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Strange coincidence

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vampirequeen Fri 16-Mar-18 14:37:12

I've been researching both mine and DH's families. To my amazement I found out last night that we're distant cousins (11th to be precise). We share the same 10th great grandfather.

We don't come from the same city nor even the same part of Yorkshire so it's the last thing we expected.

OldMeg Fri 16-Mar-18 15:04:33

Now that is interesting vampirequeen . Genealogy is fascinating and the more we find out about our ancestors the more we appreciate how lucky we are to actually b here at all.

At least that’s one ancestral line less to chase up!

AlieOxon Fri 16-Mar-18 15:40:05

Am I right in thinking that you have 4096 x 2 in that generation? Not sure of my maths here, but if you divide the population of Yorkshire then by that number you have the chances of this happening!

AlieOxon Fri 16-Mar-18 15:40:24

Or correct me....

AlieOxon Fri 16-Mar-18 15:41:21

Probably a lot more likely than winning the lottery!

Oopsadaisy12 Fri 16-Mar-18 15:41:58

That’s why it’s so interesting, you never know what you will find.
I’m off to see why Granny was in Prison......

Oopsadaisy12 Fri 16-Mar-18 15:42:20

Sorry Great granny

paddyann Fri 16-Mar-18 16:15:26

ha ha OOpsadaisy 12 I found that both my 3xgreat granny and grandfather were in court on the same day,she for not paying the rent on her pub..him for selling alcohol without a license.Makes it interesting to find these wee gems along the way.Granny also spent anight at hM's pleasure ...she knocked a policemans hat off during a demonstration of suffragettes.No jail birds since then...well not that I've found ...yet

vampirequeen Fri 16-Mar-18 17:24:02

DH had a great great grandfather who went to Wakefield Prison a couple of times. Drink was always involved and he didn't seem to mind whacking the odd constable.

The most interesting and infuriating is one of DH's grandfathers. We're not even sure of his name. His children including DH's mother are still alive but no-one will say anything about him. One uncle said that they had all agreed to take the secret to their graves. What on earth could this man have done? We've tried and tried but no one is telling and we don't even have a surname because he wasn't married to DH's grandma even though she had several children with him.

BlueBelle Fri 16-Mar-18 17:56:54

Great grandfathers younger sister was jailed for 5 years for killing an infant in fact I think it was the second infant to die in strange circumstances the one she was jailed for was malnourished and being feed on bread water and a touch of gin Her own children were illegitimate and she was looking after her daughters illegitimate babies

Anniebach Fri 16-Mar-18 18:08:48

I did the tree for a lovely elderly lady, found her grandfather was a widower who then married ! His eldest daughter

Alygran Fri 16-Mar-18 18:31:30

Ancestors of both my parents were transported to Australia. One for stealing a horse and the other for stealing a bag of apples from the market. The latter survived and at the end of his sentence started a new family. His descendants from that family are still in Australia.
My 4x great grandma was born and baptised in 1814 in the village where I now live. I had never heard of the village until we came to look at a house here.

AlieOxon Fri 16-Mar-18 19:45:26

Wish I had a suffragette!

Nain9bach Sat 17-Mar-18 09:06:16

But it wasn't a coincidence at all. It was a genological fact.

AlieOxon Sat 17-Mar-18 09:21:46

And I was trying to say, maybe not all that unlikely!

Neilspurgeon0 Sat 17-Mar-18 09:22:29

Oh, my great great uncle from Essex - a typical ‘wide boy’ was transported for life to Tasmania, (Van Diemen’s Land they called it back then) and his wife was his fence (she got a month in jug for ‘receiving’ his stolen property). Eventually some years later, on the far side of the world he bigamously married another convict (a lady I hasten to add) from Norfolk

Genealogy is fascinating

GrannyCarrots Sat 17-Mar-18 09:24:32

That's so interesting though!!! I just had the DNA results back from MyHeritage - a birthday present from my eldest daughter. It's thrown up all sorts of surprising details (and questions!!) and now I want to find out more as one set of my grandparents clearly weren't being honest!! Exciting stuff!

mischief Sat 17-Mar-18 09:31:25

Vampirequeen, you should be able to find your huband's grandparents on the census, 1841 to 1911 being on the internet. I found my gr.grandad was taken to court for receiving stolen goods but he was a very honest man and was lied to by the real villain. Nothing has been said in our family about this and I can understand why. But these days it's not such a big deal. I found it on the British Newspapers website.

Barmeyoldbat Sat 17-Mar-18 09:56:57

My great grandfather many times back had his goods seized and sold in the market place because he wouldn’t pay his taxes as they were funding a war and he was a Quaker.

FarNorth Sat 17-Mar-18 10:06:37

they had all agreed to take the secret to their graves

That sounds so annoying!

Rocknroll5me Sat 17-Mar-18 10:43:04

My great grandmother passed her illegitimate first son off as her brother or lodger left another son with her widowed mother, married a widower who had five children whom she helped raise, had a further six by him, then she then married one of his sons (that she had raised), she had another five children by him...I think it is called incest. Apparently she was very vain and clearly lied about her age to say the least of it! However three batches of children by three men... the first unknown the next two father and son takes some biscuit. This was Victorian Marylebone scary stuff. I think some of these women had they not had to entirely depend on men and their relationships with them for a living could have offered much in their energy and enterprise.

blueberry1 Sat 17-Mar-18 10:59:22

My 4xgreat grandfather was found guilty of the manslaughter of his brother.His punishment was to be "burnt in the hand," a branding carried out by the court.

blueberry1 Sat 17-Mar-18 11:03:24

I've just remembered that a psychic told me,some years ago,that I had strong family connections to Lancashire.This puzzled me because I did not know of any family there at all.
A few years later,a second cousin got in touch through Ancestry and introduced me to a whole branch of my grandfather's family that I didn't know about.Yes,they all live in Lancashire.

Sulis Sat 17-Mar-18 11:05:24

Having found my natural mother 35 years ago, (I was adopted) and consequently knowing my natural father's name, nationality, education etc., I started tracing family through Ancestry and also had a DNA test done. I would meet my mother from time to time - it was nevertheless an extremely strained relationship as I was born in 1945 and having an illegitimate child in those days was almost criminal. I spent some time trawling Ancestry to find traces of my father and the earliest I got back to was one Nikel Drumm in 1591 - a farmer in Germany whose descendants emigrated to America. Whilst trawling, I came across an actual photo of my father at the age of 21, and this was the very first time I'd seen an image of him. It sent shockwaves through me. I also found my half brother who didn't answer my contact letter. His birthday is Christmas Day, and mine is New Year's Eve!!

blueskies Sat 17-Mar-18 11:32:38

Lovely for all of you to have discovered past family members. Just before my mum died she told me that my aunt had been pregnant by a serviceman during the war and had handed over the child to a couple at "the corner at the end of the road". It was her only child. My aunt was the kindest loveliest person and this makes me feel so sad. I would have loved to have met my cousin but there is no way of tracing him/her.

Hm999 Sat 17-Mar-18 12:28:23

I found a legitimacy issue with my mum's grandad. Wasn't sure to tell her as she adored him, so I said his mother was not an attractive personality and wasn't it great that he turned out so well!

Legs55 Sat 17-Mar-18 13:00:44

I have traced my Maternal line back & discovered that both my Granny & Granddad's families originally came from the same area around Barrow in Furness & then ended up in Yorkshire/Lancashire, settling close. Their families had followed different paths in terms of work.

One branch of my family in the late 19th C were "hoop makers", possibly for crinoline skirtssmile.

Researching Ancestry is fascinating, haven't found any convicts yetgrin

mimiro Sat 17-Mar-18 13:20:51

if you are trying to track people in the usa try

dont know if it works in uk
it is a huge base of records kept by the mormon church
its also free
data is not related to mormon religion/they are just amazing historians

Happysexagenarian Sat 17-Mar-18 14:31:36

Family history research is fascinating. I began researching my history after my Mum died and I inherited the family photo albums. Fortunately I knew who most of the people in the old photos were, but I wanted to know more about them. My ancestors were scattered all around the UK; one emigrated to South Africa where he made his fortune in diamonds(!) and then settled in Australia. Most of them were ordinary working class people. I'm still working on one 'death in suspicious circumstances' and a few non existent marriages. I discovered a distant cousin living in the USA, and we have met several times and continue to keep in touch. It can be interesting, revealing and sometimes distressing but well worth doing to be able to pass on all that information to future generations.

AlieOxon Sat 17-Mar-18 15:37:05

Yes, you can use Familysearch here in UK, but I personally am very wary of giving them information about my family. The reason they collect all this data is to do with their religion. I would not put a family tree on there.

mimiro Sat 17-Mar-18 16:15:37

got to tell ya most ancestry geneology sites get their info from lds records.
no one should put current or past family tree on any site/free and cheap templates for trees are available.
i am not a mormon/got no use for any religion

mimiro Sat 17-Mar-18 16:19:50

In February 2014, FamilySearch announced partnerships with, findmypast and MyHeritage, which includes sharing massive amounts of their databases with those companies. They also have a standing relationship with BillionGraves, in which the photographed and indexed images of graves are both searchable on FamilySearch and are to link to individuals in the family tree.[6]

SueLindsey Sat 17-Mar-18 16:32:43

My daughter (whose family are mostly from the London area) recently found out that her 4 x great grandmother
was the sister of her husbands (whose family have been in Manchester for many generations) 5 x great grandmother.
Their surname was "Herring" and they lived in a little village on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall. But I suppose we are all related if you go very far back!

chicken Sat 17-Mar-18 16:58:03

One of my relatives was hung in 1827 as a member of a notorious gang and two others were transported to Australia. One was a "highway robber"--he mugged an old man for his gold watch--and the other stole a sack of cochineal (I've always wondered why!). Genealogy is addictive but also very frustrating, especially when relatives are illegitimate and you can't find out anything about the father's side of the family.

Lyndylou Sat 17-Mar-18 18:28:48

Yes I know what you mean chicken. I can research my mother's side but I came to a dead end with my father. His mum was quite free with her favours and there is doubt about the paternity of most of her children. She used to give them to her parents to look after anyway, who weren't well off and really struggled to feed them all as they became teenagers.

Marieeliz Sat 17-Mar-18 19:13:41

My great granny went to jail for picking up Cabbage leaves from an open market floor. This was to make soup for her children. It was 1911 and she was a widow.

They think they are having a hard time now!

FarNorth Sat 17-Mar-18 21:44:40

shock Marieeliz

vampirequeen Sat 17-Mar-18 21:54:23

Thanks for the interest, Mischief, but DH's grandfather was with his grandmother in the 1930s/40s. We found a the name of a man who was living in the same house as his grandmother and great grandmother in 1939 but that's the only information we have and we're not sure if he was living with grandmother or great grandmother or was just a lodger.

GabriellaG Sun 18-Mar-18 03:13:54


AlieOxon Mon 19-Mar-18 09:36:17

Not sure this fits in here but it's a fascinating story.... today

Yogagirl Sun 01-Apr-18 17:28:46

How interesting Soulis * to see a pic of your Father, whaw!

I'm finding this thread very interesting, sad & funny too.

My lost granddaughter will have a shock if she decides to do this when she's older, everyone she thinks are family are not and I think my estD forged her birth certificate!

Yogagirl Sun 01-Apr-18 17:36:54

Sorry not funny but ...what's the word hmm

hildajenniJ Sun 01-Apr-18 20:02:22

My aunt's middle name was the surname of my MiL. Those days the girls were given family names as middle names. We looked into it and discovered that my maternal grandfather and my MiL's aunt were cousins. I have never tried to work out how DH and I are related though.

Nanawind Sun 01-Apr-18 21:50:38

One of my great aunts was a dwarf, her family were well to do, sold her to the circus. Her brother (my great grandad) who had been disowned for marrying a woman who lived on a canal boat found her and bought her back for 50 guineas we have the receipt. She then became a money lender. I can't find out what happened later in her life.

Yogagirl Mon 02-Apr-18 08:12:16

How awful Nanawind your poor aunt, hope she had some happiness in the circus. Just imagine reading her diaries, how interesting they would be! How old was she when she was put in the circus, do you know?

Nanawind Mon 02-Apr-18 08:36:23

Yogagirl she was 5 and her brother got her back when she was 15. He went in front of the judge accused of kidnapping her back which he had done.
The judge ruled he could offer the circus compensation. This was 1879.
It's such an amazing story. I have found some newspaper reports of her when she was 35 but she was sent abroad. I do know she lived till she was about 60 and was burried in that country. We have 2 letters from her. I would like more information but this is proving difficult.

Yogagirl Tue 03-Apr-18 08:14:33

Nanawind 5 years old, the poor little thing, how could her parents do that, she must have been so unhappy sad But hopefully after a while, I really do hope she found happiness with her new family and that they treated her well.

AlieOxon Tue 03-Apr-18 08:43:38

I have a copy of 'Who do you think you are?' magazine from last year in which they give various resources for tracing circus relatives - have you seen this?

AlieOxon Tue 03-Apr-18 09:38:45

Sorry - I was addressing that to Nanawind

Nanawind Tue 03-Apr-18 12:17:51

AlieOxon no I haven't seen that magazine. I will look on line. This is such an interesting part of my family history. To think her own parents sold their child. But this research has shown that they were not nice people. They disowned their eldest son for marrying the wrong person in their eyes. Sold the youngest for being a dwarf. They also had 3 other children im trying to find them but it's proving very hard.
Thank you for your suggestion.

Yogagirl Wed 04-Apr-18 10:13:04

Keep us up to to date Nanawind very interesting. xx