Political stereotyping

Even Alan Duncan, Stephen Dorrell and now Nicky Morgan - understand how dangerous Johnson and ERG are, and No Deal.

I was interested in this and have looked at the demographics. The Tory voter falls into 2 'types' usually. Peopel who have a reasonable amount of money and come from a more privileged background - private school etc, and those who I thinkof as White Van man. the first find it difficult to see beyond their privileged bubble, and like thing to stay the same as they are fine thank you, and the second camp have less education, and are convinced the world is out to take what is theirs, that anyone who hasn't done as they have are lazy shirkers or foreigners and are obsessed with Brexit.

Labour votes are also in two camps. Educated middle class professionals who interact with and understand how the underclass has fared and grown, and think our mindset needs to change and the militant poor who are angry and want change.

Oddly enough - as far as I can see a lot of the 'benefit scroungers' that so many right wing papers insist are everywhere and crippling us as usually uneducated Tory voters.

Not necessarily Labour - and not necessarily always- but in this case, with Johnson and ERG's record, No Deal, links to Trump and Russians, the NHS, the environment, education, police, fire service, etc- I am afraid there is NO escaping that, sorry. I could NOT vote Tory currently, and I know many many Cons who feel the same now.

kitty
No it isn’t out of date it is a useful tool when identifying a group of people with particular values etc.

Most of the middle class leaving the Tories are in the south east. That’s why you aren’t so aware of the phenomenon.

My middle class group of friends who vote Tory are amazing in their evaluation of Johnson. I never expected to hear such criticism. It seems that they can’t stomach his morality and racism. Well tbh there seems a lot they can’t stomach.

I think there will always be political stereotyping - look how often comfortably-off celebrities/public figures are derided as being luvvies or champagne socialists if they support Labour.

But Brexit has muddied the waters a bit though!

So, jura, the people who 'care' are the ones who vote Labour. Tory voters don't - is that what you are saying?

And we just happen to think that the Tory way, à la Johnson and ERG, is definitely NOT the best way forward for our country, and neither is No Deal. So it is possible to be fairly well off and NOT be a Conservative.

I think it is because the Tory politicians are very definitely "the haves." That does not mean to say that they do not receive support from "have nots" or indeed from "haves" who have because they have worked hard. The likes of BJ and J R-M - and indeed my local sitting (or currently hovering!) Tory MP - are cases in point. There is a lot of evidence that Tory MPs are among the privileged few in their background.

I have just read a fascinating book called "Why do we get the wrong politicians?" by Isabel Hardman and she has looked at the backgrounds of many MPs and concludes that some of the bad legislation we get is caused by their ignorance of the lives led by the many.

We are in more or less the same position I imagine- yes, lots of hard work, me too as I went to Uni when youngest started school then taught full time.

Personally, it is not about 'the haves' - but about attitudes towards those who, somehow, didn't manage to do so well, fallen on bad times, been very unlucky, been at the wrong place at the wrong time.

It is perfectly possible to 'have' and to 'care' too ...sadly we know too many who don't- out of sight, out of mind ...

There are often snidey references to 'the haves' here on gn whitewave, you must see them.

The 'middle class' women of my acquaintance are not leaving the Tories.

And, what is 'middle class' now? I thought that was an outdated term now.

kitty I’m not sure they are anymore tbh.

It seems the middle classes particularly women are leaving the Tories.

It seems the typical Tory voter now is the “have nots” the working classes particularly in the north

You are Custer’s last stand?