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Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Sep-19 08:56:25

I am a firm believer in the BBC as it was first set up to be an independent institution, but am alarmed at the way it is so often becoming the “news” rather than the messenger.

Today a very controversial interviewer is retiring. John Humphreys, who has been criticised so frequently for his apparent biased.
Yesterday Laura Kuenssberg set social media alive with criticism.

My argument is this. We need a world class broadcasting media. One which in the past is just that, but undoubtedly has lost its way over recent years. It has become dangerously close to losing its independence in many of its broadcasts, and in my view if it continues we will lose the once outstanding, quality and proudly independent broadcaster, for which we all pay and have a stake in.

Septimia Thu 19-Sep-19 09:07:53

It's not often that I agree with you Whitewavemark, but I do in this case. The BBC should be independent and, as far as it can be, unbiased. It should broadcast facts and report on the opinions of people, as facts. We all need to know the truth insofar as it is known and not reporters opinions or 'fake news'.

Laura Kuenssberg often annoys me with her biased reporting, not merely because I might not agree with her but because it isn't facts.

Septimia Thu 19-Sep-19 09:08:49

reporters', missed the apostrophe!

Griselda Thu 19-Sep-19 10:01:18

I've been worried about the BBC lately for a different reason. I lived for a while in France and still try to read a French newspaper every day. I've been surprised at the lack of reporting on the BBCof their 'Gilet Jaunes' protests which have been going on for many weeks. I know that numbers of people have been injured by the French police who tend to be more heavy-handed than the British ones and yet the BBC rarely mention what is going on every weekend.

Castafiore Thu 19-Sep-19 10:02:15

I agree. Cameron stuffed the BBC with Tories, and it seems to recruit exclusively from the independent school sector. Many of its journalists and editorswere formerly employed by the right-wing tabloid press (e.g. Kuenssberg, Sarah Sands, the editor of Today). The demonisation of Corbyn is seriously worrying - his political policies (which would be regarded in most European countries as unremarkably social-democratic) should quite rightly be up for debate but the BBC prefers to cast him as an 'extremist', allowing smears about him to circulate unchallenged. This is surely not journalism and it's certainly not impartiality.

Hazelgran1 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:16:19

Unless there is something I missed - why on earth would a distressed parent be described by his political leanings? If I had seen a Prime minister on the wards any of the times my loved ones have been in hospital - I would have wanted my concerns heard too. Would I have been "called out" on my political background? Raging green granny? The reporting was not balanced - it was biased. I hope the baby of the anguished parent is doing ok.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:17:54

Kuenssberg has also given the media his contact address.

It really is too bad.

Camelotclub Thu 19-Sep-19 10:18:06

Have you noticed how nobody, individual or group, goes on that awful One Show without something to plug?

I remember the days of Parky where top notch guests would go on just to chat, not to plug their latest film.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:24:32

Richard Corbett
@RCorbettMEP

There were many British MEPs speaking in this European parliamentary debate, but the BBC only quotes one of them. No prizes for guessing that it's Nigel Farage!

Theprince2 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:26:54

Have to disagree with you Castafiore.

In my view, the BBC is run by left-wing-ers! Very pro-Corbyn etc.

Sussexborn Thu 19-Sep-19 10:30:19

At one time the news was watched once, possibly twice a day. Now it is coming at us 24/7 whether we like it or not!

It’s a bit like the Bible. A hundred different interpretations of the same words. People hear what they want ( or don’t want) to hear.

nanamac77 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:33:14

Hear hear, Theprince2. And it's painfully pitifully politically correct to the point of idiocy.

On a lighter note, but on similar - and very politically INcorrect theme- , is there anyone out there like me who is getting irked by the plethora of high pitched screeching from some of the female presenters?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:34:30

I think to underpin your case theprince and sussex it would be useful to look at the evidence.

Annecan Thu 19-Sep-19 10:50:37

Theprince2
Totally agree with you
BBC is completely left wing London centric
Very biaised and needs to be subscription based rather than paid for by licence money
It is smug and patronising (especially radio 4)

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Sep-19 10:51:53

But you see until you can provide evidence your argument is empty

Sussexborn Thu 19-Sep-19 10:55:28

I am sure that if you look at any TV guide it will tell you how often the news is on. When you switch on your iPad or laptop you will also be informed of the latest celeb carryings on no matter how often the settings are changed - they keep bouncing back.

Went to a RC junior school and sat out of RK at senior school so didn’t study the Bible so WWM2 it may be possible that I am in the wrong and all bible readers reach the same conclusion! Who knew?

Stella14 Thu 19-Sep-19 11:01:36

The BBC is, of course run by ‘establishment’ (aka Tory) figures, so it is inevitably right wing. My daughter worked as a Producer for BBC morning news some years ago. She had to tilt stories the way the management (the establishment) liked or they wouldn’t be aired! It has got considerably worse since then. Anyone who believes that Laura Kuenssberg is a Tory who is not even attempting to be neutral, really isn’t paying attention. Many of her comments speak for themselves. Given that she is the BBC’s Political Correspondent. How on earth do you see the BBC as left wing? confused

mrneduc Thu 19-Sep-19 11:08:53

I Agree. The BBC has moved to the left. I never listen or watch its news coverage or programmes I used to love such as QT. It’s coverage of Israel for example is biased, inaccurate and one sided. I object to paying a fee for the rubbish it spews out. It doesn’t have a good word to say about the current US admin either. Everything is viewed through a pc lens. I’m not a fan of extremist views in either nation mentioned but there is no fairness in BBC reporting

Annaram1 Thu 19-Sep-19 11:17:36

I watch the BBC news, ITV, and RT and Aljazeera in order to see more of what is going on in the world. RT and Aljazeera have good coverage of the French yellow vest protests, and also Israeli news, US news, Hong Kong etc. Its not just Russian or Arab propaganda, as some like to think. They often have interesting documentaries too, sometimes about pollution and other matters, not just in Britain.

Margs Thu 19-Sep-19 11:39:27

As a WASPI I'm appalled at the way the BBC could cover the French protests over the changes to their State Pension but ne'er a whisper about 1950's women being hung out to dry (and told to "get an apprenticeship!").

So - which of the 'suits' at the Beeb is bowing to the will of the current government and following orders to ignore us?

OK, rant over....

icanhandthemback Thu 19-Sep-19 11:46:53

Well, this is an interesting topic! I find myself shouting at the tv sometimes about how left wing it is and the bias towards remain. I suspect that others watch the same thing and perceive it entirely differently because we all tend to latch on to things that coincide with our belief system.
As for the father regarding the NHS, I think if you describe yourself as a Labour Activist, post about it on Social Media, then you shouldn't be surprised if that is publicised by a journalist. I don't see it as bias at all. Social Media which is not locked down to friends only is fair game and as an activist, it is probably what you want because their is more publicity. I would have liked to know Boris's interpretation of "no press here." Did he mean that he hadn't invited them? confused

Whitewavemark2 Thu 19-Sep-19 11:50:23

ican. Re Johns remark about no press.

Look at the No 10 crib drawn up before the visit.

It was carried out with the full intention of a pre-election visit and the visit was recorded to be put out to the public.

Johnson lies lies lies

Nanny27 Thu 19-Sep-19 11:56:01

I agree that Laura Kuenssberg is just about the most biased Westminster correspondent I've known. In the studio, the snide little asides and smirks by Tom Bradbury are shocking.

sarahellenwhitney Thu 19-Sep-19 12:45:54

Why doesn't the BBC do what they are paid to do which spelled out says PRESENT.
Keep it at that which is far from what we are now getting which quite clearly ends in and seems the norm these days as a 'free for all' for the self opinionated.

humptydumpty Thu 19-Sep-19 12:47:56

Isn't Tom Bradby ITV?

NfkDumpling Thu 19-Sep-19 13:00:35

Perhaps more of us might have voted Remain if the BBC had included more European news in their broadcasts and we felt more included. As Griselda says we hear very little about the Gilet Jaunes or anything at all about the other EU countries. We could do with a half hour of nothing but EU news each evening.

Whingingmom Thu 19-Sep-19 13:14:32

It’s a State Broadcaster, not needed, past it’s sell by date and full over over paid self important buffoons and luvvies. I’d close it down and use the money for NHS.

Mardler123 Thu 19-Sep-19 13:17:43

I have been so cheered up by these postings. As the BBC is being accused of left wing bias and right wing bias at the same time then as far as I am concerned it is doing the job of balanced reporting.

MaizieD Thu 19-Sep-19 13:18:26

I’d close it down and use the money for NHS.

Just put that on the side of a red bus, Whinginmom and you could be our next prime minister.. grin

Parsley3 Thu 19-Sep-19 13:28:59

For the BBC to be accused of bias by both left and right wing supporters tells us that we are filtering our opinions through our own beliefs. I bristled when the main sports feature was about cricket although European women golfers had just won the Solheim Cup. Clearly a bias towards males and cricket, I thought. And I believed it too.
To be criticised from both sides is a good thing. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

eazybee Thu 19-Sep-19 13:44:07

To be criticised from both sides is a good thing. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

So true, Parsley. Just common sense.
Whitewave is simply having her pearl-clutching moment today.

maryhoffman37 Thu 19-Sep-19 14:40:23

How can anyone think the BBC is left wing and pro-Corbyn?

Zahorodnyj0909 Thu 19-Sep-19 15:10:52

The BBC (Biased Broadcasting Corporation) is run by the Tory Government. Also, I was at a rally recently at Media City. Hundreds of ladies were outside the BBC building in the hope that the BBC would report in the pension injustice affecting 1950’s born women (Waspi, WePaidInYouPayOut, etc.) The BBC actually closed their office blinds on us! No mention of us on BBC news but ITV did.

ayse Thu 19-Sep-19 15:28:38

Depending on each person’s political leanings, commentators suggest the BBC has either a left or right wing bias.

I am with the comments concerning the lack of news from Europe and the never ending news about what is happening in the USA.

As we are closer to Europe in miles I would like to have some idea what is happening there. For example, in Hungary the government is supporting rather alarming “right wing” policies. Other posters have already mentioned the jilet jaune, which these days is rarely mentioned.

Having said that the best presentations are those that include two or more contributors with differing opinions, not that this happens very often. I find the lack of factual information and more opinion is rampant these days. We only ever seem to be given the headlines.

Nevertheless, I try to listen to the news on Radio 4 daily just to get a feel for what is going on.

I agree that the BBC is less independent than it used to be and this is cause for concern. It used to be the most trusted news but now I’m not sure. There is so much so called fake news about that can any of us honestly say that what we see and hear on the media are the facts not just someone’s interpretation of events, spiced up with their own bias included.

Emelle Thu 19-Sep-19 15:53:53

Margs - I too am a 'Waspi' lady and I am becoming ever more angry at the lack of reporting of our State Pension issues although the BBC do cover Pension protests in other countries like France and Brazil. Even when we took our protest to Media City they didn't send a reporter and camera out to cover the Rally. In fact they shut the blinds on the windows of Offices in Quay House and turned off the webcam covering the Plaza. A variety of reasons have been given for this but I suspect the main reason is that they cannot or will not cover the issues affecting 3.8 million women. I am not a fan of the BBC!

GabriellaG54 Thu 19-Sep-19 16:55:56

Hazelgran1
Would the father of the child have been as eager to lay into Boris had there been no cameras?
He was looking for an argument but pilloried the wrong man as BJ has barely got his feet under the table.
His background was relevant as it paints the picture for viewers, otherwise it would not have been a headline.
The story about his child wasn't factually correct anyway. He exaggerated to make it sound bad.
Some father...🤨

maddyone Thu 19-Sep-19 17:09:43

Agree Gabriella.

MaizieD Thu 19-Sep-19 17:14:20

The relevant fact in the hospital story, GG54 is that Johnson lied about the presence of the press. Looked straight at the camera and lied.

The details of the father and the child being bandied around are just gossip and hearsay. I've seen them all on twitter; not worth taking any notice of.

varian Thu 19-Sep-19 17:16:03

Doctors in that hospital have backed up what the father said.

MaizieD Thu 19-Sep-19 18:40:33

I expect they're all Labour activist Remainers, too, varian wink

Best Leaver conspiracy theory I saw on twitter yesterday was that it's Remainers on Johnson's staff who are setting up these situations where members of the public accost him when he's out and about... hmm

SunnySusie Thu 19-Sep-19 20:25:59

One of the things that most annoys me about the BBC is its news web site. Virtually no news on it and loads of magazine type features. People all over the world look at the BBC web site and it could serve a very useful function for those who live in countries with no free press at all. Also not at all in favour of the habit across the media of interviewing Joe Bloggs in the street, who trots out some spur of the moment comment which is given the same status as informed remarks from those actually involved. The Beeb in particular, as a licence fee supported channel, should stop doing this as a lazy way of pretending to represent both sides of a debate.

GinJeannie Thu 19-Sep-19 20:54:29

Very true comments re The One Show....it’s just a platform now for celebrities to promote their latest something. W3 now watch The Repair Shop, same time, BBC 2, an absolute joy to see craftsmanship at work and its appreciation.

pinkquartz Thu 19-Sep-19 21:00:12

I also do not like the BBC for news
I usually try to watch Channel 4 news. I think it is less biased and also has different issues, not just sensational headlines.

I also think a lot of the BBC is opinions rather than facts......so not really news.
I agree that the Dad confronting Johnson did not need to be described as a Labour supporter....he was there because his child was ill. Not posing. What was Johnson doing there? I turned the TV off in disgust.

Lumarei Thu 19-Sep-19 21:11:24

Icanhandthemback - totally my sentiments.

trisher Thu 19-Sep-19 21:14:34

For those posting about how left wing the BBC is could you explain why the Labour party is constantly vilified and Corbyn insulted by them? Why QT actively recruits audience members from far right parties, but not far left? Why the Brexit party and Farage are consistently given air time and yet the Green Party which has at least one MP is rarely allowed time?
Right wing bias is present in every area. There is no left wing bias.

edsnana Thu 19-Sep-19 22:23:52

Margs you are so right! Not only did the BBC not report the women's pension rally in Manchester recently, they locked the doors and closed the blinds

Saetana Thu 19-Sep-19 22:47:28

The BBC are left wing and have been for a long time! It beggars belief that some people think its right wing! Seriously! Its pro Labout/Liberal and pro Remain - coverage of pro Brexit opinions is invariably sourced from the lowest common denominator. Are we watching the same channel?

Skye17 Thu 19-Sep-19 22:57:01

Former BBC journalist Robin Aitken reveals his experience of the BBC’s left-wing, pro-Remain, anti-Christian bias in his book The Noble Liar: How and Why the BBC Distorts the News to Promote a Liberal Agenda. www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1785903497/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_rJ.GDb0NMHW16?tag=gransnetforum-21
4.3 stars on Amazon.

Eloethan Thu 19-Sep-19 23:28:52

It seems to me that the BBC is in a very dangerous place now.

I believe that powerful people on the right would really love to get rid of the BBC since they are wedded to the notion of private provision for almost every public service, as is the wish of their powerful donors.

One way of seeing the BBC on its way is to alienate both sides of the political spectrum and any other interested parties.

So right wing newspapers continually harp on about the cost of the TV licence, the salaries of senior administrators and top presenters (never mentioning that the commercial channels pay much higher salaries - which the general public does (either directly or indirectly) pay for). They continue to peddle the idea that the BBC is run by left wing zealots when, in fact, many carefully analysed academic research papers have established that there is a very significant right wing/anti Labour slant.

That proven bias against Labour also alienates people on the left of the political spectrum.

And now, with the controversy re the over-75's TV licence, a large number of people who have no particular concerns about the neutrality or otherwise of the BBC have also been alienated.

So lots of people are unhappy with the present state of the BBC and I fear that ultimately it will disappear.

growstuff Fri 20-Sep-19 06:08:24

What wasn't true about the sick child in Whipps Cross Hospital?

notentirelyallhere Fri 20-Sep-19 06:49:55

I hate the way people being interviewed are never allowed to finish a sentence anymore without endless rude interruptions.

If you read Irish and French newspapers (the latter in translation if need be), not only do you get a wider range of stories about Europe and the world but people are allowed to answer questions fully and the interviewer listens to what they say.

The two presenters on Womans Hour have obviously been threatened with job loss given how they fall over themselves to aggressively 'put the other side' over. BTW, I'm on the BBC is right wing side, ha, ha. grin

notentirelyallhere Fri 20-Sep-19 06:50:52

I meant, of course, listen to as well as read other European news sources.

growstuff Fri 20-Sep-19 07:02:12

I agree with you notentirelyallhere. I've almost given up on British news sources. Foreign media give a much more balanced and informative view. It's tragic really because the BBC used to have such a good international reputation but its news output is pathetic.

floorflock Fri 20-Sep-19 13:20:27

BBC - outdated and should be scrapped.
The public who scrape the money together to pay this tax, sorry licence fee, have to fund very brazen plugging on the BBC programs, Unfair and biased reporting, game show prize money, outlandish wages to so called 'stars', advertising - of their own programs etc. They don't show the sport that my DH wants to see. They broadcast around the world - and I you and I are paying for this too, let the rest of the world pay if they want it.
If these staff at the BBC really loved their jobs they would do them for the same wages that average Joe is paid. I don't view any of them as stars they are simply vastly overpaid people. Get rid of the lot of them.

maddyone Fri 20-Sep-19 13:46:52

Floorflock, you have written exactly how I feel about the BBC.
I think it should be funded by advertising the same as other channels.

GillT57 Fri 20-Sep-19 13:57:41

The BBC is far from perfect, and I too loathe the One Show with the celebrities, insincerity and brash reporting, but that is just my taste, and I too switch to The Repair Shop which is a lovely heartwarming programme. However, the more the backbench Tories and right wing press campaign against it, the more I support it. I am disturbed by the right wing over representation on QT, Farage who is not the leader of a political party, has been on far more than the leader of the Green Party, and last night's attempt at balance was laughable; the 'leftie' was a self confessed communist celebrity who was out of her depth. I do agree that the coverage of European news is very poor, and needs to be addressed. I generally quite like Laura Kuennsberg, but her handling of the incident in Whipps Cross Hospital was not what I would have expected, more of a Sun reporter's type of nastiness.

MaizieD Fri 20-Sep-19 14:10:08

They broadcast around the world - and I you and I are paying for this too, let the rest of the world pay if they want it.

Goodness me! I've always understood the BBC World Service to be a jewel in the BBC crown. It keeps ex-pats in touch with the home country, it acts as something of an ambassador and showcase for Britain and it keeps people in countries where the news is censored in touch with the reality of events. How sad that people think that foreigners shouldn't have access to it.

floorflock Fri 20-Sep-19 15:12:23

MaizieD I really don't see why UK subjects should be the ones to fund this. All other channels fund themselves through advertising. The BBC, with help from the govermnent, tax the public to fund this overpriced white elephant. Don't forget they have supported many 'dubious' characters who worked there too (Jimmy Saville and many others) If this had been a public company they would have been forced to close down instantly through the scandal.

Dinahmo Fri 20-Sep-19 16:03:26

I watch the political programmes on the BBC, such as the Daily Politics and tend to think that they are fairly even handed most of the time.

My main beef is the lack of decent contributors from the right in any Brexit debates - Mark Francois for example and Tim Martin (Wetherspoons). Even Andrew Neill is reasonably balanced in that he can give representatives of all political persuasions a hard time if necessary.

maddyone Fri 20-Sep-19 16:05:22

Still agree with you Floorflock, and as for the BBC world service being ‘a jewel in the crown of the BBC’, well words fail me. We frequently look at the BBC world service when we’re abroad and I’m afraid we find it to be a roundabout of the same ‘news’ items which goes on all day. You will see exactly the same items at 9.00pm as were on at 9.00am. Lots of their reporting on the world service isn’t news either, it’s small item coverage about something the BBC has decided it wants to report on ie house building in another country or whatever. I gues they have to make use of their correspondents in different parts of the world so they ask them to do a short documentary type article on whatever. It’s not news. Gone are the days when people around the world are glued to the radio (tv) at a certain time every day to hear the latest truthful account of the situation in Britain ie the Second World War.

Dinahmo Fri 20-Sep-19 16:12:33

As I've posted on another thread I'd be willing to pay to watch BBC. Here in France we are within reach of the satellite but we have to pay for French tv via the equivalent of rates regardless of whether we watch French tv or not.

I can watch programmes on I Player on my computer but have to use a VPN in order to do so. A VPN isn't necessary to listen to the radio.

I wish that I could pay to watch the Beeb but I can't. Perhaps they too will introduce subscription programming.

I wish that there was some way in which I could pay the Beeb but there isn't.

varian Fri 20-Sep-19 16:35:54

I cannot agree with you Dinahmo when you say "Andrew Neil is reasonably balanced "

Andrew Neil, a former chairman of the Association of Conservative Students, is the chairman of The Spectator magazine and never makes any attempt to disguise his pro-brexit Tory views.

Unsurprisingly he has recently been voted "the nation’s favourite political commentator" in an exclusive Express.co.uk poll that saw the veteran broadcaster scoop a massive 69 percent of the ballot. A weapons-grade interviewer!’ Andrew Neil crowned top Brexit commentator in poll.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1180229/brexit-latest-andrew-neil-politics-latest-laura-kuenssberg-bbc-boris-johnson

This poll was, of course not a poll of the nation, but a poll of the readers of the Express, the only national newspaper which is more brexitty than the Daily Mail or The Sun.

He holds a childish grudge against Dr Vince Cable, who was his tutor at Glasgow University and clearly did not rate his efforts very highly and has recently carried out a vicious vendetta against Carole Cadwalladr, the brave investigative journalist who exposed the illegal activities of Cambridge Analytica and the Leave campaign, calling her "Carol Codswallop, the mad cat woman". Neil is so biased he would not be out of place on Fox News.

GillT57 Fri 20-Sep-19 17:40:09

I think we have to assume that as Brexit supporters think the BBC are lefties, remain supporters, and the Remainers think the BBC is right wing, Tory, Brexit supporting....well they must be somewhere in the middle! Channel 4 news is ok sometimes, but I don't like Jon Snow. I heard him once on Desert Island Discs ( outed as a Radio 4 listener) and he was a complete arse, really pompous.

varian Fri 20-Sep-19 18:13:11

I think that the truth is not that the BBC are politically neutral or anything like it.

During the run up to the 2016 referendum, time and time again expert opinion on the Remain side was "balanced out" by ignorant rantings and sound bites from the leave side.

If you had a debate on the BBC about whether the Earth was round or flat, the BBC could easily find proper scientific evidence that it is round (OK, spherical). The BBC, in an attempt to find "balance" would then scour all the dark places on the internet until they came up with a flatearther, who they would invite along and give him equal time and equal billing.

Since the fraudulent referendum, the BBC have at least acknowledged that this spurious attempt at balance did give an undue prominence to utter rubbish. Unfortunately too late. The damage was done and so they still parrot nonsense about "honouring the result of the referendum" and "respecting the will of the people".

trisher Fri 20-Sep-19 18:33:39

There is no doubt that in the past there was a very left wing bias at the BBC. It probably began in the 60s with the comedy programmes created by Cambridge graduates with satirical attacks on the establishment. It might at some point have swung back to the centre but in recent years it has begun to exhibit a real right wing bias. The problem with this bias is, it is not linked any creative or comedic output, but is now rooted in the factual reporting of news. It is a much more dangerous bias than any seen before.

maddyone Fri 20-Sep-19 18:44:19

Trisher, a balanced post.

Varian, you seem to see everyone who doesn’t agree with you as ‘ignorant’ (ignorant rantings) as you mention in your post. I’ve learnt to take your posts with a pinch of salt.

varian Fri 20-Sep-19 18:53:14

I think, and I do accept that not everyone will agree, that the BBC in recent years has had a strong right wing brexitty political bias,

However, because most influential BBC opinion formers work in London, there is also a "social liberal" bias which results in what the Daily Mail would charecterise as "political correctness".

The loudest voices are simultaneously pro equal marriage, very anti discrimination against anyone on the basis of racie or religion, but also very pro-brexit, constantly parroting the mantras about "honouring the referendum" and "will of the people" whilst ignoring all the evidence that our democracy wads high jacked in 2016 by foriegn interference and dark money.

petra Fri 20-Sep-19 19:15:00

Up until 2016 the BBC took more copies of the Guardian than any other paper: 250 per day. Why was that, I wonder 🤔

varian Fri 20-Sep-19 19:43:28

But did the BBC take more copies of the Guardian and the Mirror than the number of copies of the Telegraph. Daily Mail, Express, Sun, etc?

varian Fri 20-Sep-19 19:45:32

The University of Loughborough looked at the tone of coverage of the EU Referendum in the papers and claimed that, weighted by circulation, Leave has an 82% to 18% advantage over Remain.

Dominic Lawson, the former editor of the Sunday Telegraph, said yesterday that that the views expressed by papers were “important” in the vote’s outcome: “Remember this could be really close… very serious politicians have been ringing up editors and asking them to back their side."

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/which-newspapers-support-brexit_uk_5768fad2e4b0a4f99adc6525

Evie64 Sat 21-Sep-19 00:11:36

Love the Beeb but have to say, they seem so left wing and biased now, not reporting things that don't "suit" their agenda.

sunseeker Sat 21-Sep-19 07:58:12

Anyone else seen the interview with the now retired John Humphries who says that he is now "free from the BBC thought police which has tried to mould the nation into it own liberal/left image". He said his bosses badly failed to read the nations mood on Europe and could not grasp why anyone would vote leave.

Pantglas2 Sat 21-Sep-19 08:03:36

Just read it sunseeker - cue the liberal, leftist posters accusing him of being a fascist......and so it goes!

Anja Sat 21-Sep-19 08:07:10

I think the recent remarks by Laura Kuenssberg has shown her right-wing bias. Very disappointed in that.

trisher Sat 21-Sep-19 10:10:07

Isn't it funny how when someone agrees with what is said the centralist London elite (like John Humphries) are immediately right, but if someone says something vaguely left wing or socialist they are castigated for being part of that elite. And how would John Humphries know a flying fuck about ordinary people and how they voted?
There is of course the wider debate to be had about what happened to the socialist policies our society was built on after WW2, and the right wing propaganda which has steadily and persistently undermined those policies and changed our values.

Beckett Sat 21-Sep-19 10:24:11

John Humphries comes from a working class background. Having worked at the BBC for 33 years I think he would have a fairly good idea of the underlying ethos of the organisation.

Eloethan Sat 21-Sep-19 11:42:39

The BBC's so-called "liberal, left wing bias" (that several pieces of research have disproved) didn't stop John Humphries from collecting his pay cheque every month did it? How brave of him, now that he has left the BBC, to rubbish the hand that fed him.

Beckett Sat 21-Sep-19 12:27:15

He would not have been allowed to voice his opinion whilst employed

Beckett Sat 21-Sep-19 12:28:37

I should add he has also stated he voted remain and believes the BBC should continue

pinkquartz Sat 21-Sep-19 12:52:35

The BBC has changed a lot in the last 30 years.
When I was studying with the intention of working there the pay wasn't so high. But the training and prestige was high.
people would say things like work at ITV for the money but the BEEB was the better quality.

Of course Thatcher started the rot by making it law that the BBC had to buy in a percentage of their output ie programs.
This lead to a lot of new production companies ( not a bad thing )
but then I believe is when the higher salaries started.
It all became more about the companies competing against each other and somewhere along the way the management structure changed too. I am hazy on details at this point but things never went back to the old "Auntie"

I used to defend the license fee believing that it saved us from even more advertising and also the BBC used to produce their programs without having to suck up to the advertisers.
Now that their are channel streaming TV and films I think this would be a better solution.

Pay a subscription fee so still no advertising but also no more license fee.

Nvella Sat 21-Sep-19 13:25:31

Always makes me smile when there is a discussion about the political leanings of the BBC. Half the correspondents say it’s biased to the left - the other half that it’s biased to the right. I worked in the complaints office of BBC TV in the early 1970s during Heath, 3 day week etc and EXACTLY the same arguments were going on then. Which seems to me to mean that the BBC is probably quite even handed

Urmstongran Sat 21-Sep-19 14:38:00

So BBC bosses wallowed in despair when the country voted leave. Something they are still doing now. Totally out of touch with the general public. Biased broadcasting corporation. Shamefully anti Brexit.

Actually I remember the look on Dimbleby’s face when he realised we had voted to leave was wonderful! brilliant night that was.

Urmstongran Sat 21-Sep-19 14:43:46

Priceless stuff from Humphreys! Those BBC champagne socialist big-wigs must have been choking on their soy lattes this morning.
🤣

The BBC can be as biased as it likes. Just not on public money.

Jabberwok Sat 21-Sep-19 14:50:34

His name is spelt John Humphrys!!

Urmstongran Sat 21-Sep-19 19:09:06

😊

Whitewavemark2 Sat 21-Sep-19 19:12:59

I see the Mail is threatening to publish Maughan’s private address along with other prominent remainers.

Can’t the police step in?

varian Sat 21-Sep-19 19:36:44

Just look at the cv of Sarah Sands, editor of BBC r4 Today program. Leftie??? I don't think so.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Sands

Whitewavemark2 Sat 21-Sep-19 21:06:09

John O’Brennan
@JohnOBrennan2
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Just one week, and British tabloids have:
1. Contacted Garett Thomas parents to tell them their son was HIV positive.
2. Published story detailing how cricketer Ben Stokes’ siblings were killed, upsetting him greatly.
And then this.
They represent the very worst in our society.
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Jo Maugham QC

Just received notification from the Mail on Sunday that, in a week in which I have received death threats, they are tomorrow going to publish my private address.

absthame Sat 21-Sep-19 22:39:49

Some of the complainant don't seem to understand the roles of reporters and editors when asked their opinions on an issue. It is to give their opinion, based on their knowledge of the issue their insight and their personal biases will inevitably colour what they say. At that point they are not reporting.

It is exactly the same when a presenter interviews someone, if it is on a political issue their personal biases will influence the way questions are framed or the form of interruptions. Even when they are trying to be unbiased, they will not be as on some occasions they may over compensate for their biases and other occasions they may not believe that it interferes with their performances

The balance on the whole is pretty good although I may frequently sputter and rant over the biase of the moment.

I think we all expect what is not achievable, for each one of us to be personally satisfied virtually all of the time.

Anniel Tue 24-Sep-19 11:28:39

I worked as a report writer at the BBC in the research department. Over the years it has not changed. The Intelligentsia who work there are generally left wing. From uni, they get into the organisation and they all fit in together and I use to smile as they arrived at work all clutching the Guardian ( of course) re the left wing activist who accosted Boris Johnson, if Laura had not revealed his leanings, some other journalist would have done so. The idea that the BBC is stuffed with Torie bemuses me. Can you name a few? Just so I do not disguise my leanings I follow Rod Liddle who was once editor of the Today programme.

Eloethan Tue 24-Sep-19 15:16:03

Andrew Neil
Jeremy Paxman

Robbie Gibb (May's Director of Communication - formerly BBC political editor)
Craig Oliver (former editor of BBC News appointed by David Cameron to be his Press Secretary after the demise of Andy Coulson.
Chris Patton - former Conservative minister appointed as BBC Trust Chair (the 10th BBC Chair to sit in the Commons or House of Lords on the Conservative benches - no former Labour ministers have Chaired the BBC)

Extracts from an article by Ivor Gabor, Professor of Political Journalism , University of Sussex, (the Independent, July 2017):

"When you actually look into it, the BBC has a centre-right bias – which explains its coverage of Corbyn

"the BBC does an excellent job, but many of its journalists have Conservative party connections and most of its panellists are centre-right. This means that they failed to take into account that the centre has moved, and it's actually much further left than they think it is

"The BBC’s political output has long had more than its fair share of Conservatives in prominent roles – none more so than Andrew Neil, who previously worked for the Conservative’s Research Department and who now chairs the holding company that owns the Daily Telegraph and the Spectator. Superb interviewer though he is, it is unusual for any broadcaster, whether left or right-wing, to dominate political coverage as much as Neil does on the BBC, who fronts the weekday Daily Politics show and presents his own programmes on Sunday mornings and Thursday evenings.

"The appointment of Robbie Gibb was unsurprising; he was treading a well-worn path. May’s predecessor David Cameron appointed the then head of BBC TV News, Craig Oliver, to be his Director of Communications and before him the then Conservative Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, appointed Guto Hari, a BBC political correspondent, to head of his media team.

For the most part, its coverage spans no further than from the centre-left to the centre-right........

"This bias towards the centre appears not to be taking into account the rise of Corbyn and his new Labour Party. In support of this contention, I call in evidence the BBC’s two flagship Sunday political programmers presented respectively by Andrews Marr and Neil.

"Both programmes, apart from having big-name political interviews, also include three-person panels of political journalists. I have monitored the panels of the two programmes for the past five weeks and have found that of the 30 possible panellists, 20 have been from the right or centre-right, eight from the centre –left, one from the left and one – the BBC presenter Victoria Derbyshire – of no declared political position.

"In other words, there’s a two-to-one bias to the right or centre-right on these panels, which, given the consistency over the period monitored, cannot simply be attributed to happenstance."

varian Sat 05-Oct-19 12:51:07

The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation has allowed the Question Time audience to be selected by Alison Fuller-Pedley for the last twenty years. She is a brextremist, ex UIKP member who has "liked" messages from the EDL and Britain First.

The audience for Radio 4 Any Questions is self selected, so likelier to be less blatantly pro-brexit. However someone who attended last night's AQ (repeated at 1.15pm today) told me that although it was clear that the vast majority of the audience were pro-Remain, the small group of brexiters who had come along to cheer Nigel Farage, were seated at the front where the microphones picked up their loud clapping and cheering. If you listen, you can tell the difference between the sound of a large number of people clapping in the distance and a small number near the stage clapping very loudly.

varian Sat 05-Oct-19 14:46:35

On Any Questions Farage stated "the Leave majority in this country grows by the month". This is an outright lie.

There has been a consistent and growing remain majority for a very long time, as evidenced by the polls in answer to the question "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?"
(Field work dates: 1 August 2016 - 1 October 2019)

The most recent result (excluding don't knows) is 55% wrong to leave , 45% right.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/?removed

These brexiters should not be allowed to distort the truth without being challenged by the BBC.