus?

I suspect it’s the safest form of travel, or we’d never have heard the end of it from their unions!

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 19:28:00

If only those people who’ve been vaccinated are allowed to travel overseas, Pantglas2, very few of the very same people who’ve been doing it safely for the last 10 months would be allowed on board.

paddyanne Thu 14-Jan-21 19:41:29

My SIL travels abroad to work,he has to be tested every 5 days and he's tested again when he lands at his destination.He still has to isolate when he comes home .The people he works with are kept in a bubble so no outsiders in contact with them during travel or work .

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 19:51:15

It sounds as though he and his colleagues have solid procedures in place, paddyanne. How would they be affected if they couldn’t travel without a vaccination certificate?

Pantglas2 Thu 14-Jan-21 19:52:53

Maggiemaybe

If only those people who’ve been vaccinated are allowed to travel overseas, Pantglas2, very few of the very same people who’ve been doing it safely for the last 10 months would be allowed on board.

Using your argument, no supermarket would ever open!

Workers, vaccinated or not, are expected to go to work in a safe environment (and they are safe IMO) if they cannot work from home.

paddyanne Thu 14-Jan-21 19:54:25

they dont have vaccination certificates just test results

GagaJo Thu 14-Jan-21 19:55:11

Sounds as if he would be in the chartered jet to Dubai for a vaccination category paddyanne.

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 20:12:42

Pantglas, this thread is about the idea that people should have to prove they’ve been vaccinated before they travel abroad.

I’ve been arguing against the idea and trying to point out that it is unworkable!

Why are you disputing my every post when you seem to feel the same way?

Maggiemaybe Thu 14-Jan-21 20:14:17

I give up, I’ve got a quiz to take part in. grin

GrannyGravy13 Thu 14-Jan-21 20:15:29

The one problem with having to prove you have had the Covid-19 inoculation is at the present time it is unavailable to buy for any reason.

Whether that changes in the coming months is debatable?

Pantglas2 Thu 14-Jan-21 20:28:41

You asked ‘who’s going to fly the planes...’ and I simply pointed out that it would be exactly the same people that are flying them now...... 🤷‍♀️

GagaJo Thu 14-Jan-21 21:47:47

I didn't know WHERE to put this, but thought it was funny and kind of fitted in here.

Callistemon Thu 14-Jan-21 22:12:46

I expect to wait until I have had both vaccines before I book a flight anywhere. I hope that all other passengers will have had the vaccine too.

It seems sensible to me.

GagaJo Thu 14-Jan-21 22:14:57

Lets hope for the passport stamps. I filled in the documentation here to be added to the list. I would prefer not to fly until I have been vaccinated BUT I really want to go home to see family.

Callistemon Thu 14-Jan-21 22:16:28

petra

If you've got the money you can fly to Dubai on a private jet and get vaccinated. The flight and the vaccine are a package.

You can't board a flight to, transit at the airport or exit at Dubai without a certificate to prove you have had a negative Covid test.
A friend was not allowed on a flight to Dubai because he didn't have a certificate, just a text message to say he was Covid-free.

This was a few months ago before the vaccines.