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Corbyn's long game - driving journalists crazy- and you?

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jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 11:55:08

Certainly me- same with his close acolytes- never ever answering a direct question:

news.sky.com/video/share-11668308?fbclid=IwAR3pTX4HLh5lBMtW5RcJlHzr1lb9_vbZfvib1NDK2Oa5CGxy-8mO_ZxgyI0

What about you? He is still going on about being able to quickly negotiate a Norway style deal without any of the strings and responsibilities attached.

jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 12:08:10

Even such an experienced journalist as Emily Maitlis is ready to throttle them

youtu.be/PNZZS7GFRz0

Jane10 Mon 18-Mar-19 12:10:28

It's obvious that he just doesn't know what he's doing. Promoted way beyond his competence. I feel sorry for the more able Labour MPs.

Anniebach Mon 18-Mar-19 12:33:08

Oil slick on legs

jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 12:37:08

I think journalists should ask the question 3 times- and if they don't answer- just tell them they are cutting them off, and do it. Done.

EllanVannin Mon 18-Mar-19 12:39:28

He's hopeless isn't he ? The party has left itself wide open for another Conservative government should there be another GE in the near future.

jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 12:44:05

And even worse- his lack of clear opposition may well throw us into a disastrous NO Deal. In many ways, I would be more angry with him than Mrs May. I am no fan of hers- but at least she has tried, so hard, to find a way ...

Anniebach Mon 18-Mar-19 14:18:57

He is only concerned with a general election ,doesn’t want to anger remainers or leavers, sits in the fence trying the impossible, pleasing all of the people all of the time .

maryeliza54 Mon 18-Mar-19 14:32:58

EM’s behaviour was disgraceful and unprofessional

jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 14:37:56

not at all- I totally understood and shared here frustration- which was shown to all sides. She expressed the massive annoyance so many of us feel- again, on all sides.

jura2 Mon 18-Mar-19 14:40:09

As in this one - love the 'park the unicorns' bit:

youtu.be/YBfTdHK4-zw

Anja Mon 18-Mar-19 15:22:35

Whereas the Blesséd Theresa May.........🤬

trisher Mon 18-Mar-19 15:37:58

So we have a government whose proposals even cabinet ministers are voting against, that the attorney general evidently doesn't speak to, that is led by a woman who seems to be imitating her namesake, that has suffered the biggest defeat in the history of parliament and you want to criticise Corbyn!!!!

eazybee Mon 18-Mar-19 15:51:17

Theresa May's ills, evils and complete ineptitude still do not make Corbyn appear as an alternative leader.
Driving journalists crazy?
Now at last I understand the point of him.

varian Wed 20-Mar-19 22:11:41

It seems that Theres May invited the leaders of all the opposition parties to a meeting tonight and Corbyn went off in a strop because Chukka Omunna was there.

GillT57 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:22:40

He has been handed election victory on a plate, the current conservative administration is eating itself and still he cannot get it right. I am angrier with him than I am with Teresa May, he is weak and ineffectual and is not an effective opposition. He has sat on the Brexit fence for so long he must have splinters in his arse. What a let down he is.

rosamund132 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:24:18

The difference between Corbyn and May is that May is serving her country and Corbyn is serving himself. EU leaders have said time and again he is deluded if he thinks he can negotiate a different Deal. This is the EU Deal; not just Theresa May's and it must be accepted, voted for and the UK allowed to get on with everything else that is being sidelined.

rosamund132 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:27:42

Please tell your MP how you want them to vote. I want to know the vote reflects the British People and not a political elite who are refusing to accept the fact that this is the EU's Deal with the UK and nothing can be changed. Has your MP asked you your opinion? No? Then TELL THEM !

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:28:32

TIG is NOT a political party FFS - we don’t even know where they are getting their funding frim. TM is a mad goady fucker

MaizieD Wed 20-Mar-19 22:34:44

I don't think May is serving her country at all. She's serving the tory party and her own xenophobia. She's desperate to keep the tory party together, as was Cammeron when he came up with his wizard wheeze of holding a really badly thought out referendum. Our country is being torn apart for the sake of tory unity.

I actually suspect that Corbyn has got something kind of agreed in principle with the EU. He had a few meetings with them. I think that his negotiating stance would have been more consensual and more successful. Though I know I shall get flamed for saying this!

May went at it like a bull in a china shop, mistaking aggression for firmness. Painted herself into a corner with all those red lines and can't get herself out of it.

Anniebach Wed 20-Mar-19 22:37:36

Corbyn Can outdo May on ills, evils and ineptitude ,

EllanVannin Wed 20-Mar-19 22:47:38

All Corbyn's been doing is criticising TM from start to finish. There's no substance in whatever he has to say, his main aim to create a division between all parties including his own. His past militant lifestyle is coming through for all to see.

He'd walked out of a meeting tonight because Chuka Umunna had been invited. Is it because Chuka could run rings around him ? Of course it is !

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:49:23

Really ab really ? She is the fucking PM and she is taking us to hell in a handcart. She is the fucking PM - she chose to be the PM. She was a racist HS - she has no idea what normal life is like. She has never had to worry about money, access to health cars, poor education for her SEN child, inadequate social care for her parents, paying her mortgage, her fuel bills. She has no idea about anything at all. No idea at all.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:51:09

What part of the TIG group is not a political party do people not understand? Not a political party - who funds them? Who cares? We are fucked as a country, completely fucked

NfkDumpling Wed 20-Mar-19 22:52:32

Sooo .... Does Mr Corbyn want to leave the EU?

If he was this wishy-washy when he talked with them, I bet he has no idea what he may or may not get from them and they’re still wondering what the hell he wanted apart from platitudes.

Eloethan Wed 20-Mar-19 22:55:01

She was hopeless in the Home Office and has proved to be totally ineffective in guiding and overseeing the Brexit negotiations. I didn't really expect anything different from her but now it is getting extremely worrying and I, I'm sure like many people, just don't know what is the right thing to do now.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 22:59:41

It's obvious that he just doesn't know what he's doing.
Promoted way beyond his competence. I feel sorry for the more able Labour MPs.

I agree and have always said this. His petulance this evening means he is putting his own feelings before the good of the country.
Of course he could not do any better because he would always be marching off in a strop.

He is just an embarrassment.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:01:02

TIG is not a political party TIG is not a political party

GillT57 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:01:53

Corbyn refusing to attend the cross party meeting tonight because Chukka Amuna was going to be there was childish and pathetic and illustrates clearly that he is not putting the interests of members of the Labour Party or of the general electorate first. Disgraceful behaviour and he needs to be called out on it.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:02:16

If TM cared about the country she would not have included TIG but she doesn’t care

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:03:15

He is still going on about being able to quickly negotiate a Norway style deal without any of the strings and responsibilities attached.
Anyone who does not have the responsibility to try to do the deal can say anything they like about what they think they could do.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land jura and his actions this evening were just childish.
Well, perhaps not, my DGC are more mature than that.

The LP and the country deserve a better Leader of the Opposition.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:03:38

Why is no one calling out the PM for inviting him ffs? She invited CU - why?

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:04:49

Perhaps she respects his views and values his input.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:05:13

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maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:06:36

TIG is not a political party - it has no status in Parliament. She could have had his input in a different ways but no she chose deliberately to be a goady fucker

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:11:42

The country deserves a better PM

janipat Wed 20-Mar-19 23:12:12

If Jeremy Corbyn had any concern for this country he would have attended the meeting in a civil, adult way. He never gives a straight answer to a question, and if he can't present a credible opposition to this awful government we've got, then that speaks volumes! Labour would be flying high with a half decent leader.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:14:29

They would, janipat
and I do not mean McDonnell as he is in no way decent.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:23:13

Could I just point out that there are (at least) two threads about Theresa May?

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:26:49

In many ways, I would be more angry with him than Mrs May. I am no fan of hers- but at least she has tried, so hard, to find a way …
I agree because he has proved to be completely ineffectual, and when given chances to contribute refuses in a petulant manner.
He is completely negative and has nothing to contribute whatsoever. The sooner the LP is rid of him the better.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:32:09

TM is the PM - which part of that do you not understand? She’s responsible for this

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Mar-19 23:37:07

and this thread is about Jeremy Corbyn but you are attempting to derail it - something you have complained about others doing in the past maryeliza, using rather more unpleasant terminology.

Anniebach Thu 21-Mar-19 08:14:04

Corbyn walks out of a meeting because Chuka Umunna was invited to the same meeting .

The same Corbyn who met many times with IRA leaders , Hezbollah, Hamas because ‘ he believes in talking and listening ‘ ?

Jane10 Thu 21-Mar-19 08:16:54

I suspect he's intimidated by CU as CU is pretty intelligent and competent and could easily show him up.

Anniebach Thu 21-Mar-19 08:27:27

Corbyn remained supportive of the likes of George Galloway and Derek Hatton but refuses to join a meeting which included Chuka,

Eloethan Thu 21-Mar-19 08:38:07

Every time Theresa May is in a real fix and looks extremely incompetent, the focus shifts to Corbyn. It's no coincidence.

Anniebach Thu 21-Mar-19 08:43:42

Quite natural when a person is called incompetent for an even more incompetent person to come to mind.

Jane10 Thu 21-Mar-19 09:04:07

Anniebach grin

Neti Thu 21-Mar-19 09:20:42

Do people realise that the Labour party has followed the will of its members,as voted on at conference last year?

I'm not a Labour member and haven't voted for them since Blair took over and led us into neolibralism,but am considering voting for them at the next election due to their manifesto.

It also needs pointing out that Corbyn has won the membership vote to remain leader 3 times and that most of our press is owned by Murdich,so the bashing that Corbyn's taken is designed to unseat him and bring in another neolibral leader.

I've not yet seen any news about the meeting last night which is being reported here,so will go take a look.

Anniebach Thu 21-Mar-19 10:06:45

The will of labour members at the conference was

1. A general Election

2. A people’s vote.

Why is Corbyn presenting the EU today with an alternative
Brexit plan ?

POGS Thu 21-Mar-19 11:01:30

My issue with Corbyn/Labour is the hypocrisy that surrounds the rhetoric and behaviour. Labour has one aim and that is to get a General Election by Hell or High Water to abide by it's Membership instruction but Labour are showing their core voters they are of little to no consequence in those many Labour constituencies that voted Leave.

Labour demands the ' Red Lines' are dropped but not by their party.

Labour demands MP's vote against the EU/UK Withdrawal Bill, stupidly reported as Theresa May's Deal. Yet when Labour is challenged I have heard Corbyn/ John McDonnell/ Keir Starmer/Barry Gardiner/John Trickett Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all say something along the lines of' :-

' We can't change / alter the EU Withdrawal Bill, that's the agreement the EU has agreed to and has said it won't revisit/change. I have even heard Labour Ministers and MP's say they totally agree with the Irish Backstop ! Meaning even if Labour were in charge the EU/UK Withdrawal Bill will remain the same.

The arguments put forward by Labour as reasons to vote against the Withdrawal Bill such as EU Citizens rights both in the UK and in the other 27 EU nations, Employment law, Environmental issues, Security etc. are covered in the the Withdrawal Bill, happy to be corrected !

Labour wants to basically Remain in the EU and let the EU decide what we must do regarding our Law, Trade and abiding by the 4 pillars/freedoms as far as I can see it as it wants to stay in the Customs Union and will align with the Single Market.

Labour is being totally disengenuous when it says it will still have a seat at the table over decisions made in the EU and it would garner more respect if it came out and told the truth Labour is now a Remaining Party. If Labour has been told by the EU it can ' CHERRY PICK ' then let the voters know. If it had I think Labour would be only too pleased to let the voter know by now.

That takes me back to Corbyn. Corbyn has gone through the lobbies time and time again to vote against the EU. He has spoken for years against the EU, same as the Trade Unions once did, he is not a Remainer by heart and deed but he puts getting a bloody General Election and power above all.

Anniebach Thu 21-Mar-19 11:29:50

No criticism from the alleged principled Corbyn that Momentum was fined for breaching the electoral law

lemongrove Thu 21-Mar-19 14:06:28

Annie that remark from you upthread ( about incompetents) actually made me splurge a mouthful of tea,
So funny.grin That and the oilslick on legs comment.

Anniebach Thu 21-Mar-19 14:07:58

Both are true lemon 😀

lemongrove Thu 21-Mar-19 14:09:06

Yes, which makes the comments even better.😄

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Mar-19 15:12:27

Every time Theresa May is in a real fix and looks extremely incompetent, the focus shifts to Corbyn. It's no coincidence.

Every time anyone wants to discuss Corbyn, in this case starting a thread solely about him, the focus shifts to May. It's no coincidence.

He's what DD would term 'wafty'

jura2 Sat 18-May-19 21:43:41

For the admirers of JC's 'long game' what do you think about it now? Has it worked - has it got us/you where we wanted to be?

Mycatisahacker Sun 19-May-19 10:29:52

Said it before and say it again both front benches and both May and Corbyn are utterly charmless incompetent and dreadful

jura2 Sun 19-May-19 10:33:57

Would be particularly interested in hearing from those who said for 2 years ... don't worry, JC is playing a very long game, and he just won't let us go out with No Deal.

Are they still confident? And still confident that he would win in a GE?

jura2 Sun 19-May-19 10:41:23

On Andrew Marr now - blablabla fudge, options, blablabla, perhaps, maybe, blablabla...

lack of clarity Marr says - understatement of the year!

Framilode Sun 19-May-19 11:10:16

I am beginning to hate Corby. He's so firmly on the fence he's got the post stuck up his bum.

Urmstongran Sun 19-May-19 11:34:51

He was such a waffler on the Marr show just now. Never says a sentence when he can spout a paragraph! Clear as mud. Trying to take both sides of the referendum along with him and failing both.

I think his time is nigh.

annodomini Sun 19-May-19 11:42:51

Andrew Marr gave him more time than he gave his other guests and I was no wiser at the end of the interview than I was at the beginning. hmm

Mycatisahacker Sun 19-May-19 12:15:04

I have no actual idea what labours policy is on Brexit. And they start every answer with ‘let’s be clear’ grin

quizqueen Sun 19-May-19 12:18:18

I believe that Chukka is not the designated leader of the Independence Group so, I agree, he should not have been invited to the meeting.

Anniebach Sun 19-May-19 12:24:47

When Chuka was invited there was no leader, he was representing the group, if the group elected him to represent them this should have been accepted. It was accepted by all with the exception of Corbyn , so obvious to all it was a personal snub / sulk / tantrum

Grandad1943 Sun 19-May-19 12:44:55

Jeremy Corbyn has resolutely supported the Brexit Policy brought forward by the twelve thousand lay delegates that attended the Labour Movement Annual Delegate conference of last September. As has been stated on this forum many times, that policy is that the parliamentary Labour Party should seek as priority to bring about a General Election and should that not prove possible to then seek a second referendum (Peoples Vote).

Over the months since that policy came into being some in the Parliamentary Labour Party have bid to disregard that policy in favour of more "populist" measures of their choosing. However, to just annul something on the "whim" of a few MPs, when thousands of lay rank and file Labour activists had taken time off work and in that their holiday entitlement to attend that conference and bring forward that Brexit policy is to me totally disgusting and smacks of nothing more than elitism.

That stated, never more than in the last week has it looked more likely that this shambles of a government may have to call a General Election. Then, even with a new leader, this Tory government are likely to find they still cannot get any Brexit solution through the House of Commons, even if that be a "no deal" policy placed before Parliament by Borris (The Buffon) Johson then as Prime Minister.

Therefore, the "seek a General Election as first priority policy" put forward by those lay activists has never looked more likely to be proven to be the correct one, and never has the judgment of the Parliamentary Labour elite (with the exception of Corbyn and some others) been proven to be so wrong.

Should a General Election come about, then much more than Brexit will be debated, and it is already known that many in this country support Labour policies on many issues. A General Election would stop Nigel Farage and his gang of all sorts in their tracks when they had to put forward real policies on any number of matters

trisher Sun 19-May-19 12:58:48

The real question should be how has a government without a proper majority, unable to pass any real legislation, which has tried to buy enough support but basically wasted their money, still cling to power?
I thought Corbyn on Andrew Marr spoke quietly and calmly about trying to get a good deal, and trying to keep the benefits of EU membership but recognising the concerns of those who have suffered economically and who voted leave.

Mycatisahacker Sun 19-May-19 13:10:26

The main headache during a GE campaign will be where labour can hide Dianne Abbott and shut her up and ditto Chris failing Grayling for the Tories

jura2 Sun 19-May-19 13:50:19

trisher- yes his voice gets quieter and calmer the more annoyed he becomes - it is so obvious.

Yes, it is good that he is trying to understand why those who are likely to suffer the most, and have suffered the most from austerity- voted leave. But wouldn't it be responsible to admit that they would be the ones to suffer the most if we crash into no deal/WTO.

But do you still believe that there is a deal out there that will give us what Corbyn wants - I've called it cake and eat it with unicorns on top in the past - but let's call it 'customs union' without FOP?

jura2 Sun 19-May-19 13:51:26

Grandad, do you truly believe that LP, with Corbyn at the helm- would have any chance at all of winning?

Elliepops Sun 19-May-19 13:57:54

After last nights debacle surely it's time for us to leave European song contest.
Does anybody know how much it cost us.
Love graham norton but what a load of old none entertaining rubbish.
I watched just a few minutes. Was lucky enough to tune in at the shouty row,not .
Does anybody watch it?

trisher Sun 19-May-19 14:04:10

jura2 I suppose the problem is that (as is obvious in some of the debates on GN) it is virtually impossible to convince Leavers that they are wrong and their ills are not the result of EU membership, the only alternative being to offer them proper economic funding no matter what happens.
I don't believe we should be leaving at all but I can see that sometimes you have to tell people you are trying it their way even if you know things are not as they believe and it won't work. It's a bit like sugar coating a pill to get someone to take nasty medicine.

Elliepops Sun 19-May-19 14:05:43

Silly me.should have started a new thread.ooops

Boosgran Sun 19-May-19 15:20:52

Language please maryeliza54! There really is no need to continually use profanities - you sound so angry. Calm yourself.

Cherrytree59 Sun 19-May-19 16:51:08

Corbyn knows if he came off the fence it would straight into the compost heap.

He is unsure whether he would come up with
labour roses or remain in the dark with mushrooms.

Anniebach Sun 19-May-19 17:58:24

When Brexit is settled I await - ‘I was there but i don’t know if I was involved.’

lemongrove Sun 19-May-19 20:02:52

grin good one Annie

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 13:00:36

Cherrytree and Annie

grin

trisher Mon 20-May-19 13:23:27

Isn't it funny, leavers consistently complain remainers don't take their views seriously and remainers point out the referendum was only advisory and the win too small, but let anyone try to see both points of view and you are sitting on the fence!

lemongrove Mon 20-May-19 13:27:43

Corbyn is a master of fudge trisher and as leader of the opposition needs a clear view of what his own party actually wants and expects, even if such is an unpopular view.
He always seems incapable of a clear view and prefers to swim about in muddy waters.

Anniebach Mon 20-May-19 13:41:11

Corbyn only sees the door to No 10, a leader should lead , Cable, Farage ,Caroline Lucas still seen as leader, they lead , no fence sitting waiting to see which way the wind blows.

And when has Corbyn seen both points of view ? never

Jabberwok Mon 20-May-19 13:57:54

Trouble was it wasn't only advisory! DC made it quite clear,both verbally and in writing (the pamphlet, of which we all got a copy) that the result EITHER way would be honoured. Parliament went along with this without a murmur, signed article 50 into law, again with hardly a murmur! To me that's a done deal. If it was advisory, then you could argue that parliament took and agreed that advice, confirming it on the strength of the signing of article 50! Either way round, they agreed it and acted upon it. The fact that they appear not to have known what they were signing for is not the fault of the general public! Which leads one to beg the question who ARE the misinformed the ill educated, the lazy, elderly, woolyheaded people here? The great British public, or our esteemed not so honourable MP's?!!!!!

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 14:35:33

trisher

Parliament took the chance on the people. They all promised to honour the referendum results. They all voted to trigger article 50.

They can’t now prevaricate on it was advisory or the margin was too small it’s utter nonsense and you know it.

I didn’t vote for TM but I accept she’s PM

Basically you lost get over it and let’s all make Brexit a success.

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 14:40:45

And Corbyn never sees both sides most politicians don’t.

He just dithers because he’s trying not to alienate his core voters.

He is in a difficult position I see that as his new voters are mainly youngsters who see him as ‘cool’ or middle class champagne socialist types who need to feel they are supporting the poor and probably never set foot in a council estate in their lives. grin

The old labour core vote went to ukip or now to Brexit.

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 14:52:47

And my post was not directed at any labour or Tory voters on here! Joking apart I do accept people vote according to their moral compass.

I find both sides morally repellent to be fair grin

trisher Mon 20-May-19 15:48:34

Come to the NE the core vote is still Labour. It hasn't disappeared much as some may wish it would. I understand that it bothers a lot of GN posters because the younger generation have more of a social conscience than they have. But really this dismissal of young people is pathetic. And Corbyn isn't dithering he is trying to steer a way through a Tory mess which has split the country by promising the unacheivable in order to try and keep their right wing happy.

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 15:57:24

Of course he’s dithering.

Granted TM is hopeless and I don’t blame him breaking off Brexit talks why should he offer her a life line.

The young now have no more or no less a social conscience than we did. He attracted them because he lied over tuition fees, wears a peaked cap, doesn’t look smart and went to Glastonbury.

They know the fees are still theirs so have lost interest.

I wish the core labour vote hadn’t gone to Brexit, it will on Thursday as I think a sensible labour admin like we had under Blaire was fantastic until Iraq happened.

I can’t abide the Tories.

But you won’t win with Corbyn

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 15:59:28

I have 4 children between 20 and 30 and literally know dozens of youngsters.

No different in any way to every previous generation.

Grany Tue 21-May-19 08:31:40

Mycatisahacker Corbyn will abolish tuition fees free lifelong learning at the point of use. Read Labours Policies

Blair New Labour was a Tory lite he was well in with Murdock, neoliberal capitalism He brought lots of PFIs into our NHS private finance initiative saddling the NHS with lots of debt.
Here are 100+ Labour polices to transform Britain

Corbyn can't be bought Labour is now socialist back to its roots.

Anniebach Tue 21-May-19 08:36:05

Racism was never part of the Labour Party

Grandad1943 Tue 21-May-19 08:49:10

Well said Grany. Jeremy Corbyn has supported wholeheartedly the policies set out by the Grassroots Labour activists at its last delicate conference, including their Brexit policy.

The above has placed the Labour movement once again as a radical true socialist organisation very much with the same ideology and policies as the 1945 Atlee government held.

That government transformed Britain into a far better society for the good of all. It is a pity that some in the Parliamentary Labour party will not join those Rank and File conference activists and support the changes they wish to see.

Time for some of the above to be deselected by their constituency parties I feel.

Grandad1943 Tue 21-May-19 08:55:13

Anniebach Quote [Racism was never part of the Labour Party] End Quote

Just as Islamophobia should not be part of the Conservative Party, but it very much is, and they will not even open an internal enquiry into that situation.

Of course, the closet Tories only ever see things one way.

Anniebach Tue 21-May-19 09:06:16

Deselected ? No surprise, the Labour Party is no longer a broad church party. It isn’t the .labour party of 1945,

Attlee saw the British communist party as a threat , he certainly was not anti semetic, he lead the party , didn’t need rabble like Momentum

Grandad1943 Tue 21-May-19 09:17:50

Anniebach, you have stated on this forum that you were until very recently a Labour party member of fifty years.

The above means that you must have joined the party in approximately 1969 and remained with the party through the winter of content, the Miners strike, the Michael Foot years of leadership and Blair leading this country into the Iraq War.

The above were all times of

Grandad1943 Tue 21-May-19 09:23:58

Sorry pressed the wrong key above and posted to early.

However the above were times of tremendous pressure and upheaval in the Labour Party and yet you state you continued your support and membership of the party throughout all of those troubled times.

However, only now you say that you realise you were in the wrong party.

Strange Judgment it would seem. 😃

Anniebach Tue 21-May-19 09:24:48

Over fifty years , yes remained even when the Unions kept
Lord Robens in his job and the labour government made the people of Aberfan pay part of the costs to remove the tips. Blair gave the village the money back when he was PM

When Michael Foot led the party into the wilderness

Michael didn’t lie, wasn’t a racist

Grandad1943 Tue 21-May-19 09:34:07

Anniebach, 😂
I am off to work and will be chuckeling about that all the way there.

Post again later.

Grany Tue 21-May-19 09:44:22

It comes to something when MSM supporting the right wing Tories, who don't want to start having to pay their fair share tax can convince people that a life long anti racist campaigner who won two peace awards is anti Semitic he is patently not.
The Blairites those that want things to stay the same the careerist politicians who don't want change do need to be deselected.

And Momentum helped Labour as they could see what a fight we had on our hands with the Tories Blairites and MSM backing them, to get change true socialism back again.

Anniebach Tue 21-May-19 09:52:41

The Labour Party with Blair as leader won three consecutive general elections