Should the immigration bill still be going through?

Jennifereccles Why? I am truly curious as to why you consider this to be a good idea?

So when the NHS can't function and no one can get a care package who will you blame JenniferEccles?

Apart from anything else, Patel's inference that anyone being paid less than £25,600 is unskilled is deeply offensive to teachers, police constables, nurses........in fact anyone being paid less than £12 per hour on a 40 hour week. And still, people will be out on Thursday at 8pm, clapping like fools for carers, nurses, dustmen who are all despised described by Patel as unskilled and thus worthless and unwelcome here. Think on before you step on your drive on Thursday.

In answer to the question, yes of course the bill should still go through.

There are MANY millionaires who made their money through hard work.

How strange to suggest otherwise.

Ladygrace, It is not always possible for people to take on jobs bringing in the harvest. For a start those in the cities will not be able to access the farms, often in remote places and will have to live in. What happens if they have a family or are single parents? they can't live in. As for the younger, single people they could probably do it for a few weeks at the most but the farmers want them to sign a 6 month contract. So the young at college, uni and working but on furlough won't be able to work for 6 months.

i don't know one millionaire who has earned his/her wealth through hard graft
I do, and a lot of hard graft and going without.

Firecracker123 if immigrant workers need that amount to support themselves don't UK workers need the same? If the median wage is just over £30k there must be thousands of people earning far less. How do they manage?
This isn't just about fruit pickers it's about the NHS and care which need immigrant workers to maintain the service they offer.

I suppose the threshold of £25,600 is so they can support themselves entirely when they are here, paying rent etc.

Another unseen labour force utilised by UK technology companies are Eastern European and Indian I.T. workers,
who update and maintain many of the IT systems of our biggest named Companies and banks.

They work remotely from their own countries and often are employed through Agencies. They do not receive UK pay rates, they are paid much lower.

One of the big benefits to the procuring company is the time difference between countries. It ensures IT systems are covered 24 hours a day without the need to pay overtime rates or anti-social hours premiums. Another big saving - more fat cat profits.

I remember after Brexit, saying that everyone would have to start picking their own fruit and veg from their local farms----I couldn't have been any nearer the truth but was shot down in flames at the time

Will parliament vote for a pay rise for essential workers now though?
The Tories clapped and cheered last time there was a freeze in public sector pay, will anything have changed or will it be back to business as usual?

As an aside, however many people die after having been found "fit for work" there will always be views such as those of LadyGracie Such people will never be satisfied until we bring back the workhouse.

Oldwoman70 has got it right. Employers have been exploiting foreign workers, because they will work for lower wages than British people.
If all those in the health sector received wages commensurate with the work they do, our own people would be more willing to do the job.
We look down on those who do what we regard as menial work, but this crisis has shown how much they should be valued.
I think all nations are going to seek to be more self-reliant after this.

What I buy is mainly local, though I noticed that my runner beans from Sunday were from Kenya.

In many cases those who live and work abroad in their own areas don't have the extortionate bills etc that we have here anyway, so however much they earn in their own country is usually commensurate with their cost of living. Ours isn't !!

Puzzler61 We use local farm shop they have some imported products which they label as ethical/organic produce I hope they are, if we all
try and do our bit it must help?

GrannyG I try wherever possible to buy fruit and veg from farmers’ markets and meat from local sources. I’m no angel though and buy clementines, blueberries, bananas and aubergines which do come from ‘abroad’ as I enjoy them.

I do hope all against exploitation of the workers do not buy Spanish fruit and veg, the majority of which comes from vast acre after acre of plastic poly tunnels cared for by African migrants on pitiful wages forced to live in slum accommodation and paid a pittance.

This Bill should stop employers advertising abroad for cheap labour and hopefully have a knock on effect of higher wages here.

I agree EllanV .
With global trading the countries already adept at it have shared their knowledge of how to with those who once treated workers with care and respect.

People in this country have made their millions through exploitation off the backs of hard working people, no matter where the workers came from. It's sickening .

I don't know of one millionaire whose earned his/her wealth through hard graft.

I loathe exploitation too and this country is the worst offender for such, it's shameful, cruel and immoral.

MazieD I do have problem with ANYONE being exploited (no matter where they come from). If companies can no longer get away with paying low wages that would benefit those living in UK as well as those travelling to work here.

With NHS nurses starting at £23000 and the average salary in UK being only just over £30000 it isn't just low paid worjkers this will affect. But significan numbers of the people employed in the NHS and care sector are immigrants and this bill will impact on our health and social care system. This happened in the last tightening up of immigration but being in the EU helped mitigate the effect. That door will be closed www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/one-in-four-hospital-staff-born-outside-the-uk-new-nuffield-trust-analysis-reveals
Do people really not realise you can't suddenly pull nurses and carers out of hats?
And you can't force people to pick fruit.

I have no problem with people travelling to work in the UK, what I do object to is their exploitation.

So you've no problem with 'people living in the UK' (by which, I assume you mean, British people) being exploited by being paid low wages?

And you do realise that £25,000 pa is by no means 'low pay'.?

Many of the NHS and other 'key workers' being clapped on a Thursday evening will be earning less than that.

The national 'minimum wage' rate (£8.72 per hr) works out at about £17,000 pa. Employers are legally obliged to not pay any less than that. Is that an exploitative wage rate?

I prefer to look at this as stopping employers exploiting overseas workers by paying low wages. Many employers advertise abroad simply because they know people living in UK will not work for such low pay. I have no problem with people travelling to work in the UK, what I do object to is their exploitation.

Many countries have conditions for foreign nationals living and working there. Australia has had a similar policy for many years, without any outcry from Australians.

The able bodied who seem to think it’s ok to sit on their backsides and do nothing but then hold out their hands for benefits should be made to earn those benefits.