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I despise Yaxley Lennon

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Lessismore Sat 06-Jul-19 15:26:13

and all he stands for. I seriously cannot believe there are genuine people on this forum who appear to think otherwise.

merlotgran Sat 06-Jul-19 15:30:46

Who is Yaxley Lennon?

MawBroonsback Sat 06-Jul-19 15:32:08

Why do we need a second thread about this obnoxious creature.confused
I am assuming OP realises that this is Tommy Robinson’s real name?

(PS, sadly, Lessismore I think there are some. )

petra Sat 06-Jul-19 15:33:35

Why have you started another thread when you could have contributed to the one that's running?

merlotgran Sat 06-Jul-19 15:34:04

Oh him!

I don't bother reading anything about TR so didn't know it's the same person.

merlotgran Sat 06-Jul-19 15:34:25

Or I wouldn't have bothered with this thread grin

Lessismore Sat 06-Jul-19 15:37:44

Why do I have to be accountable to you petra?

I am stunned by some of the comments on the other thread.

Blinko Sat 06-Jul-19 16:13:48

Lessismore, of course we will get contributors who think like TR. That doesn't surprise me; it's what you get in a public forum. It does provide the opportunity to challenge those views, though.

For instance, it's clear that most of them don't understand what is meant by contempt of court, and their hero's actions could have seen the groomers and rapists set free.

Remarkable though that may seem to those of us who actually think things through.

Blinko Sat 06-Jul-19 16:15:59

Sorry, ...and that their hero's actions...

GracesGranMK3 Sat 06-Jul-19 16:26:18

I am stunned by some of the comments on the other thread. (Sat 06-Jul-19 15:37:44)

There is not much point in being "stunned" Lessismore these people and their way of both looking at things and speaking about them exist. I have seen much worse elsewhere. I would bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of Yaxley-Lennon supporters voted to leave (although not all leave voters are YL supporters).

They do have a right to their view but they do not have a right to break the law.

Lessismore Sat 06-Jul-19 16:33:58

Yes, of course they exist. It still comes as a shock to me that people feel able to come out with this vile stuff. I naively thought this site was inhabited by civilised people.

eazybee Sat 06-Jul-19 17:44:23

Goodness me.(Previous thread)

I would bet a pound to a penny that the vast majority of Yaxley-Lennon supporters voted to leave (although not all leave voters are YL supporters)
Unnecessary comment, GracesGran.

Johno Sun 07-Jul-19 06:43:07

Tommy is brilliant. The common trend with people who despise him is that they never say why and can never back up the reasons why with evidence. Ok we are free to dislike whomever we choose but it seems odd to have such hatred for a person and then I suppose go on to cite how we must all stop HATE SPEECH. I bet you dont even know how/why the EDL was started?

Johno Sun 07-Jul-19 06:47:04

He did nothing more than what the BBC was doing outside the court. I know exactly what contempt of court is. But look how personal you people are? You are actually personally attacking others for expressing the view that they support Tommy. I do support him and I do NOT attack people who do not support him, I will challenge the supposed "facts" they cite but that is not a personal insult.

Johno Sun 07-Jul-19 06:53:28

So - are you actually saying that people who choose to support a man who put the serious criminal offences - thousands of rapes and torture of young white girls - in the public domain ate NOT CIVILISED??? So you think I am uncivilised, a man you have never met and know nothing about. Can you not see the "hate speech" you are spouting?? This is laughable. I do NOT consider you "uncivilised" yet I easily could because of what you say about me. . . a man you know nothing about. Tell me why the EDL was started... I bet you can not?

Johno Sun 07-Jul-19 06:59:27

Blinko - you think I don't "think things through"? I can assure you I have thoroughly scrutinised every single action to do with Yaxley-Lennon, from day one up to today. So tell me why the EDL was formed? Tell me why the BBC did what Y-L did and no action was taken? Tell me why hundreds of people, a violent mob, attacked Y-L and peaceful supporters during a lawful election campaign and were literally ASSISTED by the police. Its on video. They threw rocks and scissors and would while the police stood and watched and actually assisted them. Do you think that is OK?

Oldwoman70 Sun 07-Jul-19 07:31:40

Johno you keep asking if we know why the EDL was formed, why not tell us?

Cherrytree59 Sun 07-Jul-19 08:40:22

Johno why the DPRK statemen???

Oldwoman70 Sun 07-Jul-19 09:33:59

I see Johno hasn't responded to the various requests to inform us as to why the EDL was formed - I actually do know but I am now wondering if he does

Urmstongran Thu 11-Jul-19 11:40:42

9 month jail sentence handed down today at Leeds Crown Court. Good.

Apparently he will be out in 10 weeks though.
🙁

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 11:51:32

10 weeks on licence.
Eddie Gilfoyle was released on licence 9 years ago after serving a sentence of 18 years for a murder he didn't commit. That licence has never been lifted to this day.

I await the outcome of TR's licence status after 10 weeks.

LadyGracie Thu 11-Jul-19 12:19:40

It’s a joke, you could get a lesser sentence for committing murder!

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 12:30:04

LadyGracie, a lesser sentence than 10 weeks for committing a murder ??

LadyGracie Thu 11-Jul-19 12:35:49

No he’s been sentenced to 9 months. If he’s out in 10 weeks that’s one of the many faults in our ‘cocked up’ judicial system!

WadesNan Thu 11-Jul-19 12:38:45

LadyGracie "It’s a joke, you could get a lesser sentence for committing murder!" Really - please supply evidence of where a convicted murderer received a sentence of less than 9 months

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 12:46:23

It takes longer than 9 months to get a charge overturned even if there's proof of a MOJ once a case has been to the CPS and finally the CCRC ( the " not fit for purpose " organisation )

GracesGranMK3 Thu 11-Jul-19 13:05:56

Let me help with this EDL question. It is a single issue movement which targets Islam and, as a consequence, Muslims. It was founded in 2009 as a coalescence of several football hooligan firms protesting against the public appearance of a small Salafi Muslim group in Luton. It follows in the footsteps of the previous "Paki-bashing" groups of the far right. It has a strong presence on line but started to decline around 2011.

Ideological, the EDL has little clarity, with no specific goals, policies or manifesto.

quizqueen Thu 11-Jul-19 13:33:11

How can the bringing to the attention of the public the fact that young girls have been groomed and raped by certain sections of our society and that the police did nothing for years be a bad thing. There are two lots of people who should be in prison for this crime- the rapists and some of the police, not Tommy Robinson.

Firecracker123 Thu 11-Jul-19 13:41:33

quizqueen I agree double standards I think.

suziewoozie Thu 11-Jul-19 13:56:11

I have to say quizqueen and Firecracker that your lack of understanding of the law of contempt and the dangers of TR’s behaviour to the victims getting justice leaves me truly amazed.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 14:00:28

He’s got 9 months I think.

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 14:03:17

Where are the vile comments relating to those standing outside schools intimidating staff who are trying to teach that there are more than one facet to humanity.
Does YL and his cohorts do anything more intimidatory?

Do those who consider him vile do so because he has tried to publicise grooming?
Is it because he does not condone Halal slaughter and this meat presented in schools?
Is it because he is intolerant of forced marriage?
Is it because of ritual slaughter (Eid al Adha)
Is it because of the application of Sharia law within a specific community?
Is it because of ritual circumcision?
Is it because of some extreme views which sees non believers as ‘kafir’ and therefore unworthy of life?

Do you consider that these cultural and religious differences are part of what comprise a certain community and are therefore should just be regarded as cultural differences of no significance. Obviously YL finds the above concerning, enough for him to try and bring his (and others) concerns to the media arena. If his concerns are irrelevant to you or the fear of dealing with them is so great then of course you shoot the messenger.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 14:08:34

I at least have the ability to remain open-minded about all this instead of joining the ranks of the otherwise fanatical-induced views of others.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 14:12:28

joelsnan you speak of him as if he is a rational law abiding individual without a violent bone in his body.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 14:15:26

bringing to the attention of the public

The public knew, please do not try to make us think he helped in any way.

JN, your comments are beyond the pale, but I guess at least it's out there for everybody to see.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 14:17:33

Yes, he's a violent man, but so were many of those that he rallied against ?

GillT57 Thu 11-Jul-19 14:29:45

It is too exhausting to try and explain yet again what crimes TR committed firecracker and quizqueen and you would likely dismiss the truth anyway. The more I read of people who are stupid enough to support this nasty violent criminal,the more I realise why Brexit is happening. This country has lost its wits and fallen under the spell of collective madness where TR and Farage are 'good blokes' where Johnson, 'tells it like it is' where Widdecombe is admired for being a shrieking intolerant harridan where moronic people discuss, without knowing how the diplomatic service even works, the possibility of Farage as US ambassador. It is like living through some nightmare where facts are dismissed as fake, where previously expected standards of behaviour are over ridden just as long as the loud minority get what their masters have told them they want

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 14:44:39

gill57 collective madness. But one that they genuinely believe. There will be books and books written about this and keep psychologists busy for years.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 14:45:59

But Corbyn is horrible and a Marxist.

( thought I'd get in first)

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 15:06:53

Whiewavemark2
joelsnan you speak of him as if he is a rational law abiding individual without a violent bone in his body

Where have I stated that?
I have acknowledged on the other thread he has a violent streak. But my point is has any direct violence been attributed to his Islamophobia? I think most is football related. I am happy to be corrected.

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 15:11:43

Lessismore
JN, your comments are beyond the pale, but I guess at least it's out there for everybody to see.

Please elaborate on your above comment, I am very interested to understand what you consider to be beyond the pale. It is all very well making rash statements, now please validate.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:17:20

Yardley-Lennon is going to prison because broke the law and is therefore a criminal. I worry that people with the ignorance of the law that some show on here will find themselves on the wrong side of it with the attitudes they profess.

GillT57 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:23:59

joelsnan you do come across as seeing TR as some kind of folk hero. We don't need him and his moronic followers to list the allegations against Islam, we already have The Daily Mail and the Daily Express to do that. But you will know that because it looks as if that is where you get your political and social information from.

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 15:26:01

I don’t give a ‘Tinkers Toss’ about YL and his friends, However what prompted me to contribute to this thread is the absolute double standards being expressed on these threads. An apparent purveyor of hate speech is condemned by hate speech, most not taking time to research and understand, most attaching a generalist racist mantle without recognising the specifics. Most who are quick to attach derogatory terms to anyone who may challenge their ‘rightness’ ‘Must be far right’, ‘must be Brexiteers’, ‘must be racist’ etc. etc. Who is talking hate?

Firecracker123 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:32:05

I'm not a supporter of Tommy Robinson but I agree with a lot of his views re Islam. I agree with Joelnan.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:32:51

In that case joelsnan you aren’t making yourself clear.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:35:31

Where is there hate speech on this thread Joelsnan? I am prepared to report it if you point it out as I am quite sure it is outside GN rules. On the other hand, if you cannot or do not point to the post containing this, I will report you for accusing posters of such heinous things without being able to show any example.

Firecracker123 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:40:18

GracesGran are you for real what a silly post how ridiculous.

GillT57 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:42:36

Actually joelsnan if you take the time to read the posts you will see that most people have read and researched this, and some have had the misfortune to deal professionally with victims of rape( not calling it child abuse, in law it is rape). The irritation and anger is directed at those who have supported this man and swallowed the swill and propaganda spouted by his supporters, by some areas of the press, by people like Katy Hopkins. It is generally acknowledged that the Police and social services performed badly,very badly in many cases,but thr idiotic behaviour of TR would have made it even worse for the victims had the defence won their appeals. Like Farage, this right wing moron is out for himself and nobody else. We are living in frightening times

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 15:43:39

GillT57
Where do you get that idea from. Just because I challenge people?
I had a big fall out with my son (now deceased) who wanted to go to a TR march.. I lived in a muslim country for many years and understand the true faith. I recognise the distortions of the faith. I know the majority are probably better people than many indigenous people, however in knowing this I know that for the sake of the quiet majority, who cannot speak out for cultural and community reasons, some malpractice has to be called out and addressed. TR (YL) has clumsily attempted to do this, his actions are often stupid and ill thought. But are they worse than that?
If so I am happy to be enlightened, not with the fact that he has been to jail for fraud, for using a false passport or football violence. I want to know the real reason he is regarded as vile.

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 15:49:24

GG3
We don't need him and his moronic followers to list the allegations against Islam
A response to an earlier post.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 11-Jul-19 15:56:28

So are you saying you agree with his racism then Firecracker? Accessing a whole race or faith on the basis of the behaviour of some of that race or faith would certainly be a prejudice that, depending on what was suggested, and I believe TR's suggestions are radical, could be breaking the law - as could repeating them.

He is a criminal (actually not just me saying). He is very good at cultivating an image of victim-hood and martyrdom which is very appealing to the far-right. Tommy Robinson can act as he does because of a social climate of fear more acceptability create by the likes of Boris Johnson and his letterbox comment. That and the tabloid newspaper's promotion of anti-immigration stories my make this sort of comment seem more acceptable but no laws have changed.

Personally, I will stand up for our "British" values that tell me the person next to me, however they define themselves, is always equal to me.

Beckett Thu 11-Jul-19 16:04:43

I think people are losing sight of the fact that he has been jailed for contempt of court - not for his political views. It doesn't matter who or why he filmed the defendants - in doing so he broke the law.

Labaik Thu 11-Jul-19 16:06:45

TR's followers have destroyed all of SODEM's flags etc. at Westminster [SODEM and Steve being the most gentle natured of protesters]. Have attacked the police also I believe. What is happening to this country? It truly terrifies me....

Firecracker123 Thu 11-Jul-19 16:07:12

No I'm saying I agree with some of his views.

Re Boris and his letter box comment well he has a point.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 16:10:16

labaik just seen it on twitter. What is happening is truly terrifying. They are attacking television crews as well.

If anyone wants to know they are trying to raise money to replace everything that was smashed.

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 16:13:03

Labaik
Were these protesters specifically defining themselves as TR followers or were they Brexit voters? (Your SODEM post)

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 16:14:24

TR supporters. They are all over twitter

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 16:25:53

I am all for " calling out" wrong doing, especially where abuse is concerned. I have not failed to see that a number of high profile cases have involved members of BME communities.

Calling out/drawing attention to/fighting for the vulnerable is admirable.

Using abuse victims to stir up anti Muslim feeling and potentially ruin a court case is not admirable.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 16:45:55

Changed your minds yet, all you Brexiteers ?

Joelsnan Thu 11-Jul-19 16:55:13

Lessismore
Using abuse victims to stir up anti Muslim feeling and potentially ruin a court case is not admirable

I think the anti feelings are directed towards the abusers. I think just like you and I the majority of society do not blame all Muslims, however there are some enclaves where this abuse has been carried out for decades (still happening by all accounts) and the fact that their specific community has not dealt with it using their internal processes is concerning.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 16:59:10

I know of no case where a murderer has got a less than nine months sentence. I thought the mandatory sentence for murder was 20 years, and sometimes more depending on the case.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 17:01:30

That was about LadyGracie’s post, I only read the first page. I shall now carry on and read the rest of the thread.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:08:20

Ok.....some Muslims did some terrible , terrible things. Some police acted in a poor way.

Do we need a convicted criminal and a hater of Islam stirring things up?

Labaik Thu 11-Jul-19 17:12:29

Somebody, somewhere needs that, Lessi….

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:15:30

Sorrry Labaik, I don't follow?

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 17:15:40

Neither is inciting hatred towards our armed forces, Lessismore.

It's now become a chicken and egg situation.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 11-Jul-19 17:16:35

EllanVannin I do not know anyone who voted leave that supports YL??

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:17:56

I am totally confused now, who is inciting hatred towards the armed forces?

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 17:19:24

I’m sorry but, love them or hate them, I think it is absurd to put Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage in the same category as TR. What crimes have they committed? It is perfectly lawful to wish to leave the EU. BJ spoke inadvisability when he made the comment about letter boxes, but to equate them with TR is ridiculous.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 17:21:03

I voted remain actually, but I know many people who voted leave, and just as as GrannyGravy says, none of them are TR supporters.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:24:04

well said maddy.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 17:38:15

Who started all this hatred between nations ? None other than the British media along with the lies published in tabloid newspapers. Sensationalism and scaremongering about threats posed by Muslims is widespread courtesy of the Sun, Star and Daily Mail. It's the inaccuracies that cause/create real world consequences.

Maybe our press/media need strict regulations, a front page apology and/or a hefty financial penalty.

Bridgeit Thu 11-Jul-19 17:40:37

The real reason TR is called vile, . ? Well that’s easily explained , it is because he IS vile , his opinions ARE vile they are expressed in a vile Manner & he insights other to be Vile , that kinda off equates to VILE in my book.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 17:43:18

There has never been a truthful answer from those who voted leave. Why do you want to leave the EU ??

Maddyone, perhaps it slipped your memory that BJ once mentioned " letterboxes " when referring to Muslims ?

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:43:43

What a strange conundrum you are EV......unless of course , there is more than one of you.

Labaik Thu 11-Jul-19 17:44:55

TR is now [failed] UKIP. Farage was UKIP but somehow managed to un UKIP himself using TR as some sort of scapegoat to show that the new Brexit Party isn't as right wing as UKIP. Lessi; hat I meant was that some people somewhere are gleefully pulling strings and watching this happen.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:46:04

Ah yes, many puppets and fools about.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 17:47:04

Lessismore I mentioned the incitement because of your remark about TR stirring things up for Islam.

It works both ways so take your blinkers off.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 17:50:05

blinkers? or hijab?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 11-Jul-19 18:02:17

EV myself and Urmstongran have given our explanation for our leave vote multiple times on multiple threads.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 11-Jul-19 18:03:20

Did you read Boris’s article in full EV?

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 19:11:50

No Ellan, it didn’t slip my mind, I mentioned it in my post. Stop trying to stir up trouble.

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 19:40:37

Maddyone it's not ME who's stirring up trouble so don't try that one !!

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 19:42:19

Whatever your preference is Lessismore-----no prizes for guessing,eh ?

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 19:56:55

Honestly, totally lost now, don't know what you are talking about.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 20:37:59

I'm not trying anything Ellan, but you'll feel better if you calm down.
As I said, I mentioned about the letterbox remark on my post, have a look back, you'll see it. As I said, love them or hate them, no one can legitimately put B J or NF into the same class as TR. You don't need a degree from Oxbridge to see that. Just because you don't like them doesn't turn them into criminals or fascists.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 20:42:10

Incidentally Ellan, you are allowed to dislike BJ or NF, it's not illegal. I believe that TR did do something illegal though, and that's why he's sitting in prison tonight and BJ and NF aren't.

Labaik Thu 11-Jul-19 21:22:51

I thought that Farage had done illegal things but seems to have, thus far, got away with it....

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 21:40:34

But they're all tarred with the same brush-----Brexiteers. That's what they've got in common Oxbridge or not it's NOT the way to go !

GrannyGravy13 Thu 11-Jul-19 21:48:43

EV - "tarred with the same brush "??????

My neighbours are Muslim- are they terrorists by your therum??????

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 21:54:13

Whoa, Muslims are Brexiteers who drink rum?

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 22:17:03

Well that’s your opinion Ellan, and you’re perfectly entitled to it. The trouble is, you’re wrong. BJ and NF have not been convicted of any crime, unlike TR. It’s a shame you don’t like it, but there it is, the truth, not opinion.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 22:17:21

Indeed GrannyGravey, indeed.

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 22:18:39

As I said before Ellan, try to calm down, you’ll feel better.

Lessismore Thu 11-Jul-19 22:21:16

Blimey, it's an echo chamber

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 22:32:45

Lessismore grin

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 22:53:25

Don't patronise me maddyone !!

I'm better than I'll ever be thankyou very much. I don't even need to resort to backup either !

EllanVannin Thu 11-Jul-19 22:58:00

GG13, tarred with the same brush meaning racist as well as Brexiteers. I did NOT mention terrorists-----you did !!

maddyone Thu 11-Jul-19 22:59:38

Goodnight Ellan, have a good night’s sleep.