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James2451 Sun 13-Aug-17 11:31:23

I really welcome David Millibands comments in today's Observer. We need his common sense back in Parliament and helping to recover from the Brexit fiasco.

In a scathing article in today’s Observer, Miliband writes: “Delegating to May and Davis, never mind Johnson and Fox, the settlement of a workable alternative to EU membership is a delusion, not just an abdication.”

How right he is,we need him urgently back in Parliament to lead on staying in the eu. The lies of the tabloid & Brexit gang like Farsge, Boris etc, bewitched our nation.The Right wing British tabloids owners hate the eu, mainly because they cannot influence political decisions in the same way as they can at Number 10. Their distorted stories influenced so many voters with fake information. We need to ensure they
no longer have such huge influence on our lives by legal means to regulate any distorting of the truth.

Ana Sun 13-Aug-17 11:35:54

I understood that David Milliband had no interest in returning to UK politics.

Ana Sun 13-Aug-17 11:36:35

Miliband!

Welshwife Sun 13-Aug-17 11:37:22

Anyone is at liberty to change their minds Ana as circumstances alter.

Welshwife Sun 13-Aug-17 11:37:57

I liked the article and posted a link on another link - the UK after Brexit thread.

POGS Sun 13-Aug-17 11:37:58

Is this the same Miliband interview mentioned on the other Brexit thread :?

'Our country post Brexit'.

Welshwife Sun 13-Aug-17 11:39:10

I had not realised it was an interview - I thought just an article.o

Ana Sun 13-Aug-17 11:41:19

Well of course he can change his mind, Welshwife, I wasn't implying otherwise.

Anniebach Sun 13-Aug-17 11:52:07

He has no chance of getting back into parliament , Momentum are already planning - plotting - deselection of centre ground labour MP's , we will have more communists than rats in the house soon. Telling the difference wil be difficult 😀

nigglynellie Sun 13-Aug-17 11:54:28

Another opportunist!!

Welshwife Sun 13-Aug-17 11:55:15

Were he to wish to re-enter UK politics he would not need to join the Labour Party.

Welshwife Sun 13-Aug-17 11:57:26

Most people take opportunities in the life - whether it is marrying, getting promotion or a new job - being a politician is no different - all the Govt have taken the opportunity and some of them using Brexit to restart their own failing careers.

Anniebach Sun 13-Aug-17 11:58:39

He wouldn't need to but he isn't going to join the libs or tories

nigglynellie Sun 13-Aug-17 12:01:31

Maybe he'll help create this new centre party being talked about? Perhaps Tony Blair will join it too?!!

gillybob Sun 13-Aug-17 12:01:32

David Miliband could have saved the Labour Party and he was robbed of the leadership by the looney lefties and the unions who only wanted a puppet that they could control. I like DM and respected him too. He has very little chance of getting back in (whether he wants to or not is another question).

rosesarered Sun 13-Aug-17 12:01:56

We need David Miliband like a hole in the head.

Anniebach Sun 13-Aug-17 12:05:23

I have been against a new centre party but now I think I would be for it.

nigglynellie Sun 13-Aug-17 12:11:16

roses, these 'have been' politicians have such an over inflated good opinion of themselves as the nation's saviours - how can it fail?!! Or, god forbid, is it a nice little job in the EU, post parliamentary life that is the draw? - of course not, perish the thought!!!

gillybob Sun 13-Aug-17 12:42:42

I don't agree roses I think DM could save the Labour Party. He would have made an excellent leader and would not have allowed himself to be dictated to by the unions. I would love to see him make a comeback (although appreciate that he would not be made very welcome by JC and his disciples).

I always hoped DM would bide his time and make a come back.

gillybob Sun 13-Aug-17 12:44:42

Yes a new (Centre) party could be in order Anniebach I am sure it would win back may disillusioned socialists who can not bring themselves to vote for Corbyn and his crazy idea.

James2451 Sun 13-Aug-17 13:02:30

Roesarered, why are you so anti, surely we need politicians like DM rather than the Comedians we have today running the Foriegn Office and negotiations on Brexit

It is sickening to see how this Country is being abused by extreme greedy and powerful Tabloid owners, extreme RW politicians, like Farage and Boris Brexit brigade. Let's get back to a form of decent normality and create a decent Britain at the decision making tables for us all in Europe and beyond.

whitewave Sun 13-Aug-17 13:02:31

OK now that some have made it clear what they think of David Miliband, without addressing what he actually said, let's look at what he argues in his interview.

He argues that the UK and the USA who previously were justly proud of the quality of their governance are suffering from a degree of dysfunction.
Rather than stability and global leadership there is confusion.

Well looking at America there is undoubtedly confusion and crises since the Trump presidency. Instability has been the order of the day and getting worse with the NK problem. Trump is not providing stable or intelligent global leadership. So yes, in America's case I agree that there is dysfunction in its governance.
Turning to Britain.
The Brexit problem, is for sure providing a period of economic and social instability.
Mays government - with a tiny minority had found it impossible to follow any agenda but is subject to the vagaries of the DUP and the threat of easily losing the vote in parliament. We know that the Tories, like Labour are a very broad church and satisfying all her MPs. Is proving impossible.
This government will be characterised by crises after crises as the months go by.
So yes I agree with his analysis over that.

whitewave Sun 13-Aug-17 13:08:48

Miliband then goes onto argue that the reason for this malaise in both countries has common root.
It is politics based on what you are against rather than what you are trying to achieve, or what you are for.
Both the campaigns against Affordable Care and the EU, have a common trope; the politics of grievance.

In Both campaigns there were outright lies, and a complete refusal to describe, never mind debate, what would replace the status quo.

I absolutely agree with this last point as far as the UK and the referendum and since.
No one can describe a post Brexit Britain.
No one knew what they were voting for when they voted to leave.
The majority of voters voted on lies.

whitewave Sun 13-Aug-17 13:12:41

The referendum he argues was/is both rash and chaotic. Both timing and content governerned by factions in the Tory party (I think that is unfortunately absolutely correct. Not what Britain needs, rather what certain parts of the Tory party wanted)

Our negotiating position is a mystery.

Yes, even I would suggest to the Brexiters,

whitewave Sun 13-Aug-17 13:18:54

He then looks at the fight back that has begun.
Names such as Kinnock, Hague and Alexander calling for the UK to embrace the EEA.
He suggest Clegg and Hammond are making eminent sense.

I personally have questions over the EEA as I understand that it is outside of the Customs Union, and am not convinced that it would be a sensible course bearing in mind the level of business carried out by so many companies in the UK that use the facilities afforded by the CU.

I can understand Hammonds assertion however that transition arrangements are vital. But I am still unclear about the final landing after these transition arrangements have ended.

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