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Fat people can only exercise naked !

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NanaandGrampy Thu 13-Jun-19 17:08:11

Saw an article in the Telegraph the other day about this :-

www.businessinsider.com/nikes-plus-size-mannequin-is-a-brilliant-business-decision-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

What I found surprising ( or maybe not) was the comments from journalist Tanya Gold in regard to Nike now selling plus sized sports wear .

"The new Nike mannequin is not size 12, which is healthy, or even 16 — a hefty weight, yes, but not one to kill a woman. She is immense, gargantuan, vast. She heaves with fat," Gold wrote.

I'm not posting to get into the usual debate about whether fat people are fat through their own fault instead I'm asking 2 questions.

Firstly, is obesity the last bastion of discrimination. If its not ok to make derogatory comments about culture, colour, race or sexuality is it ok to be abusive about weight?

And secondly, if exercise is good for you , doesn't it make sense that larger people have access to the appropriate clothing to do their exercise in?

Do you think Nike are breaking ground here with their new range ( even if you overlook that its probably an excellent marketing strategy) and that it should be available ?

My other thought was when will women stop tearing other women down. Regardless of size should we , as women, not be supportive of each other ? Or is that based on weight too?

I'm really interested to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

GabriellaG54 Thu 13-Jun-19 17:44:15

I'm happy to support women under 8st. I don't think my arms could bear a heavier weight.

Septimia Thu 13-Jun-19 17:46:18

1. No it's not OK to be abusive about weight - whether v. high or v. low - any more then about the other things.

2. Yes, appropriate exercise clothing for larger people is sensible.

Larger people don't necessarily want to be large but losing weight can be hard. Anything, like suitable clothes, that can help is to be encouraged - and we should encourage people to try to be fitter, not denegrate them.

Elvive Thu 13-Jun-19 17:47:38

larger than what?

Riverwalk Thu 13-Jun-19 17:52:19

I can't read Tanya Gold's full article because it's behind The Telegraph's paywall but I do know she herself is rather large so I doubt she was being nasty or discriminatory.

I got the impression that she thinks Nike are peddling a myth that women can be the size of the mannequin and be healthy.

Elvive Thu 13-Jun-19 17:55:59

Isn't size 16 the average size in the UK? It's hardly a myth.

Loislovesstewie Thu 13-Jun-19 18:31:38

The problem is that too often people feel that they can only go to the gym if they are the right size and already fit. So those who could really do with taking up exercise start off at a disadvantage. And that's before we get to the whole thing of what to wear.

M0nica Thu 13-Jun-19 18:34:31

Actually it is quite possible to be overweight and healthy. DD has been overweight most of her life despite being extremely active and having a healthy diet. We think there may be a genetic element involved because in DH's family there seems to be one member like her every generation.

She is now in her late 40s swims 5 or 6 miles a week, will happily walk for miles and her blood pressure, blood sugar and cholesterol levels are all well below danger levels. It is only her weight that is the problem. When she had a serious accident the doctors looking after her acknowledged that her overall fitness and good health were a major contributor to her good recovery.

NanaandGrampy Thu 13-Jun-19 19:14:28

This is the mannequin in question . Tanya Gold felt that a person the size of this mannequin would be pre diabetic and unable to run.

I can see where she thinks this is a marketing ploy and I am sure that vectored into their decision, after all they’re a business , it’s their job to sell and make money. But I still think that if clothes come in all sizes then why wouldn’t exercise clothes too ?

Gonegirl Thu 13-Jun-19 20:08:58

"or even 16 — a hefty weight"

Whaaat?

Daft cow.

Gonegirl Thu 13-Jun-19 20:10:42

Sensible to supply exercise clothing for fat women. What are they supposed to exercise in? confused

JackyB Thu 13-Jun-19 20:50:16

The mannequin in the picture is just a well-built size 16 or so.

"Heaving with fat" my foot.

PamelaJ1 Fri 14-Jun-19 06:59:38

Question 1- is it discrimination or judgemental?
I think that it’s generally perceived that, on the whole, people are born as themselves. They emerge from the womb into a culture, race or sexuality and, in most cases,
don’t deviate much.
So, no it’s not OK to be abusive but to have an opinion is inevitable.
Obese people are seen to have brought fat upon themselves so there is a difference on how they are judged.

Question 2- I’d like to say that I’ve never bought exercise clothing but I have got, some cheap cutoff leggings that I wear for tennis and exercise class along with a T-shirt.
I’m quite slim but wouldn’t be seen dead in that exercise gear. At my age the wobbly bits would be escaping through the gaps. “O
If larger people want to waste their money it’s their choice.

Esspee Fri 14-Jun-19 07:07:51

Sorry, that outfit is obscene and I'm a size 16.

Grammaretto Fri 14-Jun-19 07:35:37

I agree that obese people are discriminated against .
Ofcourse in an ideal world there should be clothes to fit everyone, and shoes and hats.
The mannequin pictured is hardly obese.
When I was a child I had a foster mother who was too fat for off the peg clothes so she made her own. She made my clothes too and my dolls' clothes.
She introduced my sister and I to the world of self sufficiency.

polnan Fri 14-Jun-19 09:54:24

It is not just women, human beings are abusive to human beings... deep sighs from me!

Gonegirl Fri 14-Jun-19 10:03:39

That model is no 16. grin More like a 20.

Can't see that it's obscene though. It covers as much of her up as the slimmer model next to her, and no doubt it's the same material.

Purplepoppies Fri 14-Jun-19 10:04:11

I agree this is horrible fat shaming. Not acceptable. Of course women, and men, of all shapes and sizes should have access to sports wear and the gym to improve your fitness. It makes sense.
But on GN and MN there is an awful lot of body shaming, be it about size, choice of body modification or clothing!!! I dislike it all tbh.

jaylucy Fri 14-Jun-19 10:14:45

It's about time that "fitness clothing" was made for people over a size 18 - what people are expected to wear to exercise in, to lose weight I have no idea !
As for discriminating against "fat" people- I once went for a job interview at a hospital and the woman in charge said that maybe the job (admin) would not be suitable for some of us as it was only a small office and 2 people needed to work there , so she would be happy if we would like to leave now ( there were 3 of us that were above a size 12) we all stuck it out and were taken to an office similar in size to where we'd be working - both girls already working there were the same size as me!

moorlikeit Fri 14-Jun-19 10:37:53

Shaming people never works so maybe a more positive approach will have a better effect.

Margs Fri 14-Jun-19 10:52:13

Yes, in all adverts for Gym & Fitness centres the "typical" clients in the photos all look like dead ringers for the entire cast of "Friends"!

Not a spare ounce of fat, Hollywood teeth & hair and no-one over 29......

Minerva Fri 14-Jun-19 11:40:39

I don’t know who Tanya Gold is but I’m not surprised since she writes for the Telegraph.

I’m a size 14/16, 5ft9in tall and very slim so calling size 16 ‘hefty’ is silly for a start.

I go to the gym and we have loads of larger ladies there, needing bigger sizes of gym wear and I think they will love to be able to buy proper gym clothes rather than having to wear a baggy tee shirt and leggings. I know Adidas are not producing clothes to fit the mannequin out of the kindness of their heart but bully for them anyway.

I don’t know who Tanya Gold is but I’m not surprised since she writes for the Telegraph.

I’m a size 14/16, 5ft9in tall and very slim so calling size 16 ‘hefty’ is silly for a start.

I go to the gym and we have loads of larger ladies there, needing bigger sizes of gym wear and I think they will love to be able to buy proper gym clothes rather than having to wear a baggy tee shirt and leggings. I know Adidas are not producing clothes to fit the mannequin out of the kindness of their heart but bully for them anyway.

Does Ms. Gold mean that larger woman going to the gym appropriately dressed is going to make us slimmer beings think, what’s the point in keeping slim since I can buy plus size gym gear. How silly is that.

My daughter had a serious accident and the immobility for the best part of three years and the effect of the medication left her overweight and she was too embarrassed to go exercising. Fat shaming is just nasty whether it’s men or women.

Minerva Fri 14-Jun-19 11:41:20

I don’t know what happened there but apologies🙁

FC61 Fri 14-Jun-19 12:02:03

Ofcourse larger people should have access to the appropriate clothing to do their exercise in ! Well done Nike ! Inclusive not exclusive! I loathe abusive people doesn’t matter what it’s about , fat, age, race, gender.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 12:10:11

GabriellaG54 {grin] grin grin

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 12:11:14

P.S. GabriellaG54. I am supporting one woman over 7st. yes... me....

willa45 Fri 14-Jun-19 14:06:54

I agree with others here that Ms Gold's comments were judgmental and that she body shamed large women everywhere. Shame on her!

Having said that, I did find Nike's mannequin display to be condescending. Why? Because the underlying message is this .... "We can tell you are exceptionally large, so in order for the world to know how sensitive we are to your condition, we are displaying this over sized mannequin in your image, wearing these very large leggings so that everyone can see how big they are and that we had to make them especially for you!"

So, yes it's a good marketing strategy because of it's shock value and that's the other thing that's disturbing. It would be the same as if the now defunct Victoria's Secret were to promote a Mastectomy bra by creating a mannequin with a missing or lopped breast. The outcry would probably create enough publicity to sell millions of bras! Nike's mannequin will likely sell plenty of leggings but I for one will not be buying any.

Day6 Fri 14-Jun-19 14:57:09

I have often wondered why women starting out on a fitness regime (if they are overweight) feel the need to wear sports clothing - ie- stretchy Lycra, which is figure-hugging and shows every bulge, lump and bump. It isn't flattering. I watched a very big woman huff and puff, red faced, around the park. She drew attention to herself as she wore a sports bra which unfortunately meant her several rolls of abdomen flab were on show. Her huge thighs were highlighted by leggings which were so tightly stretched over her ample thighs and bottom that they were almost transparent. shock

It is not a good look and it couldn't have been comfortable either. I may be speaking only for myself but I really wouldn't want to draw attention to my (unfit) efforts looking like that.

I am not criticising the woman, (good on her for exercising) just their choice of exercise gear. I am another who huffs and puffs on exertion and I have a supply of loose, baggy T shirts and cotton (tapered) trousers for my exercise sessions. The sportiest I get is to wear my trainers!

I do not want to add to my rather unflattering look when I start to get red and sweat. I would look hideous in sports gear.

However, I am aware we should not criticise our sisters in their efforts to get fit - so to each their own, but I shan't go anywhere near Lycra and tight skinny clothing until I have less flab on my body.

Day6 Fri 14-Jun-19 14:58:31

Erm - re above - not a sports bra, more a Lycra crop top.

Day6 Fri 14-Jun-19 15:07:23

But I still think that if clothes come in all sizes then why wouldn’t exercise clothes too ?

I just do not see the need for tight, stretchy fabrics on large women.

Why? Why anything clingy? It's a fad. I know fabrics today absorb sweat, allow air in, etc, but so does a good old loose fitting cotton T shirt which also hides the flab.

I know we women have become completely brazen of late wink so we shouldn't body shame, when a huge woman strips down to a bikini. I wish I had that self-confidence, but with the best will in the world, an overweight body, flesh on show, is not a pretty sight.

I also know we are supposed to love ourselves, but personally I think it's a huge commercial con to sell skin tight sports garments to the overweight.

People tend to buy into these fads too.

I can burn just as many calories in clothes that don't hug my body.

In fact, I ought to go and market my more flattering sports wear for the fat woman/man.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 15:29:03

The mannequin looks reasonably strong to me, like the disc and javelin throwers used to look. They are fit, just bigger. I think the idea of weight and size is misunderstood and makes a lot of people unhappy.

Obviously too much fat and an unhealthy diet is very bad. (I'm not a good example I admit). But as MOnica points out, some people are bigger and remain very healthy. This truly is a "one size fits all" situation that has gone wrong!!

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 15:35:49

willa45. I wonder if it will put people off buying the leggings? Seeing the look of them stretched large - even if a person is that size, might make some people think they don't want to look like that?
I would never display my body in so little clothing anyway - not at my age.

On the other hand, the advert I saw on TV for clothes for all shapes and sizes did cheer me up a bit. The clothes seemed pretty and cheerful and the live models were a variety of shapes and some quite large sizes and they looked very nice in the Summer clothes.

Tillybelle Fri 14-Jun-19 15:40:07

Sorry me again but just thought - have we said it before? - The news ladies, Weather, most adverts, and usually actresses in different types of dramas etc on TV are hardly ever fat or even a bit larger than slim. There are one or two - but the women appearing on my little screen do not by any means represent a cross-section of the sizes of women in the city street near me.

Rosina Fri 14-Jun-19 17:11:09

I am all for 'normal' women modelling clothing; as others have said size 16 is the standard size in this country, but I did have difficulty with a recent set of photos on the M and S site. I was looking for a raincoat (organising myself for the summer, and how sensible that was!) and saw a raincoat that possibly might have been the right one, but the model was so truly enormous that it wasn't possible to discern the style very well - if there was a belt, it had disappeared between her bust and hips, and I really couldn't get much of an idea of the overall design. She must have been about size 26 at the very least. All power to M and S for having models in all shapes and sizes, and this is no criticism, merely a comment.

rockgran Fri 14-Jun-19 17:29:27

Apart from a decent bra why does anyone really need expensive sportswear? A teeshirt and loose trousers would do surely! (To be fair - I'm unlikely to run unless chased by a bull!)

NanaandGrampy Fri 14-Jun-19 17:38:12

Only way I'd over take you rockgran was if that bull was chasing us both lol !!

I wonder if it makes people feel they are fitting in more in a gym environment?

petra Fri 14-Jun-19 18:14:32

NanaandGrampy
The fitting more in a gym.
My daughter has a personal trainer come to her house.
On the day the trainer comes she starts off her day by putting her Lycra on. She says it puts her in the frame of mind.
I must add that she's just about size 10 but feels unfit.

Elvive Fri 14-Jun-19 22:11:47

Nice.

MrsAllboys Fri 14-Jun-19 22:37:06

I don’t know about the special gym wear, that’s probably personal choice but I do think that strong ‘sports bras’ should be easily accessible in larger sizes (eg 40 upwards). There are lots up to 36 (often with very big cup size) but not seen ones for, dare I say it, “fatter” ladies. How on earth are they supposed to do all these keep fit excercises or gym workouts without proper ‘support’ ? There are many heavier ladies who would be keen to exercise if they could have a decent sports bra to support their boobs while running or jumping around.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:12:27

I agree that the supposedly size 16 model is nearer a size 20.
She looks like an overstuffed sausage about to split the casing.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:19:14

I buy my sports bras from Bravissimo or independent retailers who sell Prima Donna. 36GG. About £40-65. No movement at all and super comfy.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:34:15

Tillybelle

🏋️‍♀️ 🤭😂

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:38:24

MrsAllboys
Here you are. Latest Bravissimo catalogue.
Both up to 40 with various cup sizes.
Many more online at Bravissimo.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:44:24

MrsAllboys
Here's one from the High Summer Bravissimo catalogue. Many more online.

GabriellaG54 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:45:53

Oops! Didn't think first one sent. blush

Evie64 Fri 14-Jun-19 23:59:34

Basically I think it always seems to be down to slim women fat shaming fat women. It's as if they are saying, "well I'm not fat so why should you be"? Everybody is different, we all have a different genetic make up. We all have unique metabolisms. We all age differently. I had been slim my whole life. When I reached an early menopause I began taking HRT and it suited. My GP said after I'd been on it for many years that I should stop taking it as it was increasing my risk of breast cancer considerably. I duly stopped taking it. I continued to eat healthily, go for our usual long walks, exercise in the sense that I cleaned our 3 bedroomed house from top to bottom every week. Continued working full time in a high pressured job. And guess what? I piled the weight on despite no change to my lifestyle! I am now what is classed as obese and am really sad about it. No amount of diets have helped. I have tried, and continue to try and lose weight but to no avail. So, please you other women, don't fat shame me and others like me. This is crap enough without sisters shaming me. Its time we started sticking up for each other regardless of size, colour, creed or anything else that is not what modern society considers "normal". Sorry for rant. sad

willa45 Sat 15-Jun-19 01:39:09

Tillybelle and others....
I have definitely been put off by Nike's latest marketing stunt. Like most women in the US and UK, I am a size 16 and I wouldn't be caught in that mannequin's plus size outfit if they paid me.

Manufacturers need to focus on women's various figure types as well as the larger sizes. That's because some of us have big bottoms and others have big boobs, regardless of what size dress we wear.

The skin tight, Lycra leggings on the mannequin were not attractive in the least....leggings with a softer fit and a little more 'give' would be just as comfortable and smarter looking.
With the midriff exposed, the form fitting leggings actually brought out the bum and thigh area all the more, making everything appear bigger and wider. A waist length camisole (with built in sports bra) would have been a lot more flattering.

In my view, it appears that Nike has designed a clothing line that actually brings out a woman's worse figure flaws.

absent Sat 15-Jun-19 05:39:34

Of course no one – whatever size – has to wear Nike products to exercise. There are lots of natural fabric garments available that are much cheaper and in a wide range of sizes. Just because bronzed, fit and lycra-clad young things sport so-called designer wear in the gym doesn't mean everyone else has to. However, I would make a guess that if you are feeling flabby, fat or obese, the last thing you need is a trim, smartly clad, smart-mouthed twenty-something sneering.

Good luck to all women who want to exercise, whether that is because they are overweight, because they want to remain or become more supple, or just because they enjoy it.

For the sensitive, I would recommend swimming because it uses pretty much all the body without straining it – and nobody can see your body properly when it is under the water. You can wrap a towel around you when you get out of the pool.

Ironmaiden Sat 15-Jun-19 07:54:05

It’s a plus size mannequin and it is dressed in exercise gear. I think that’s fantastic. It has curves in all the right places, unlike me so I’m quite envious of women who are that shape.

oldgimmer1 Sat 15-Jun-19 08:19:00

Doubt there's a hidden agenda.

Businesses are in it to make money. If it sells, good.

No-one has to buy.

(Personally, I wouldn'tgrin).

Glammy57 Sat 15-Jun-19 10:46:28

rockgran. - I totally agree: loose clothing, good sports bra and a comfy pair of trainers!

Anja Sat 15-Jun-19 11:17:27

Sorry, this is just my personal opinion but this recent spate of adverts showing grossly overweight young women shaking their bits around in swimwear makes me cringe.

It was especially awful when this advert followed an appeal showing starving children in Yemen.

Anja Sat 15-Jun-19 11:19:43

Of course if they are going to exercise that is A Good Thing
they do need appropriate clothing

jocork Sat 15-Jun-19 15:33:07

About 20 years ago I was referred to the gym by my doctor because of high blood pressure and reluctantly decided to go. It was paid for by the NHS so cost wasn't putting me off - it was the thought of all the 'lycra lovelies' I expected to be there. In fact in the day time sessions there were lots of older people as well as people my own age, many like me referred by their GP. None of us wore skin tight exercise gear. I went in leggings and a baggy polo shirt - comfortable and loose enough to keep cool. I did get fitter and my blood pressure dropped but I lost no weight at all despite attending regularly and gradually increasing the amount of exercise I did. My personal trainer's comment - "Well 2 out of 3 ain't bad!" Exercising made me hungry so I guess that's why I didn't lose any weight.

I've now lost about 3 stones, partly as a result in a change to my medication meaning I don't retain as much fluid. Once the fluid retention was reduced ordinary movement became less painful and I'm now much more active. Swollen legs and ankles encourage a couch potato lifestyle as even walking can be painful especially in hot weather. My kids bought me a fitbit which has helped too as I gave up the gym when I started working again.

Personally I don't think skin tight sportswear is suitable for larger women. It isn't flattering, and comfortable loose casual clothing is perfectly suitable.

I do think there is way too much fat shaming though. I've always struggled with my weight and still could do with losing quite a few stones more, but my priority is staying reasonably active and eating healthily. I'm due to retire next year and perhaps will have time to get a bit more exercise although since getting the fitbit my daily steps have approximately tripled from what they were.

I no longer leave things on the stairs to take up when I have to go and can't avoid it. Now I take things up and see it as a positive reason to move. I walk to places where I used to drive, and when I drive I park further away from my destination to get a short walk in. I think weight is far less important than fitness and activity level.

It's high time we stopped assuming that everyone who is overweight is a lazy glutton who ate all the pies and accept that we are all different. Some of us have medical conditions that make weight loss more difficult and we need to support each other not be so quick to criticise.

humptydumpty Sat 15-Jun-19 15:51:34

The mannequin pictured is hardly obese

Sorry but I have to disagree - there's out-of-shape and there's obese - and she looks obese to me..

Johno Sat 15-Jun-19 16:43:11

I do not accept the so-called "Hate Speech" should be legislation. I can distinguish between people who are different for whatever characteristic. This is not unlawful. If I make a chair from thin wood knowing it will break if a person of a particular weight it is not unlawful for me to distinguish said person cannot be allowed to sit on it. I can say: "Your too fat you will break it". Nike have simply identified (distinguished) large people from less big people.
Is it right I should be squashed up by a very large person, during a long flight? what about my comfort?

GabriellaG54 Sat 15-Jun-19 19:24:21

Minorities again.

Elvive Sat 15-Jun-19 20:52:27

Are you a majority?

GabriellaG54 Sun 16-Jun-19 07:41:56

Yes indeed. I'm one of the majority who wouldn't want to be squashed up against a much larger person on a flight or coach/bus. Someone whose body overflowed onto my seat and took over the armrest.
I stand corrected if I'm wrong and you can show that the majority of 'flyers' actually don't mind and never complain about sharing their paid-for seat, either on bus, coach or aircraft, with half of someone else.
From my own experience and that of others writing in the comments section of online news articles, my initial assertion is correct.

BradfordLass72 Mon 17-Jun-19 06:07:31

Firstly, is obesity the last bastion of discrimination. If its not ok to make derogatory comments about culture, colour, race or sexuality is it ok to be abusive about weight?

Not quite, there's a lot of bigotry directed at the Rainbow community but as a fat woman I certainly get a lot directed at me. Mainly for the assumption I must sit watching TV and eating cream cakes and pies!! grin

These days I don't even bother to argue but in the old days I may have pointed out I don't have a TV, am gluten free (therefore cake and pie free too) and a gym member. But then I realised I don't need to justify myself to morons.

And secondly, if exercise is good for you , doesn't it make sense that larger people have access to the appropriate clothing to do their exercise in?

When I wrote my first book in 1998 about health at any size and staying healthy (which, incidentally has nothing to do with being a size 12) I put forward this idea to several leisure-wear manufacturers. You should have heard their reactions - from hysterical laughter to repulsion.
Not one was positive.
Hence they lost out on many thousands of dollars worth of business.

Riverwalk Mon 17-Jun-19 07:11:45

On the day the trainer comes she starts off her day by putting her Lycra on. She says it puts her in the frame of mind.

Petra that is so true - I used to walk in old grey joggers and a t-shirt but would never do that now as the feeling of 'zest' hits as soon as I get into my expensive colourful gear and bouncy Skechers. I'm convinced it makes me walk further!

Peonyrose Mon 17-Jun-19 07:25:07

I think the adverts glorifying being obese as wrong, as I would clothing for those suffering with anorexia. There is nothing attractive in it, it's a medical problem. I don't want half a seat on a bus, train or plane, who would. I have Arthritus in my spine, to sit for hours with someone half sitting on me, is agony. People don't get to double their size if they don't eat too much, it's not possible.

Elvive Mon 17-Jun-19 08:43:29

So what? How unbelievably rude. I expect they are poor people who are well known for their desire to eat fast food and can't be bothered to cook.

NanaandGrampy Mon 17-Jun-19 08:59:44

So , the conversation moves to having half a seat on a train or plane or bus...so logically thinking then is it not the best idea that people who are overweight are encouraged to become more healthy and by default if having clothing that makes them feel inclusive when exercising not a good thing?

oldgimmer1 Mon 17-Jun-19 11:18:09

@anja I too cringe at that advert and will probably be flamed for it.

However I think there's a subtle difference between Nike advertising appropriate clothing for exercise and the ad I'm thinking about (a Simply Be one I think, with various women jumping around in swimming outfits)?

Nike ad showing clearly obese woman- encouraging women to exercise (good!)
Simply Be ad - normalising obesity (not good).

Elvive Mon 17-Jun-19 12:17:28

Why do you cringe?

NanaandGrampy Mon 17-Jun-19 14:02:28

It’s funny isn’t it that as we become more inclusive as a society and regularly see people with disabilities on television and the media how we don’t ‘cringe’ at them ?

It wasn’t a million years ago that children with Downs Syndrome for instance were expected to amount to nothing and in some cases were hidden away .

Is obesity the new ‘cringe worthy’ thing? Should fat people be hidden away?

I’m not sure I agree that the Simply Be advert is normalising obesity or glorifying obesity. Fat people need clothes too ! It just seems to me to be saying even fat people want swimsuits and sundresses and beach wear so we cater for them as well . I think it bears thought that people who take larger size clothes have a VERY limited choice of shops in which to buy clothes.

It’s all very well saying obesity is bad and slimness is good but you can’t go from one to the other without time passing , it’s not an overnight fix , so what do you wear in the meantime to help you get from a to b ?

willa45 Mon 17-Jun-19 14:13:20

Personally, I believe it's about self esteem and how women feel about their bodies.
I wouldn't want to be seen in an outfit like the one Nike is promoting and if that was my only choice, I wouldn't go to the gym at all. It's a lovely look for those who have flat tummy's and perfect dress sizes. When I exercise I wear clothes that are comfortable AND flattering.