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Are you worried?

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GabriellaG54 Fri 12-Jul-19 01:29:16

Maybe you should be.
Having watched the BBC2 programme on BSE in which herbivores (cows) were fed dead animals (some of which had BSE) in order to bulk them up, I have grave doubts about the origins of our meat and the checks and balances presumed to be in place to prevent it ever happening again.
Would you be prepared to give up meat in it's entirety?

kittylester Fri 12-Jul-19 06:48:47

No! Just buy from a butcher who can trace his meat back to source and knows the farmer and his practices.

M0nica Fri 12-Jul-19 07:17:37

No, I buy organic, or very close to organic meat from my local butcher/producer. His farm is a few miles from us and he vets any other prducers he buys from very carefully

The causes of BSE have been known for several decades now and while we can never say never on anything, I do not think the risk is any higher than any other food. Some years ago a fatal outbreak of E. Colli was traced back to a batch of lettuce. Does that mean we should never eat lettuce again?

Bellasnana Fri 12-Jul-19 07:24:00

Haven’t eaten meat for fifteen years and have never been tempted to eat it since.

Johno Fri 12-Jul-19 07:29:31

We try the vegetarian route, from time to time, but only in the same way we visit Norfolk instead of Brighton... we don't go because we want to boost the economy of either place we just want a change. We do veggie to save animals. We like the diet. So that said... there is a risk with meat just as with anything else. Know your source. Its abit like saying you must know, beforehand, all cars have had their brakes checked before you will cross the road and take that risk.

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jul-19 08:03:02

I saw this and think that it is a bad one this time.
I rarely eat mince and sausages have been off my diet for a long time. I don't eat bacon and never smoked food. Never have takeaways. All are " disguised " in some way.

When D and myself can remember we go to a local farmers market which is held every 4th Saturday, the next being the 27th-----all local produce and known farms.

It wouldn't bother me not to eat meat as it's not important at my own time of life anyway.

sodapop Fri 12-Jul-19 08:14:45

Yes I do worry about food contamination, there are so many possibilities that I can't eliminate them all. For me its a case of being sensible without stressing too much over it all.

lovebeigecardigans1955 Fri 12-Jul-19 08:21:52

It is a bit worrying. I rarely eat meat these days anyhow but do so occasionally. I prefer fish but they say it's got mercury in it. We can only try to be vigilant, can't we?

Glammy57 Fri 12-Jul-19 08:34:56

I’ve been a vegetarian for forty-six years. If my husband wants to eat meat, he buys from a local butcher and it is organic.

sarahcyn Fri 12-Jul-19 08:39:53

There is probably no 100% "safe" diet that anyone can follow realistically, or without going completely bonkers, or starving to death.
But to completely avoid financing cruelty, you do probably have to go vegan. Going vegan isn't as weird these days as it used to be.
I've been wondering about veganism for some time now, and I'm sort of working towards it slowly.
Giving up meat and poultry was easy as my husband has been a pescetarian for 40 years.
I don't want to give up eggs so I buy them from a special free range supplier where hens are allowed to live their natural life span (Hen Nation).
Butter is easy to replace, as are yoghurts.
Cheese was initially really difficult as we are both cheese monsters, then I started indulging in Nutcrafter Creamery vegan cheeses and I don't miss cheese so much now. Or get it from www.theethicaldairy.co.uk
I use plant milk in recipes but can't bear it in my coffee so that's a stumbling block. Organic milk it is then.
As is fish - it doesn't look like we'll be giving up fish any time soon. This bothers me - neither farmed nor wild fish are sustainable; there's the mercury thing; and contrary to what many people imagine, fish are sensitive to pain as much as any other animal, and the way they die is awful.

Theoddbird Fri 12-Jul-19 08:43:22

I became veggie 40 years ago and vegan last summer. If we did not eat meat there would be enough food to feed the work as the land could be used to grow grains etc. We do not need meat to be healthy. Meat clogs the bowels as well. Do the sweet corn test to see how long it takes to go through. ....easy to see hahaha

Dee1012 Fri 12-Jul-19 08:49:14

I've been reducing the amount of meat I eat over the past months and to be honest, I haven't really missed it!
In fact I've lost a little weight and I actually feel healthier although I'm sure that's just me....smile

NotSpaghetti Fri 12-Jul-19 08:49:45

Personally would say if someone wants to eat meat, buy it much less often and buy organic. I know it's expensive compared to "factory" meat but you are paying for higher standards.
I wish my sons would do this, they buy any old rubbish, but at least they had no meat when BSE was so rampant.
😕

Grammaretto Fri 12-Jul-19 08:57:05

I'm also veggie and DH runs an organic shop which sells organic local meat so you are speaking to the converted.
We have been trying to raise awareness and inspire others for nearly 50 years.
I am particularly sad that our hospitals and schools are not moving in the right direction,angry or if they are it's grinding slow.

Hellsbelles Fri 12-Jul-19 09:17:30

I was was just about to embark weaning of my baby when the BSE scare broke out . We stopped eating beef immediately and then a short time after all meat . I haven't eaten meat or any thing that contains it since including the many things that contain gelatine such as many desserts, some yoghurt and many sweets etc.
Both my children who are now grown and with children
themselves are meat eaters but I never went back to eating it.
unfortunately it hasn't made me slim

Coconut Fri 12-Jul-19 09:30:05

I haven’t eaten meat for 30 years now ....

Applegran Fri 12-Jul-19 09:33:09

I've been a vegetarian for decades - I made the choice when my children were young and decided it was not fair to force the whole family to be vegetarian, so cooked both, and never suggested my children should follow my example. Result - as adults all are vegetarians! It is worth knowing that you can be perfectly healthy as a vegetarian and the food can be delicious - I find meat eating friends enjoy vegetarian food and come back for seconds. I think there is evidence that long term vegans are among the most long lived and healthy people there are.

Gonegirl Fri 12-Jul-19 09:57:01

I've gone off meat lately. Have to buy a joint for the Sunday roast when it's my turn to cook it as the others expect it, but I would be happy with the 'roast' without the meat. I do like the odd chipolata though.

25Avalon Fri 12-Jul-19 09:59:56

No I would not give up meat but I only eat organic or proven free range such as the eggs I buy from a neighbour. Feeding animals an unnatural diet is in my view disgusting. They should be out in the fields eating grass. If they are this is good for the planet as any carbon released by the animal goes back into the grass - it's called the carbon cycle but no one wants to talk about it. It also means we don't need to use lots of artificial chemical fertilisers which also concerns me. A couple of the days of the week I tend to eat vegetarian from my own garden so I can afford the bit extra I pay for organic meat.

blondenana Fri 12-Jul-19 10:14:40

I meant to watch this programme, but forgot it was on, i will watch it though on I player
I rarely eat meat, and even more rarely beef, and then only from, a local butcher,whose meat is organic,
My daughter has Crohns and a professor at Cardiff University told me beef is the worst meat anyone can eat,it is full of toxins, this was 1986
I can't bear to see some of the videos of cruelty to farm animals, or any animals,so i am gradually cutting meat out,
Mainly eat fish, but again don't like the thought of the way they are killed

HannahLoisLuke Fri 12-Jul-19 10:16:15

I stopped eating meat 71 years ago when I was four years old.
My family are farmers and I used to get very upset seeing the animals going to slaughter.

I do eat fish and organic dairy and eggs, although having watched that orogramme The Trawlermen I'm seriously going off fish.
What a brutal scenario that is, as well as being thoroughly wasteful when it comes to cod, thanks to EU quotas.
Dead cod being thrown back in the water because the fishermen aren't allowed to sell them.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 12-Jul-19 10:20:22

No is the answer. I don't eat sausages, mince, burgers bacon, bought pies or ready meals with meat. I buy half a lamb from my local farmer (organic) and eat mainly chicken. Today its liver and onions with the liver coming from Waitrose. I am 72 and still going strong on the diet.

jenni123 Fri 12-Jul-19 10:45:51

I have given up meat completely however I do still eat fish. My daughter is vegan, so nothing animal based at all, My son and his family, including my 12 yr old GD are also vegetarian. If you look into the cruelty involved in the meat industry I don't think anyone would eat meat.

grandMattie Fri 12-Jul-19 10:59:06

I'm quite happy to eat vegetarian - after all my DD and family never give us meat when we visit. We eat a very small amount of meat and often have meat-free meals. So, I am a carnivore, but don't mind not having it!

grandMattie Fri 12-Jul-19 10:59:31

PS am allergic to fish and sea food, so it doesn't form a part of our diet!

SillyNanny321 Fri 12-Jul-19 11:16:00

Hated the taste of beef as a small child, lamb was greasy, pork made me very sick so all the meat on my plate was scraped to the edge then dropped to my dog. Mum told me several years later that they knew what I was doing but left me to choose what I ate.
Only eat small amount of oily fish now on doctors orders but would rather do without. Reached 74 without too many problems so is right for me.
Maybe all should at least give it a try!

Saggi Fri 12-Jul-19 11:20:21

Yes I would.... if not for my husband being ‘ meat and two veg’ man I would’ve done it years ago. No ethical reasons.... just health ones I’m afraid. I’m gradually weaning him of meat and he’s not noticing.... more fish.... more pasta... more salads. He doesn’t really bother as long as he hasn’t gotta get off his bum and cook it!!

Bijou Fri 12-Jul-19 11:42:41

I used to be more or less vegetarian but became very anaemic. Iron tablets affected my kidneys so was advised to eat red meat.
I now eat a varied diet but no ready meals takeaways, sausages, ready cooked meats. Make my own bread. Doing well for my 96 years.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 12-Jul-19 11:44:56

How very first world. I buy the best and most local I can and am grateful I am not starving as many are.

JohnD Fri 12-Jul-19 11:45:15

Eat what you like, I say. Don't forget many vegetables can be contaminated by fumes from some horrible sources so they could be harmful, too.

Craftycat Fri 12-Jul-19 11:48:37

I was veggie for 25 years but now but the most gorgeous meat from aocsl butcher who can tell me where to go to see animals he buys. All local, & well looked after. Reason I started eato g meat again 2nd husband refused to eat veggie, & sons decided they prefered to eat meat too & I got fed up preparing 2 lots of food.

Gonegirl Fri 12-Jul-19 11:52:37

That's very good Bijou. I do eat ready meals (good quality ones). That way you get a bit of meat but it's been made very palatable.

Gonegirl Fri 12-Jul-19 11:53:09

Which reminds me, I came on this 'puter to do my Ocado order!!!

keffie Fri 12-Jul-19 11:56:46

I have cut meat further out of our diets. I do like it occasionally. What I do buy is from our butchers now. I dont know if I could give it up entirely. We will see. I think I would struggle more to give fish up than meat

merlotgran Fri 12-Jul-19 12:13:15

If we did not eat meat there would be enough food to feed the work as the land could be used to grow grains

It's not as simple as that , oddbird.

Not all land is suitable for growing crops. Without livestock to graze and fertilize land will you be willing to eat produce where chemical fertilizer has been used? Will you be happy to see areas of land left unmanaged because livestock is no longer doing the job?

There needs to be a sensible balance.

Daisymae Fri 12-Jul-19 12:14:22

Haven't had meat for 15 years, have stopped eating fish too. The intensive farming process is too cruel.

grandtanteJE65 Fri 12-Jul-19 12:25:58

I tried being a vegetarian and found it affected my health, so I eat meat in moderation, bought from reputable shops.

I think most people do eat more meat than they need, but that we were never meant to exist on only plant-based food.

SunnySusie Fri 12-Jul-19 12:50:31

I do eat meat, probably about once a fortnight. A friend who went veggie had health problems which turned out to be lack of vitamin B12 and B6 and that convinced me we are omnivores and need as varied a diet as possible. I dont know if I could go veggie anyway because I am lactose intolerant and so many veggie meals feature cheese. I definitely dont think I could cope with vegan, whenever I try to up my vegetable intake I get horrendous wind and indigestion, so most likely I would end up just eating carbs and then have blood sugar issues! How on earth did eating get so complicated?

Stella14 Fri 12-Jul-19 13:01:43

Yes, hubby and I gave-up meat completely 6-year-ago. We have never missed-it. Quorn products have improved tremendously over the year. There is Quorn mince and chicken which allows for bolognese, chicken Carbonara etc!

Shirls52000 Fri 12-Jul-19 13:54:50

I was a strict vegetarian for 7 years back in the 90s before I fell off the wagon towards the late 90 s. I ve never gone back to eating much red meat it’s mostly fish and chicken but I did veganuary this year, successfully, and this has made me think once more about trying to return to a vegetarian way of life. I don t think I ll ever be vegan as I have no desire to give up eggs or honey but I have changed to oat milk which is delicious. I think the seed is now sown and it’s only a matter of time until the meat and fish go, although I would greatly miss smoked salmon.

lmm6 Fri 12-Jul-19 14:15:23

I've never liked meat mainly because I was brought up in the 50s and my parents were poor so our meat was full of gristle. If in any doubt about meat, just look in a butcher's window and compare it to the vibrant colours of a fruit & veg shop.
If you must buy meat, make it a luxury and only buy organic.

granny4hugs Fri 12-Jul-19 14:15:27

I gave up meat but not for ethical reasons, I just cannot stand the stuff. Never could. Many a time, as a child, I was left on my own, crying at the table because I'd not 'cleared my plate'. Brought up in a family with a Caribbean mum and white working class dad - a meal wasn't considered a meal unless it included meat. The look, the smell, the taste, the texture - absolutely everything about it made me want to vomit.
Like one of the contributors above I prepared meat for my family (my ex husband was a meaty) but when my middle daughter decided at the age of 8 she didn't want to eat it that was fine with me and ditto my youngest a few years back. Lots of chat about the pressure to cut down on meat consumption but I wonder how many folk are living in households where they eat it just because that is what gets foisted on them?

leeds22 Fri 12-Jul-19 14:31:49

Meat twice a week to keep DH happy, fish once a week (DH hates it but puts up with it). Rest of our main meals are veggie. All home made.

Tillybelle Fri 12-Jul-19 14:42:10

There is no need to give up meat at this time, imho, as British Animal Husbandry is of a high standard. The Farmers were forced to buy cheap food for their cattle because they were paid so little for the cows they produced for the meat market. Just as they are paid so little for the milk they produce. It is the Supermarkets that enforce the bad practices. Please do not blame our Farmers. They were told the fodder was safe. Buy British from a Butcher who can tell you his meat source.

The use of animal products in cattle food has been banned for a long time. As far as I can tell, the possibility of the cattle having the type of prion disease that takes until old-age to express itself is not possible since those cattle would have been slaughtered long ago. The Prion Disease Laboratory in Edinburgh still investigates cases of suspected prion disease. My neighbour was investigated two years ago when he suffered a terrible neurological illness which was not treated early enough because he was admitted at the week-end. Because his symptoms were atypical, his blood and tissue samples were sent to Edinburgh.

If you do give up meat you will not miss it, in my experience. I use lentils, nuts, beans, quorn, cottage cheese, mushrooms... the list is endless!

ayse Fri 12-Jul-19 15:16:20

I rarely eat meat and haven’t done for years.

The programme last night was a reminder that processed food of any sort may not be as safe as we are led to believe.

The Horizon programme “The Honest Supermarket” was also worth a watch.

Aepgirl Fri 12-Jul-19 15:23:38

I would never give up meat. Apart from the fact that I love it.,if we all stopped eating meat we wouldn’t see sheep and cows in fields because they are the farmers’ livelihood.

GrauntyHelen Fri 12-Jul-19 15:32:26

NO but then I am a farmers wife The regulations are very tight and all meat is traceable !

M0nica Fri 12-Jul-19 15:47:09

Quite agree with you GrauntyHelen. I am organic for environmental reasons, not dietary reasons.

GrammaH Fri 12-Jul-19 15:57:14

Well said GrauntyHelen ! I'm with you on that - I'm a farmer's wife too, we eat meat of all sorts & we know how stringent the regulations now are

paddyann Fri 12-Jul-19 16:46:34

I was vegetarian for over 12 years but like someone else here I had health issues and was advised to eat some meat.I dont eat much though ,no fowl ever very little beef and only locally produced, and lamb from my friends farm at the other side of the village milk from a farm I can see from my living room window.Ihave family who are strict vegan BUT will cook meat for thier cats ?My health is much better when my diet is mixed

NotAGran55 Fri 12-Jul-19 18:52:47

I haven’t eaten meat for 46 years for health reasons and I’m fit as a fiddle. My MIL stopped eating beef during the BSE scare as she didn’t want to contract it ... whilst happily puffing away on 20 fags a day !

maryhoffman37 Fri 12-Jul-19 19:13:45

I gave up eating meat (and fish) fifty years ago. Never had a moment's regret.

lincolnimp Fri 12-Jul-19 19:33:10

Going veggie or even vegan would be very difficult for us thanks to my DHs digestive system
I have to be soooo careful about our meals, which I must admit are fairly boringly basic, with limited vegetables. I love to be more adventurous but the results are not worth it

CarlyD7 Fri 12-Jul-19 20:52:23

I eat meat twice a week only. I buy organic meat direct from a local farm, so I also know it's high welfare. (I also know that it's not halal meat - which a lot of meat is now, even though it's not labelled as such). I start to not feel as well if I don't eat meat - I've researched this and tried different supplements which are supposed to give the human body the same things that meat does, but all to no avail. I've come to the conclusion that I just have to take the risk - my life is pretty low risk anyway. Even the Dalai Lama eat meat !

Evie64 Sat 13-Jul-19 00:00:08

This is going to be unpopular, but I'm going for it! I'm sorry, but I am a meat eater and don't think I could give it up. I have these incisors that are designed to eat meat? Who could possibly say they don't enjoy a bacon sandwich or a chicken stir fry, or even a roast beef dinner with lashing of gravy? Apologies if anyone is offended by my carnivorous habits. grin

MissAdventure Sat 13-Jul-19 00:04:41

Oh, I used to love a bacon sandwich, but I've gone right off them now. sad
I don't know why, but they just don't float my boat anymore.

Lilyflower Sat 13-Jul-19 07:17:24

I love vegetable, fruit and vegetarian food but we are omnivores with incisors and need protein and other things obtained from meat. I actually don’t eat a huge amount of meat but have red meat about once a week for the iron and so forth and chicken or fish in some form for at least one other meal.

I have a vegetarian sister who, with the rest of her family, is constantly ill and catches everything nasty doing the rounds. The vegan niece has mental health issues which is unsurprising because there is a a very large link between veganism and depression.

I think that, in the absence of organised religion in the lives of many now, other things have taken its place and vegetarianism, veganism, extreme political beliefs, political correctness and virtue signalling are all filling the void.

Of course, I respect those who cannot eat anything killed for the purpose as in a very sophisticated society such views can be accommodated without starvation. Nonetheless, I question the rights of those who make personal choices to evangelise for their preferences. I don’t push what I eat down everyone’s throats, metaphorically speaking, and I expect them to remain equally silent on their views.

HannahLoisLuke Sat 13-Jul-19 09:17:51

If you're lactose Intolerant there's lactose free milk and cheese. You can get vit B12 from eggs so a vegetarian diet is very healthy. Not so sure about vegan.

Seiko70 Sun 14-Jul-19 08:40:21

I love meat but seem to be intolerant to it so for many years have been meat free but occasionally will be tempted if we go out for a meal and I cant find a veggie alternative , which is a bigger problem because i am Dairy intolerant and allergic to peppers and tomatoes !

discodiva Mon 15-Jul-19 12:12:31

No. Go to a reputable butcher and don't eat fresh fish from supermarkets - only buy frozen.
Tried different alternatives but quite frankly its not a dining delight.