Petrol queues reported now on BBC news

PippaZ

With devolution and the transfer of powers and funding from national to local government, I can see why you would feel that about voting for local government. Such devolution is something Johnson approves and has said we should have more of in England.

However, this changes the position of the MP in parliament. So I would ask again. Would you vote for him again if it was clear he constantly voted against his conscience and yours?

I will make up my mind when the election is called.

As I have said previously my decision will be multifaceted, I do look at their voting record, if powers are going to become more devolved that also will be taken into consideration.

One thing I know for definite is that I will not vote for a faceless opposition candidate just because they are the opposition . They will need to have done their local homework and be opposed to the planning proposals. If they are for the proposals I would have to see a guaranteed plan of upgrades to local infrastructure.

(I very nearly voted for Tony Blair, thank goodness I haven’t got that on my conscience, I would never be able to look our AC in the eyes)

My point was about holding the only viable party that could have won the election in 2019 to account why did they fail so badly leaving many of their supporters to vote blue.

This is an excuse, I think. The move from voting labour to voting conservative led to a huge, unassailable majority. I think it was as much to do with "getting Brexit done" and Johnson's personality as it was an anti-Corbyn vote. My personal opinion, could be wrong. It was probably a perfect storm.

However the willingness of people to switch to a right wing, Tory vote when they had never done so before, without really understanding the consequences, is what got us where we are. Labour might not have won, but we could have avoided the huge majority. (Sorry, that might be blaming...)

With devolution and the transfer of powers and funding from national to local government, I can see why you would feel that about voting for local government. Such devolution is something Johnson approves and has said we should have more of in England.

However, this changes the position of the MP in parliament. So I would ask again. Would you vote for him again if it was clear he constantly voted against his conscience and yours?

* U.K. should be up ?

Whitewavemark2

But surely the picture is bigger than what is happening at a local level?

The local issue is massive for all local residents.
As I said above, I will make up my mind nearer the time taking all things into consideration however, the opposition really need to U.K. their game when choosing candidates, a knowledge of local issues and be seen out and about.

GG13 makes a good point; I'm sorry if this seems like backtracking or protecting myself, but I have said before that voting Tory and supporting Tory values is an honourable position.

So what does a person like that do when faced with the prospect of the current government? The current government which is intent of ruining any gains this country has made in the last few decades, just to make themselves look big and clever? If the values shown by the current government must now be considered "Tory values", then who in all conscience can vote for them, except people who think they are doing the right thing?

Actually my point was not about blaming individual citizens for their vote I don’t believe that would achieve anything you might get a few to change their minds but on the whole people don’t like being told what they should think or do
My point was about holding the only viable party that could have won the election in 2019 to account why did they fail so badly leaving many of their supporters to vote blue

PippaZ

Would you vote for him again if it was clear he constantly voted against his conscience and yours?

Good question.

I have in the past put local issues upper and foremost, this MP has fought tooth and nail for our local issues.
I will make up my mind depending on a mixture of the above and their voting record.

But surely the picture is bigger than what is happening at a local level?

Would you vote for him again if it was clear he constantly voted against his conscience and yours?

Alegrias1

I've already got into a discussion about the word "blame" on another thread, so I'm going to avoid that.

Much as the people who voted this Government into power with such a large majority, have avoided taking any responsibility for putting the worst government in my memory into power, by saying "oh the other guys were worse" or " Get Brexit Done" or some other platitude.

We're not allowed to say that the people who voted for Brexit didn't know what they voted for, that's implying that they are politically ignorant, so not allowed. So equally, we can't say that the people who voted Tory didn't know that this government would take us to the brink of disaster, then go our of their way to make it worse.

If by "blaming" those who voted this lot into power, they realise that their actions have consequences and that they are the ones responsible, we'll have achieved something.

I voted Conservative.

Our constituency MP (Conservative) is currently battling the Government on behalf of us constituents regarding an extremely contentious planning issue. If they/we win I will vote for them again. (The opposition candidates were conspicuous by their absence during the pre election campaign)

If blaming me makes anyone feel better about themselves, feel free…

Out of their way

My typing is getting worse.

Lincslass

varian

Why should any of you be rejoicing when you can access petrol - something which was freely available before the brexit nonsense devasted our country?.

Petrol crisis: How an extra five litres of petrol helped cause the country to grind to a halt
'Just-in-time' supply chains can help keep costs down, but a sudden upsurge in demand can leave them unable to cope, leading to shortages.

This is the article Lincslass refered to.

I've already got into a discussion about the word "blame" on another thread, so I'm going to avoid that.

Much as the people who voted this Government into power with such a large majority, have avoided taking any responsibility for putting the worst government in my memory into power, by saying "oh the other guys were worse" or " Get Brexit Done" or some other platitude.

We're not allowed to say that the people who voted for Brexit didn't know what they voted for, that's implying that they are politically ignorant, so not allowed. So equally, we can't say that the people who voted Tory didn't know that this government would take us to the brink of disaster, then go our of their way to make it worse.

If by "blaming" those who voted this lot into power, they realise that their actions have consequences and that they are the ones responsible, we'll have achieved something.

Alegrias1

We 'really not allowed to blame anybody, I've been told. Nobody's to blame. Just one of those things. Could have happened to anybody.

We certainly mustn't blame those people who voted an incompetent PM and a gang of useless ministers into power. No no, nobody's fault.

What would be achieved by blaming them anything?

We 'really not allowed to blame anybody, I've been told. Nobody's to blame. Just one of those things. Could have happened to anybody.

We certainly mustn't blame those people who voted an incompetent PM and a gang of useless ministers into power. No no, nobody's fault.

vegansrock

Maybe all those people just getting on with their lives oblivious to the news manage to avoid huge energy price rises, shortages of petrol or medicines, collapse in the supply chain, difficulties in getting a doctors’ appointment or nhs queues, nowhere to get support for an elderly relative or a family member with a mental health crisis, - no they just “get on with their lives” - do they never wonder or question how such things occur?

We can question how such things occur vegansrock but when it comes down to it we do just have to get on with our lives because at this moment in time there is no choice on that
The country did have a choice back in 2019 and regardless of the rights or wrongs of the fptp system (it’s been there a while) they made that decision.
Should we blame the Conservatives for winning or the opposition for failing miserably

Lincslass

varian

Why should any of you be rejoicing when you can access petrol - something which was freely available before the brexit nonsense devasted our country?.

Petrol crisis: How an extra five litres of petrol helped cause the country to grind to a halt
'Just-in-time' supply chains can help keep costs down, but a sudden upsurge in demand can leave them unable to cope, leading to shortages.

Nice try, Lincslass, but it was a handful of dry petrol stations, caused by a shortage of tanker drivers (partly caused by Brexit), that came before the 'extra 5 litres'.

Maybe all those people just getting on with their lives oblivious to the news manage to avoid huge energy price rises, shortages of petrol or medicines, collapse in the supply chain, difficulties in getting a doctors’ appointment or nhs queues, nowhere to get support for an elderly relative or a family member with a mental health crisis, - no they just “get on with their lives” - do they never wonder or question how such things occur?

Still no petrol where I live.

I just thought I would say I saw ( early this morning) an army tanker ( the little type the army use) heading up the motorway in the direction of the local oil depot. It gives me hope the situation may be about to improve- although of course it could have been going anywhere with anything! ( it did have the flammable liquid sign -so wasn’t water!) ?

varian

Why should any of you be rejoicing when you can access petrol - something which was freely available before the brexit nonsense devasted our country?.

Petrol crisis: How an extra five litres of petrol helped cause the country to grind to a halt
'Just-in-time' supply chains can help keep costs down, but a sudden upsurge in demand can leave them unable to cope, leading to shortages.

I think we’ve been conditioned to rejoice in the simplest of things these days. It’s frighteningly Orwellian….

Why should any of you be rejoicing when you can access petrol - something which was freely available before the brexit nonsense devasted our country?.

I was searching for fuel on my way to Tesco and checking petrol stations to see if they were open. All shut. On the roundabout before entering the Tesco site there is a huge sign saying the Tesco petrol station is shut but the store is open. I turned onto the access road as I had primarily gone out for food only to see the end of a short queue of cars getting petrol! Bit sneaky!