A very English Brexit

The cleverest trick rich Brexiteers have pulled off is persuading so many people to vote against their own (and their country's) interest.

They didn't do it by logical argument. They did it by appealing to people's prejudices and animosity towards those with more power than they have.

Then they persuaded people to dismiss anybody who tries to argue rationally as know-it-all toffs and negative. Nobody likes to admit they could have been mistaken, so people are persuaded not to put forward rational arguments. Brainwashing is complete!

I have to admit that the Brexiters are winning the psychology battle. It's ironic that the people behind all this never have been democratically elected.

I'm not so sure historians will see it as an English Brexit. I think they will see it as an example of worldwide phenomena. Like the rise of Nazi Germany, it will be studied from all different angles, in an attempt to make some sense out of lunacy.

Perhaps someone could explain why Scotland, Ireland and Wales, resent by ruled by Westminster, but are quite happy with the prospect of being ruled by Brussels?

sorry, that should have been 'resent being ruled by Westminster'

Because Brussels doesn't "rule" anybody in the UK!

Sorry, will not comment on political issues on this site.

A don't apologise. Very shrewd. Have regularly observed the downward spiral of political topics on this site. I consider myself extremely interested in politics but would never comment here.

I'm sure there was people in Ireland , Wales and Scotland who voted for brexit .

Perhaps someone could explain why Scotland, Ireland and Wales, resent [being] ruled by Westminster but are quite happy with the prospect of being ruled by Brussels?

I have a feeling it is partly because they are over-ruled rather than ruled.

It could also be because we do not have an English parliament so "Westminster" is both English and UK which means some sorts of "English" get to throw their weight about and other sorts of "English" have nothing to say "this is what Englishness is" and are resentful. But who knows? I just know they have every right to feel they are being dragged out against their will.

Sorry, will not comment on political issues on this site.

You are obviously not sorry - as you went ahead and told us and you did comment so what was the point of that Apegirl

Sorry, Brussels 'rules' everybody in the UK - using an unelected, unaccountable team, who love to dispense your money with open hands. They build motorways in Madeira, bridges in Barcelona, and 'support' Welsh sheep farmers with our own money, all the while despising us and refusing (French) to put our products on the shelves of their supermarkets.
Why on earth does anyone want to stay in this ramshackle, corrupt organisation?
by the bye, the Scots, Welsh and N. Irish elect members of the UK government - Westminster is actually theirs - there are no English representatives in the Scottish or Welsh assemblies.

A don't apologise. Very shrewd. Have regularly observed the downward spiral of political topics on this site. I consider myself extremely interested in politics but would never comment here.

You just did. You are now part of the downward spiral. Possibly a large part as your post was so contentious Kim19.

Despite the Brexit propaganda, no one is “ruled” by Brussels. All members have an equal say, unlike the UK parliament, much of which is unelected ( H of Lords), so we are more undemocratic.

I joined this lovely group of grans to talk about granny things. (Sigh)

Sorry, Brussels 'rules' everybody in the UK - using an unelected, unaccountable team, who love to dispense your money with open hands. They build motorways in Madeira, bridges in Barcelona, and 'support' Welsh sheep farmers with our own money, all the while despising us and refusing (French) to put our products on the shelves of their supermarkets.

I would rather go to the dentist - just off - than read such tripe.

Aepgirl I rarely comment on political issues on here. My only comment is that following a visit to the EU building in Brussels in 1988 I came to the conclusion that the EU only saw the UK as a "cash cow", wanted our money but no respect for our contribution in any other way. I've wanted to Leave for over 30 years, nothing to do with prejudice/immigration etc. My opinion & nobody else's opinion would have changed my mind.

Tin hat on & back behind the barricades

... there are no English representatives in the Scottish or Welsh assemblies.

I was suggesting that there is no English "Assembly" and that this might be part of the problem.

I agree with Growstuff, the toffs are very slick talking and persuade folk that the faults in society are due to the EU rather than their own penny pinching policies

You are sadly right I fear growstuff

Gosh, one visit to Brussels and you knew all that Legs55. You truly are a special person.

I agree with Rosie Lea

I am elderly, I voted many years back, for TRADE with Europe, I do not recall anyone of my area voting or wanting political union with European countries.

I think "they" have taken over the good that could have come from the Union of countries for trade..

as the Irish,Scots and Welsh, (well some of them) observe, being governed by London/Westminster is not for them,, too diverse... as is where I live the South West of England,

too much central, ie. Westminster/London,,

but will they ever learn? call them what you will, "ruling classes" ruin so many lives...

I voted out of the political Union, nothing to do with migrants,, who is that to tell me that I voted out because of migrants? sorry should that be immigrants! whatever.. I voted out of the political union, the cost to keep even more political bosses in a state of life that so many of us can`t afford.

I am a mixed up Conservative, cos many of the Socialist views I agree with..

however, not the current views of either right/left or whatever sides of the political arguments

FredaG. - this is a granny issue like any other. We are not only concerned about our own future but the futures of our children and grandchildren. I think we are always safer in a group than on our own.

Has anyone watched THE GREAT HACK on Netflix? It shows how Cambridge Analytica won the Trump campaign and influenced Brexit. It's fascinating and horrifying.

I don't remember the breakup of the United Kingdom ever being mentioned as a possible fallout of Brexit during the Referendum campaign, but it now looks like that's what's coming. Scotland wants another independence vote - and that fact that they voted to stay in the EU means that this time it will probably be a Yes (that's what the polls say). The only way to deal with the Irish border issue will, eventually, be a united Ireland. Won't be much of the UK left. Very sad.