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Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

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vegansrock Fri 18-Jun-21 12:43:38

No it wouldn’t Eazybee, the result was a very close run thing, many remain voters would have accepted a Norway type relationship as promised, but Brextreemists like the ERG were hell bent on hard/ no deal which was unacceptable to anyone with half a brain as they knows it would be an unmitigated disaster as it is turning out to be. so don’t blame remainers for not reaching a compromise- it was the hard right pushing their agenda.

ayse Fri 18-Jun-21 12:41:33

Remainders are not to blame for Brexit!

ayse Fri 18-Jun-21 12:40:16

FannyCornforth

I wonder what would be happening if it wasn't for the virus dominating absolutely everything
It would be a very different situation and climate - politically and societally

Covid and the transition arrangements has taken the scrutiny away from Brexit and its consequences. Pigeons are now coming home to roost and we will be able to see the results of the referendum in the coming months. IMO it won’t be a pretty sight.

eazybee Fri 18-Jun-21 12:38:50

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

FannyCornforth Fri 18-Jun-21 12:34:44

I wonder what would be happening if it wasn't for the virus dominating absolutely everything
It would be a very different situation and climate - politically and societally

vegansrock Fri 18-Jun-21 12:23:49

This is not to mention the reneging on the NI protocol…..

Kali2 Fri 18-Jun-21 10:41:14

FannyCornforth

What is the answer?
I'm not being disingenuous - what exactly can we do?

Very difficult to say. In so many ways it is too late now.

But yes, Rejoin Single Market- but it will take a long time, and this Governement will never be able to do it now. They have burnt their bridges, and shot their reputation and standing into oblivion (and that of the UK with them).

Only a new Party, hopefully a coalition between Labour and others - will be able to say 'sorry, that was not of our making- how can we sort this mess sensibly and in good faith'- Johnson or anyone linked to ERG would never be able to do this now.

There were solutions, many proposed by EU, all turned down by Johnson. And then they signed - despite all the warnings by experts in all the relevant fields to 'get Brexit done' and avoid Tax Directives scrutiny for themselves and mates- knowing full well the price to pay for the people of UK would be massive and would sell down the fishermen, the farmers, the financial sector, our internationally linked industries and more.

So no, there are NO easy solutions in the current situation.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 18-Jun-21 10:22:59

Rejoin the Single Market makes absolute sense.

The ridiculous thing as far as brexiters are concerned is that they cut off their noses….

If they were definitely supporters of the U.K. being a trading nation, then they would make sure that our best customers were not rejected.

What is happening is that this country is being hammered because brexiters are so blinkered and close minded.

FannyCornforth Fri 18-Jun-21 10:15:08

What is the answer?
I'm not being disingenuous - what exactly can we do?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 18-Jun-21 09:03:08

HMRC have published some figures to show that food and drink exports fell by 2bn in the first 3 months since Brexit.

Dairy was down a massive 90%? and there were losses across the board.

The figures show that rather it being a teething issue as the Tories would have us believe it is in fact structural and likely to continue unless there is some sort of move towards say the SM.