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Labour anti-semitism

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Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 12:04:55

The equality and human rights commission have launched
an investigation

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:05:40

Good

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 12:09:03

The only other party to be investigated was the BNP.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:14:08

I shall welcome the findings as I have been very saddened by these reports.

And puzzled as it is not the Labour Party that I experience. I shall keep a close eye on the investigation and read with interest and perhaps a little humbleness.

Beckett Tue 28-May-19 12:28:33

The Labour Party members I have met are not anti-semitic, however, it can't be denied that some comments by some Labour members do require investigation. It can only be a good thing to shine a bright light on any discrimination.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:35:12

I shall email both my mp and JC to indicate that what ever the findings are the Labour Party should show its character by accepting them with good grace and if necessary to make amends ASAP.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 12:45:38

Good!

Many good labour members and back bench MPs are being smeared by this inability to sort the issue out.

Dinahmo Tue 28-May-19 12:52:01

Sadly, many people confuse anti Zionism with anti Semitism and there is a difference.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:55:56

dina lets hope that the enquiry clears that up.

I have recently completed a course on anti-semitism run by the Holocaust Foundation in Israel, and they are quite clear on the difference as am I. They argue very strongly that to criticise Israel’s policies regarding expansion is both healthy and needed.

knickas63 Tue 28-May-19 12:56:52

Agree Dinahmo

Beckett Tue 28-May-19 12:59:49

I agree there is a difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, unfortunately some commentators cover their anti-semitism by claiming it is "just" anti-Zionism - that is what has to be investigated.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 13:25:56

There indeed is a difference that some in labour clearly don’t understand.

However hopefully This enquiry will sort these issues out and the truth will come out.

Amazing how quickly Campbell got kicked out. They can act fast when they want to

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 15:38:28

I don't agree with tit for tat- and with two wrongs = right.

But I am amazed how many people who are up in arms about 'semitism' in LP, are totally blind to Islamophobia in CP.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 15:45:59

jura2

I think it’s far more institutional within labour but the commission will uncover that.

For sure there’s racist in all parties and for sure the Tories are not exempt but it’s hoe deep rooted it is and how it’s dealt with I guess.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 15:46:09

Diversion , thread title ‘ Labour anti - semetism

MaizieD Tue 28-May-19 16:32:13

Can anyone explain why anti-semitism should be regarded as a particularly Labour 'thing'? Not asking for a catalogue of JC's iniquities, just why the LP is considered to be so anti-semitic? Is it a class thing?

MaizieD Tue 28-May-19 16:33:35

I'm asking because it startled me greatly when the whole thing began to be so high profile.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:37:00

No I think it’s a momentum thing and a hatred of Jews due to the unquestioning support of the unelected brutal Hammas.

Instead of criticising the Israel’s government, which is absolutely fine, they are picking on British Jews in an institutional way. At their party conference and at local level.

Bit like blaming all Muslims living here for terrorist atrocities here as many people do.

Bizarre isn’t it. Hopefully the commission and police can uncover, expel and prosecute the racists and sort it out.

Labour is so much better than momentum

Urmstongran Tue 28-May-19 16:37:12

Margaret Hodge put this post on Twitter half an hour ago:

Margaret Hodge
Verified account
@margarethodge

Following

“Recent emails from the Hard Left say I’m paid by Israel for my silence on war crimes & allegiance, I work for Jewish satanic masters to protect ruling class, I’m un-British for supporting Jewish party members, I should slit my wrists & I should have been killed instead of Jo Cox.”

What has happened to the Labour party?

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:38:13

Its become so profile because it’s not been sorted so out of control. Wouldn’t have happened under Blaire brown or Ed.

Anja Tue 28-May-19 16:41:48

That is not the Labour Party Urm that is some Neanderthal who should have been drowned at birth. His mother was clearly lacking in foresight.

There are a lot of racists out there (and a few on here) but one person’s tweet or post does not represent the whole lot of us.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:42:27

Momentum happened sad

Anja Tue 28-May-19 16:45:26

What? 🙄

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:47:09

horrible ref to Jo Cox.

And of course she was murdered by a far right terrorist. But arnt they alike the far right and far left.

But you do need strong leadership to deal with this as we all know it’s the top tear that sets the tone and the spirit

trisher Tue 28-May-19 16:57:42

Horrific of course but it bothers me a bit that she uses the term "Hard Left" to attribute the messages. If these are Labour Party members why not name them? If they are members of another political organisation why not name that? It is far too broad a term. There are of course nutters at every level of politics but "Hard left" is a vague term. I know some revolutionary socialists, they are very nice people and much as they might dispute and argue with Margaret Hodge they would not send such messages.
And actually Mycatisahacker the far left are nothing like the far right. They seldom seek to restrict knowledge and in fact want you to know more about the secret history of freedom fighters, and revolutionaries.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 17:12:27

Well I guess Margaret Hodge knows more about the origins of these messages then we do or the police and commission will. Let’s hope so.

I completely disagree with you over the hard left and the hard right.

Both are unpleasant, dictatorial, hateful racist and often mysogynistic.

We are not talking wolfie Smith here are we.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 17:12:47

I hear that the Islamic council, is requesting that the EHCR look into islamaphobia in the Tory party.

This country is going to the dogs

trisher Tue 28-May-19 17:16:32

How many Hard Left people do you actually know? The ones I have met are friendly not dictatorial and in fact are willing to listen to others. We are talking educated knowledgeable people who have a different perspective on history and sometimes are much better informed than most.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 17:32:35

trisher

I suspect these nice people are not hard left but true thinkers and philosophers and good for them.

I can’t see these people being anti semetic or racist or maybe they have 2 faces.

I couldn’t be friends with racists or bullies from any political persuasion as I suspect you couldn’t either.

But they sure exist.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 17:34:18

is It coincidence that anti semetism and bullying has come sbout since Corbyn became leader?

I knew many miners who were members in the Communist Party and definitely not racist, class war definitely but racism no.

Who / what has brought this about in a party that welcomed
all

Sorry but it stems from Corbyn becoming leader , and the formation of Momentum, is Corbyn fearful ? Is he trapped?

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 17:34:50

And do you think I live in a bubble?

I grew up in Handsworth to working class parents on a council estate in the 70s/80s

What I know about racists and bigots would make your hair curl and I expect in that of the wolfie Smith crew you know.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 17:36:43

Yes agree Annie politics should have no truck with violence of racism. Of any persuasion

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 17:41:32

I feel so sad

trisher Tue 28-May-19 18:03:14

Oh they are hard left Mycatisahacker regularly offer me the Socialist worker are members of a revolutionary socialist group and fund raise for them. I suspect there are more racists and bigots in the centre of all parties than there are on the far left. It's nothing to do with political beliefs really. I've met some when I was teaching.

lemongrove Tue 28-May-19 18:15:26

trisher nobody is saying that all hard left people are disgraceful in their outlook or what they say, but it seems that quite a few are, unfortunately.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 18:20:40

I'm coming to the conclusion that Corbyn is 'not right bright' as we used to say. He has an emotional attachment about the wrongs against the Palestinians (partially true) . But hasn't the flexibility of mind to consider the historical reasons, feelings of Jews etc.
I don't think he's inherently a 'bad' man. Just elected into the wrong job.
But who can replace him?

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 18:44:16

I never said all hard left I said some and defiantly some on the far right.

With respect reading the socialist worker Is very popular amongst students. I used to read it too. grin

They are not the hard left I am talking about

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 19:01:57

Students have always read The Socialist Worker, part of their dreams of becoming a Che Guevara, they get their degree and a good job and then worry they will be taxed unfairly.

trisher Tue 28-May-19 19:02:46

Fennel well I can't understand either so please can you explain to me how the history of the Jews in any way justifies the mistreatment of Palestinian children and the creation of conditions worse than the Middle ages in a country? One would imagine that people who have suffered under despots would have some degree of commitment to human rights for everyone but apparently not the Israeli government.

trisher Tue 28-May-19 19:08:09

These are not "students" except to the extent that they have open minds and listen and learn. Some are working as everything from care assistants to lecturers others are not working. They live fairly alternative lives but they pay taxes.
Strange isn't it you refuse to accept any alternatives to the narrow ideas you have about society. Still I suppose it's an age thing!

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 19:26:25

trisher - I could say so much on this that I don't know where to start. But it's not relevant tom our UK situation.
The main thing - the current Israeli govt. under Netanyahu is rightwing - fairly extreme. That's why they they love Trump.
The leftwing in Israel sympathise with the Palestinians.
But this is a simplistic explanation . There's much more to it than that.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 19:35:19

trisher you are the one with a closed mind, that certainly is clinging to narrow thinking, pity you had to stoop to a bitchy personal comment.

Definition of communism - poverty for all , with some exceptions

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 19:36:12

Annie : 'Diversion , thread title ‘ Labour anti - semetism'

not at all, I am really interested as to why anti-semetism in the LP seems to be so important, and yet Islamophobia in TP seems to be inexistant and/or not important.

They are both sickening- and yet the second is totally ignored. For individuals it may have to do with personal experience- but generally? I have no Jewish relative or close friend, for instance- but many Muslims, who have told me about their experiences, some of which I have witnessed.

trisher Tue 28-May-19 19:38:28

I know all that Fennel I also know that many members of the original group who set up Israel were almost communist and that they opposed the Zionists who gained power. I just don't understand why anyone left or right wing would inflict such punishments. And whilst they behave as they do I, like Corbyn, can only support the oppressed people.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 19:46:18

Me too, but the whole problem came from the misguided 1948 declaration of independence. Which meant well, but disregarded the rights of the Arabs who had lived there originally.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 19:49:56

The British had a lot to do with it as well.

Have you read The Lemon Tree fennel?

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 20:08:38

No I haven't, Whitewave. But I've read a lot, mostly by Jews. about the hundreds of years that Arabs and Jews lived together mostly peaceably in the Holy Land.
I don't like to call it Israel or Palestine.
As they did in the North African countries. Their beliefs and customs aren't far apart.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 20:14:39

It is so sad. Like you I have read the history of that area. That course done by The Holocaust Museum was excellent and taught me a huge amount, not least giving me confidence to criticise the Israeli Government, just as would any government. I am perfectly confident that I can criticise Zionism without it being in any way anti-Semite.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 20:16:47

ps I should say 'we'. I converted to Judaism 30 years ago.
Still puzzling it all out.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 20:21:07

🙂

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 20:21:33

I’m a humanist

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 21:15:28

still I suppose it’s an age thing

What a very strange thing to write on a forum called gransnet grin

trisher Tue 28-May-19 21:32:24

It is the assumption Mycat that the only people who can have communist beliefs must be students and that they will abandon these once they are older. There are older communists of course but they apparently are ignored. I can't think it is anything but an age thing.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 21:39:04

That was one of the things I liked about France - we all lived in a commune so we were all communists. With all the responsibilities and benefits that go with that.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 21:50:50

A very strange thing Mycat perhaps trisher has an age Limit she sets for posters on these tbreads

Pathetic excuse for your offensive personal comment trisher , are you including Corbyn ? He certainly isn’t a young person is he?

trisher Tue 28-May-19 21:58:33

Annie you posted Students have always read The Socialist Worker, part of their dreams of becoming a Che Guevara, they get their degree and a good job and then worry they will be taxed unfairly.
Perhaps you should examine your own prejudices about age. You and others have berated the young and their support for Corbyn many times on GN. Losing your ideals and beliefs just because you are older is very sad.

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 22:07:50

trisher I have not lost my beliefs , hence I left the Labour Party.

I said students read that paper because students was spoken of, I did not say only students read it, you were so eager to insult you didn’t notice that did you ?

GracesGranMK3 Tue 28-May-19 22:14:46

Brilliant to hear this. About time. I am pleased, but not surprised that the LP has welcomed it. I hear there is talk a out a similar move with the Tories and Islamophobia. That would clarify things too.

Dinahmo Tue 28-May-19 22:16:01

Fennel - surely you were a communard - a member of a commune. Not a communist.

Fennel Tue 28-May-19 22:38:29

Yes probably a communard.
So what's the difference?

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 23:45:33

I liked the communards!

Don’t leave me this way! grin

Quite apt for Brexit really

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 23:48:35

tricher

I think it’s fairly common to be a socialist when young and then become more ‘conservative’ as you get older.

When you earn money and pay taxes you are not so happy giving it away grin

I think Kinnock said as much.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 29-May-19 00:55:06

Depends how selfish you become as you get older "Mycat", and how much of a stick in the mud. Both seem to be the characteristics of those who become more Conservative in older age. The changes used to happen by the time you were thirty, if they were going to, I understand. Now, if you are going in that direction it is more generally over fifty. Probably something to do with increased educational opportunities.

Grandad1943 Wed 29-May-19 07:54:47

Far more people retain left-wing thinking throughout their lives in Britain today because of the lack of opportunity and inequality that now exists for so many.

Even those on regular and reasonable wages/salaries have problems getting on the housing ladder. Insecurity in employment is a further factor, and even such matters as gaining a place at the school of choice for your child play heavily into modern day political thinking.

However, in the above situation(s) not all look to the left for solutions to their problems, for as we have all seen some (a small but growing minority) will turn to the hard right for solutions.

In that, the hard right offer seemingly quick, simple and populist solutions to longstanding complex problems and that can be a significant attraction for those who feel that centre political governments have failed them over a protracted period.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 29-May-19 08:55:39

True Grandad1943, although Labour's greatest challenge is how the modernise. They were ahead when they took on supporters, that's for sure. Many people no longer have the tribalism that used to control people.

I can't understand why people vote for the party of excessive wealth when all they have is perhaps a home and a small pension if that. Thatcher's con runs on it seems.

Grandad1943 Wed 29-May-19 10:00:23

GracesGranMK3, i feel the Labour party very much modernised in 2015 as it adopted the structure it now has. That recruited many into the Labour Party as new members but also brought all who had been traditional long-standing affiliate members far more closely into decision making in the party/movement.

The above has been good in my humble opinion, as it has very much broadened the input and policy thinking of the party. However, as Jenney Formby laid out to the National Executive only two months ago, having good control and discipline in an organisation of nearly six and a half million is extremely difficult.

In the above, i refer to those six and a half million as five hundred thousand Actual Labour party members and six million in now very close affiliate membership as Trade Union and Momentum members.

Indeed many argue that the recruitment and restructuring success is at the basis of Labours disciplinary problems.

I am starting work now GracesGranMK3 so will not be able to post again until much later (looking at my desk) hmm but interesting matter you have raised i feel.

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:00:47

Labour has drifted so much it no longer seems to represent the middle ground it used to under Smith, Kinnock, Blaire and Brown. Many labour voters are in despair at Corbyns hopeless leadership.

It’s in the grip of momentum as the Tories are in the grip of the ERG.

Who is going to fill the long term vaccume it won’t be Lib Dem’s.

Scary times I think

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 10:08:16

So grassroots party members - five hundred thousand,

Unions and Momentum members - six million

Explains much

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:15:11

I would have thought the definition of true maturity was to realise communism is hog wash because there is no true functioning non oppressive communist state in the world is there.

Any adult who believes in it is as daft as those who believe in dictatorships.

There’s no difference is there.

trisher Wed 29-May-19 10:32:34

What a pity you don't have a more open mind Larrythecatknowsitall We could take a hard look at capitalism, where people are dying on the streets and hard working families are starving, and reach much the same conclusion. Capitalism only works for some. But I suppose as long as you are part of the "some" and content to have some crumbs whilst others demolish the cake it's OK.

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 10:36:55

Why does it have to be capitalism or communism ?

trisher Wed 29-May-19 10:47:15

That's what you are living under Annie and you don't approve of socialists.

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 10:49:48

I am a socialist trisher I am not a communist

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:56:30

Capitalism only works for some I agree and so does communism.

Usually those who support both ideals live in a democracy. wink

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 10:59:30

Ah but you have to be momentum sort of socialist Annie or you Tony Blaire lover.

You know the most successful labour leader domestically who actually got elected to PM.

POGS Wed 29-May-19 11:07:10

The fact The Equality and Human Rights has launched a formal investigation to determine whether The Labour Party has unlawfully discriminated against, harassed or victimised people because they are Jewish is a culmination of ' years ' of reported cases of antisemitism in the Labour Party by it's own members , councillors and MP's.

For 4 years we on GN antisemitism has provided thread after thread, post after post and I am glad the EHR has opened an investigation.

I take the point the finger is pointed at Islamophobia in the Conservative Party and therefore it may be judicious to do the same with the Conservative Party and it also extend to ALL political Parties.

Antisemitism / Islamophobia if accepted as being an attack on the race/person is not acceptable , end of. It is acceptable to criticise a country and it's governance/actions whether it be of a Jewish/Islamic country.

After 4 years of accusations, denials, evidence from MP's and councillor's made on little old Gransnet , in the Media and from the horses mouth by the Labour MP's in Parliament I hope there is no ' whitewash ' nor cry of a ' whitewash ' by the findings.

LarrythecatknowsitAll Wed 29-May-19 11:11:12

Hear hear POGS

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 12:07:06

If the findings are there is anti semetism in the Labour Party I believe corbynites will still be in denial

jura2 Wed 29-May-19 17:35:50

Being highly critical of Zionism and the subjugation of Palestine, is NOT antisemitic. Some people just refuse to accept that, sadly- and mix the two far too easily.

POGS Wed 29-May-19 18:57:32

Jura

That point has been made on GN for years and never challenged.

Anniebach Wed 29-May-19 19:38:59

Telling a Jewish MP to cut her wrists , and worse, is being critical of Israel, we learn every day !

Anniebach Fri 31-May-19 19:37:48

Who will defend Willsman and claim he is not anti semetic?

Iam64 Fri 31-May-19 20:09:32

Interesting question Anniebach. I listened to the news during a long drive this morning. Ido hope the usual defence of "he was criticising the Israeli government, not being anti semitic" won't be made.

Jura- as POGS says, your point about criticism of the subjugation of Palestine has never been supported in any of the many discussions on the growth of anti semitism that have taken place on this forum. You say in an earlier post that you have no Jewish friends , whereas you do know many Muslims who have experienced Islamophobia. Are you suggesting that the absence of direct experience of racism in all its forms means an individual is unable to either believe in or empathise with those on the receiving end. Like Louise Ellman for example.

jura2 Fri 31-May-19 20:16:12

Not at all- I am just saying that it is 'easier' to emphathise when people close to you have experienced prejudice.
I do have some Jewish friends actually, but they are all more cultural than religious- and totally against Zionism and what is happening in Gaza.

Iam64 Fri 31-May-19 20:26:41

Well that's alright then isn't it! None of my many Jewish friends and colleagues support what is happening in Gaza. Perhaps we can all agree on that one.

Anniebach Fri 31-May-19 20:28:18

Easier to empathise with people close to you?

Didn’t take long for the Zionism excuse to be dragged out,
Last year Willsman said it was Trump, now it’s the Israeli Embassy

Day6 Fri 31-May-19 23:07:54

the far left are nothing like the far right

Hmm. In terms of nastiness, violence and wanting to suppress anyone who holds different views or outlooks, the far left is the twin sibling of the far right. Both are made up of people contemptuous and intolerant of others.

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-19 08:56:51

I agree Day6

GracesGranMK3 Sat 01-Jun-19 10:54:34

It is not a "Zionism" excuse Anniebach - oh you who are without sin.

The man needed to separate the two things, the issues with antisemitism are real across society and so will certainly occur within the LP and need to be properly dealt with. The issues between the LP and right-wing, pro-Israeli groups are also real - or are you saying that no one is manipulating the publicity around all this?

I cannot be the only one who understands - even if I don't approve or agree - why he got it wrong.

I also think that if Labour leaders were treated as a minority you too Anniebach would have to answer to someone somewhere for your attacks - some justified but many repeated and amplified for effect - on JC. No human has ever been blemish free, and I don't think there is anyone who is above the rest of the human beings on here when it comes to getting it wrong, although some are very willing to act as if they are.

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-19 10:59:04

Post not poster

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-19 11:01:51

And I agree , you are not the only one who understands

GracesGranMK3 Sat 01-Jun-19 11:14:24

I would have thought the definition of true maturity was to realise communism is hogwash because there is no true functioning non-oppressive communist state in the world is there

I think that completely erases history Larrythecat. I am not in favour of communism, nor do I want to live in a communist state but I am not currently living in serfdom either and this is where many of the states that move to communism were.

I wonder just how much of the population of the UK feel they are better off under the type of capitalism we have had since Thatcher? Perhaps about half? Everything has to change in order to improve and each improvement brings along its own negative side.

I sometimes wish I could feel I know everything and am always right as some on here seem to feel they do and they are. Sadly, I don't and I'm not so I keep questioning. It's often all you can do sad

trisher Sat 01-Jun-19 11:20:20

There seem to be a lot of people on GN who admit there is a Palestinian problem and who think that in some cases this has become amplified and resulted in anti-semitism. So I would like to ask a question around this. How many posters have actively supported the Palestinian people and particularly those in Gaza in any way? By e-mailing their MP, going on a march or donating to medical help? And is not the real way to combat such anti-semitism to ensure that proper support is given to the Palestinians in any way you can. If people believed that there was real action taking place to prevent the atrocities currently happening their beliefs would be destroyed in a second. And before anyone makes accusations I don't approve of anti-semitism any more than I approve of the actions of Israel which have led to the dreadful situation in Gaza.

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-19 11:31:09

Capitalism brought in Sure Start, minimum wage, new schools and hospitals, tax credits, the human rights act ?

trisher Sat 01-Jun-19 12:17:24

Hang on wasn't it Blair who brought in Sure Start? And hasn't he always claimed to be a Socialist?

Eloethan Sat 01-Jun-19 12:20:07

We have a capitalist system anniebach. In fact capitalism is the most widespread and powerful political system in the world.

It was a brand of socialism, operating under a capitalist system, that brought in the old age pensions, minimum wage, new schools and hospitals, the NHS, tax credits, anti-discrimination laws, etc, etc. It is the Conservative Party, which most closely represents the "unacceptable face of capitalism" (ironically, Ted Heath's quote), that has opposed nearly all, if not all, these measures.

It is the uber capitalist's core reliance on the efficacy of a "supply and demand", "every man for himself", low tax economy that has brought us the degradation of almost every vital service in this country and a great many social ills.

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-19 12:27:38

Yes trisher I too was puzzled that GracesGran referred to capitalism since Thatcher, there was 14 years of socialism between Thatcher and Cameron

trisher Sat 01-Jun-19 12:43:00

I supose that depends on if you believe Tony Blair was ever a socialist many don't. Didn't Margaret Thatcher call Tony Blair and New Labour her greatest achievement?

Anniebach Sat 01-Jun-19 12:45:54

Thatcher said many things, you believe all she said was true ?

Grandad1943 Sat 01-Jun-19 12:56:19

Oh, quotes from Margret Hodge again. So, let's all remind ourselves of the behaviour of Margaret Hodge in recent months.

She was invited to attend a private meeting with Jeremy Corbyn so that all her complaints and concerns in regard to anti-Semitism in the party could be talked over quietly and privately between the two of them.

What did Hodge do with that opportunity, she secretly recorded everything that was said in the hope that Corbyn would say something off the record that could be interpreted as anti-Semitism.

She had told "close Associates" in the party of what she planned to carry out, but one of them exposed her in sheer disgust of her actions following the meeting. However, what has been released of the recording demonstrated that Jeremy Corbyn throughout the meeting tried to talk through the Hodge concerns and address them.

However, how low can this women sink in her attempts to undermine Corbyn, the General Secretary of the party and all who work for them.

In any sector British industry or commerce to covertly record conversations with colleagues is classed as gross misconduct and that person will be dismissed following the appropriate disciplinary procedures.

Hodge should face similar procedures within her Constituency Party, and deselection follow if no credible explanation of her actions is forthcoming.