Is it just me who is terrified of the way this country and the whole world is turning out

There's nothing sinister going on . This type of thing has happened before in public health. In the 1950s there were polio outbreaks and the city I lived in was the first in the country to introduce the new oral vaccine in 1961. The whole of the city's population were vaccinated within a few days. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/how-heroic-mass-vaccination-programme-saved-children-hull-paralysis-explosive-polio-outbreak-1961-3038681
We have been very lucky that most illnesses now are controlled, but there have been epidemics in the past and people complied with vaccination rules. Have your jab, it will give you and the people you work with some protection.

trisher

There's nothing sinister going on . This type of thing has happened before in public health. In the 1950s there were polio outbreaks and the city I lived in was the first in the country to introduce the new oral vaccine in 1961. The whole of the city's population were vaccinated within a few days. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/how-heroic-mass-vaccination-programme-saved-children-hull-paralysis-explosive-polio-outbreak-1961-3038681
We have been very lucky that most illnesses now are controlled, but there have been epidemics in the past and people complied with vaccination rules. Have your jab, it will give you and the people you work with some protection.

But I don't want to have it. Surely I have a right to choose what I want in my body, not the government? (I don't mean this in a nasty way by the way! Sorry if it came across like that) x

The same David Icke who said he was the son of the godhead and predicted the world would end in 1997!

He is a conspiracy theorist who makes lots of unfounded predictions. A very dangerous man. Be very careful about believing anything he says.

Yes the world does feel very unsafe and actually unpredictable at present. I have had two vaccinations not just for me but for everyone else. It does not give full protection but your chances of survival and without nasty side effects are dramatically increased. It can reduce transmission because the viral load is reduced.

I know someone in their 50’s and overweight who had both jabs but still caught covid and was very ill at home for about a week but is now fully recovered. Without the vaccination it probably would have meant hospitalisation or even ventilator and possible death.

There are many unvaccinated people seriously ill and dying who were covid deniers saying how they wish they had been vaccinated. It is your choice whether to be vaccinated or not but please be very careful about listening and believing someone like David Icke.

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I don't want to have Covid. Surely I have a right to choose not to be infected?

Can't you see the conflict there between people's rights? In the end, the right not to die has to come before the right to refuse a vaccine that has been rigorously tested for safety, surely? And nobody is saying that you have to have it - just that if you want to mix in places where a lot of people gather you should respect their rights.

Take heed of 25Avalon that's what I would say too.

doodledog yes, yes, yes, over and over! Just for once, let’s really think about others in the society in which we live and silence the conspiracy theorists.

Do you not have friends or family to chat to? You seem to be getting things out of proportion. I have a very good friend who is "anti vax" but I asked if he thought it was a good thing when it's against, for example, smallpox or polio and he backed down a bit. When parents refused to let their child have the MMR injection, a breakout of measles (which can be serious) followed as night follows day. David Icke thinks we are really all lizards so probably not the best person to listen to. hmm

David Icke is also a racist.

Doodledog

I don't want to have Covid. Surely I have a right to choose not to be infected?

Can't you see the conflict there between people's rights? In the end, the right not to die has to come before the right to refuse a vaccine that has been rigorously tested for safety, surely? And nobody is saying that you have to have it - just that if you want to mix in places where a lot of people gather you should respect their rights.

This - in a nutshell.

It is a very difficult subject. And the right of individuals and the protection of others, is often a hard balance.

Look at the MMR debacle. To be effective, any vaccination programme has to have a significant proportion of take up- 70% minimum, and up to 90% for best cover. So if all those individuals want to use their freedom not to be vaccinated- they put the whole population at risk, less for vaccinated persons, more for others ... Do you still visit people who are vulnerable, Your grand-parents, for instance?

What about your freedom not to wear a seat belt, or stop at traffic lights? You have the right not to - but then don't get in a car- or it will be very dangerous for others.

You have the right to refuse- but it has consequences. And this even more if you work as carer of any kind for elderly or other vulnerable people.

I understand what you are all saying but I still think it is wrong to mandate vaccines. I've no idea why my post has been reported for?

There have been panics and feelings of doom in every generation, it is nothing new. And yet the world survives.
There is nothing sinister going on.
The only way forward out of this corona virus pandemic is for the whole population to be vaccinated. It is a great pity that you feel differently. You are putting yourself, and others, at risk. If you insist that it is your right, then you should surely stay away from people and all those places which you wish to go to.
David Icke is not worth listening to.

I'm not against vaccines ive had majority of mine but this is still on trial until 2023 and people are already getting severe side effects from a virus that's 99 percent survival rate. This is just my view on it and I still adhere to the rules, I wear masks and ppe, and I don't socialise with anyone except my family any way because I don't see or know anyone x

Itsawelshthing I reported is as Icke is, amongst other things, a racist.

Sorry I mean they're getting more severe side effects from a vaccine but the virus has a 99percent survival rate. It doesn't stop transmission, and covid continues to mutate which probably makes the vaccine useless.

Jaxjacky

Itsawelshthing I reported is as Icke is, amongst other things, a racist.

OK then.

Itsawelshthing you say you are 'almost 30,' I thought this site was for over 50s, at least.........have you posted on mumsnet too? why would you want to post on a gransnet site....

Itsawelshthing

I understand what you are all saying but I still think it is wrong to mandate vaccines. I've no idea why my post has been reported for?

I have no idea why you were reported either...it’s your choice to have or not have the vaccine.It isn’t mandated, except for certain jobs ( like yours) to protect you and vulnerable people.
You can also choose to leave and get another job that doesn’t involve care homes.
Governments have to bring in certain things that curtail personal liberties at times.This is one of them.

''NHS workers have condemned a "vile" speech in which doctors and nurses were threatened during a rally protesting coronavirus vaccinations.

Thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square for Saturday’s event.

A video has been circulating on social media showing a speaker at the event, understood to be former nurse Kate Shemirani, making threats to NHS doctors and nurses.''

No one is forcing you to have the vaccine. You have free choice. You may not be able to continue in care work but that is the price you will have to pay. The people you are caring for deserve the very best protection and the vaccination is part of that. There is no government plot, just concern that the most vulnerable should have the best protection.

lemsip

Itsawelshthing you say you are 'almost 30,' I thought this site was for over 50s, at least.........have you posted on mumsnet too? why would you want to post on a gransnet site....

I prefer gransnet. I know I am too young but I like how kind everyone is on here. Silly I know! Before this gets taken down I am sorry if I've trod on anyone's toes. I am just feeling overwhelmed by it all and I've nobody else to talk to about it. I don't mean to come across that covid is not serious because I know it is and it can be. I am one who likes to live a very simple life but it just doesn't seem to be like that at the min. Sorry again if I've offended anyone on here it was not my intention to do that xx

I fully support the right to choose whether to have the vaccine or not. However, you are not free from the consequences of that decision. My belief in your line of work is that you should be able to keep working as long as your vaccination status is disclosed to every client before you work with them, and they get the choice whether they are happy with you caring for them. That way everyone involved gets to make personal choices. Yes, that may leave you short on work but those you care for also need to be able to choose what they are comfortable with.

Itsawelshthing

trisher

There's nothing sinister going on . This type of thing has happened before in public health. In the 1950s there were polio outbreaks and the city I lived in was the first in the country to introduce the new oral vaccine in 1961. The whole of the city's population were vaccinated within a few days. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/how-heroic-mass-vaccination-programme-saved-children-hull-paralysis-explosive-polio-outbreak-1961-3038681
We have been very lucky that most illnesses now are controlled, but there have been epidemics in the past and people complied with vaccination rules. Have your jab, it will give you and the people you work with some protection.

But I don't want to have it. Surely I have a right to choose what I want in my body, not the government? (I don't mean this in a nasty way by the way! Sorry if it came across like that) x

So don't have it if you don't want it - but remember that other people don't want to be near you as it is possible that you have caught it and could pass it on to them so you will have to keep even further away from everyone than you would have had to if you had been vaccinated.

Have you ever travelled to a country where Yellow Fever is endemic? You would have had to have protection against it - not just for yourself, but so that you couldn't bring it into your own country when you returned.

Were you protected against German Measles before you got pregnant? Without it, you would have risked serious damage to your unborn baby, so rubella immunisation is now routine for young women.

Have you seen accounts by people who were in iron lungs before polio vaccine was commonplace? Photos of smallpox patients?
www.thejournal.ie/readme/what-is-life-like-for-a-polio-survivor-3128107-Dec2016/
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Child_with_Smallpox_Bangladesh.jpg/225px-Child_with_Smallpox_Bangladesh.jpg
www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/smallpox-and-the-long-road-to-eradication

It isn't all about what you want or don't want. You have the choice, but with that choice comes the responsibility to choose well, and if you choose not to take the route which best protects you and others then you have to take alternative steps to compensate. Are you willing to do that, or do you plan to just carry on regardless?

Jaxjacky

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Heavy handed Jax
David Icke is many things, but is not being quoted on here, nor is there anything racist in the OP.
The ‘thought police’ may be round the corner, but not here yet.