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Brexit all done and dusted?

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Cindersdad Sun 02-Apr-17 16:47:13

As an arch REMOANER I for one (of many) will not simply roll over and say that is that. As things progress at the very least parliament must ensure that the country does not Brexit in a bad way because of "The Will of the People". So many lies were told by both side at the time of referendum that when the full facts come to light a re-think should be considered.

I have yet to hear a sound reason for voting LEAVE. Of course the EU is far from perfect but we are better trying to change it from within than sniping from outside. A general election or second referendum before the point of absolute no return.

I happen to be visiting Brussels on an educational trip after Easter so until then I will put up and shut up unless really provoked.

daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 17:00:12

I don't think turning back now is politically acceptable. As the country is split, half of the population would be in revolt.

I think it's a waiting game. We need to be vigilant about the way the government wants to make a bonfire of EU regulations and challenge them. It would be helpful if we had an effective opposition.

As people see that there are no solutions which will satisfy the majority of them, they might very well be gagging for a second referendum in 18 months.

People need to change their own minds rather than having solutions imposed.

It's a mess, which could have been avoided!

Ana Sun 02-Apr-17 17:04:31

'Gagging' for yet another referendum...? I doubt it.

rosesarered Sun 02-Apr-17 17:06:17

OMG another thread Cindersdad really?! grin leave you to it then.

whitewave Sun 02-Apr-17 17:08:58

Pigs might fly

suzied Sun 02-Apr-17 17:13:16

This one will run and run....unfortunately.

Izabella Sun 02-Apr-17 17:22:47

Yawn ..........

daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 17:54:07

You reckon Ana? We'll see!

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Ana Sun 02-Apr-17 18:07:29

I still won'g be 'gagging' for anything - horrible word!

MawBroon Sun 02-Apr-17 18:21:36

Is there really the need/demand/"stomach" for another Brexit thread?
Until things start happening, we are still not much further than "talks about talks" all of which amounts to little more than conjecture.

daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 18:26:39

Cognitive dissonance rules, eh Ana?

Maybe not, MB, but the other ones will be full up soon and the fallout from Brexit isn't going to go away. It really isn't all done and dusted, whatever Leavers like to think. Negotiations haven't even started, so we haven't even seen the damage yet.

I think it's fascinating to watch the manoeuvring.

paddyann Sun 02-Apr-17 18:27:55

War with Spain,Scotland and NI going their own way ....yes its all going swimmingly well this Brexit lark....lol.

whitewave Sun 02-Apr-17 18:29:42

grin paddy

daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 18:46:51

It certainly is paddyann grin.

I think I'll dig out some of my old books about the origins of WW1.

The trouble is that while these dimwits rattle their sabres in Whitehall or in retirement, it's real soldiers who will be sent out to fight the wars.

daphnedill Sun 02-Apr-17 18:54:00

Just been reading George Orwell's "The Lion and the Unicorn", which was written in 1940.

The first line is "As I write,highly civilized human beings are flying overhead, trying to kill me".

I'm amazed how relevant his writing is today and how little some attitudes have not changed. I feel the current government would feel comfortable amongst Blimps.

Deedaa Sun 02-Apr-17 21:34:40

Don't worry paddyann at least we'll be able to sink beneath the waves clutching our blue passports! Now there's something I've been losing sleep over (Not) !!!

thatbags Sun 02-Apr-17 22:13:23

What's a blimp?

thatbags Sun 02-Apr-17 22:15:55

Never mind. I looked it up.

absent Sun 02-Apr-17 22:20:37

I don't care what colour passports are but I am in an invidious position. My passport has expired. A passport is my only form of photo ID as I don't drive and I am legally supposed to carry a form of photo ID all the time. I don't actually cart my passport around with me but do need it for various official purposes, such as changes to my bank accounts.

I don't know what British passports cost these days but I doubt if the price has been reduced in the last ten years. Presumably, if I order a new one, it will be an EU passport because the UK is still part of the EU until withdrawal negotiations are completed in the next two years. Would an EU passport continue to be valid after that time or would I have to buy yet another new [British] one?

Next year, I can apply for New Zealand citizenship, assuming I can afford to, so that would solve the problem. In the interim…

FarNorth Fri 14-Apr-17 08:07:04

Newsflash! ---- UK government has outbreak of sense!
Brexit is a mistake Shock!
www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/british-government-realises-brexit-is-a-mistake-official-says-1.3048046?mode=amp

whitewave Fri 14-Apr-17 08:23:19

Pity they didn't listen last year isn't it. A lot of egos were at stake, and look at the disastrous result.

Let's hope therefore that they ensure that they can do everything possible to mitigate the potential disaster.

absent Fri 14-Apr-17 08:30:19

Nobody, except the Brits, makes a decision about a constitutional decision that, of course, affects future generations, on the basis of a one-off plebiscite. It's not the same as voting in one party or another for four years; it goes to the heart of the way the country works – now and in the future. That referendum was probably one of the stupidest and most damaging things any Brit politician has ever done. Congratulations Mr Cameron!

FarNorth Fri 14-Apr-17 08:40:40

Btw, roses and others, when you see a new thread title and you think " How boring", the polite thing to do is ignore it.

MaizieD Fri 14-Apr-17 08:51:45

I think that most Civil Servants (i.e givernment officials) and most MPs (as evidenced by the A50 debate) knew it was a mistake. In an odd way I quite admire their determination to do their professional duty to give the public what it appears to want. confused

whitewave Fri 14-Apr-17 08:55:54

What they should be doing is telling the great British public the consequences now that they are coming to understand what will happen.

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