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Let's not forget Brexit

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Cindersdad Tue 03-Oct-17 19:16:18

I still feel that Brexit is wrong though have no idea how stop it. We get mixed messages on the negotiations, DD says that are going fine but the EU side says otherwise.

There was a protest in Manchester where Lib. Dems., European Movement. Open Britain and other groups made their feelings clear.

Our democracy and standard of living is under threat from dogmatism on both the left and the right.

lemongrove Tue 03-Oct-17 19:20:13

There is no way to stop it.🙂
I like the pic though, very inventive.

lemongrove Tue 03-Oct-17 19:22:02

There will always be mixed messages because the EU want a great deal given to them and we want a great deal, but it will no doubt come together at some point.Or not.Which isn’t the end of the world.

Tegan2 Tue 03-Oct-17 19:44:34

DD is leaving in a couple of years anyway; Gisela Stuart has already gone. Johnson is only concerned about his own political career (although why anyone would want to be PM at this moment in time is beyond me). His speech today said absolutely nothing other than gung ho rhetoric. They are rats leaving a sinking ship.There were thousands on that demonstration Cindersdad, but it hardly made the news. Priti Patel wants more austerity cuts after brexit, and there will be no EU to watch the backs of the very peoplevwho voted for brexit. We just have to keep chipping away. One day people will see sense.

Azie09 Tue 03-Oct-17 21:42:07

I grow more horrified by the day over the price we are paying and will end up paying for Brexit and I don't mean a negotiated exit price I mean in terms of economics, prices, jobs, employment rights, scientific collaboration, the list is endless. And all so we can take our unlost sovereignty back and stop so-called immigrants.

On that score I often read the Irish Times which offers an interesting slant on Brexit. Not least the recent stories about refugees/illegal immigrants increasingly hiding on French-Irish ferries (with implications for the north//south border) but also this piece which was I think also published in the Financial Times. It offers hope to some.

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/boris-johnson-s-impatience-over-brexit-masks-real-fears-1.3241341

MaizieD Tue 03-Oct-17 22:23:01

Some of haven't forgotten Brexit Cindersdad!

It's like a perfect storm; a divided minority government clinging onto power for the sake of power; Remainer MPs putting party above country; Opposition appearing to be supine; the UK slipping down the tables for growth, rising inflation as a result of the falling value of the pound; businesses holding back from investment because of uncertainty; businesses planning to relocate to EU countries; poor economic forecasts from all except the Leave group; no prospect of relief from austerity, etc. No coherent plan for the future; and making complete fools of ourselves in negotiations.

Added to that we have a deeply divided country which will take years to reunite (if it ever does) whichever way we go, Brexit or Remain.

No, I can't forget Brexit.

(But don't forget, China will take all the pigs' ears we can produce...)

durhamjen Tue 03-Oct-17 22:29:20

Somebody needs to bang Maybot's head against a wall, and get her to see that we are one country against 27.
She cannot have what she wants until she agrees to their three principles in the first place.
To have MEPs saying they have no idea what she wants is stupid.
The government cannot concentrate on the next round of talks as they have ignored the EU up until now.

Cindersdad Wed 11-Oct-17 06:27:28

We have a small ray of hope at last when TM admitted (well more or less) that she did not really believe in Brexit and DG that he would vote REMAIN if the referendum were to be rerun. This should encourage more to stand up to the Bully Boy Brexiteers.

Parliament must surely see that the "Will of the People" in June 2016 was based on lies and misinformation. PH does not think a hard Brexit will happen, if a hard Brexit does not happen then Brexit itself will inevitably collapse.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 06:51:38

Hammond is refusing to budget for a hard Brexit.
Karen Brady refuses to say she would vote Brexit now.
All this is surely making those wanting to leave rethink.

It is going to be the biggest disaster since wwii -why on earth would we prepared to do this to ourselves.

Britain was one of the most successful g7 countries, it is now beginning to drown.

The insanity of it is beyond belief.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 07:15:54

If, after all these months discussing Brexit and our future, the prime minister, chancellor and culture secretary, together with the deputy prime minister (in all but name) amongst other, are still not persuaded that Brexit is good for the U.K. , then I really think it is time to stop take breath and give it some really intelligent thought.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 08:04:00

MPs have requested the details of the report in Davis’s hands outlining the damaging effect of Brexit on our living standards and economy.

My bet that it makes grim reading, otherwise why would he refuse to disclose it. If I was negotiating with the EU and had received a report which showed lalaland and sunny uplands ahead, I would wave it in front of their noses to give me much more leaversge.

durhamjen Wed 11-Oct-17 08:34:22

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/11/i-dont-think-we-are-a-priority-britons-in-belgium-facing-citizenship-hurdles

Yet at the same time, Dutch authorities have said they will allow Dutch citizens living in the UK to have dual nationality.
What about other nationalities?
This was supposed to be one of the first things sorted and the government hasn't done it yet. Still using foreigners as bargaining chips.

Imperfect27 Wed 11-Oct-17 08:36:59

The OP title made me laugh out loud (or was it an hysterical sob?) Sorry, no disrespect intended, but oh for a chance to forget! What a mess it is and what a pity that we are constantly being 'reminded' that we voted for it ... I most definitely did not.

'Negotiations' (failure of) and news of how we will be so much poorer economically after all have reached such a bad pitch, surely the whole idea needs serious review.

Morgana Wed 11-Oct-17 09:03:11

Totally agree. What a nightmare. We are all going to suffer horribly and especially those who misguidedly voted for it. ( the Midlands, the North, the farmers, the Welsh etc. Etc.)

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 09:13:06

Article today saying how those most vociferously arguing for Brexit have a plan to completely break with the past including the NHS and more or less sell us to the highest bidder.

So not only will our beloved NHS go, our farmers will suffer very badly and many will be bankrupted as a reult of the cheap meat flooding our tariff free market as a result of
cruelty and drugs.

The low tax regime will put paid to a decent welfare state, and few regulations will mean our grandchildren will no longer have the sort of working conditions we took for granted.

Those evil Brexiters will argue most forcefully that the pain will be worth it. What they mean is you suffer and will continue to suffer the pain, whilst we gain wealth beyond your dreams.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 13:07:38

So Hammond has admitted that any money put aside for Brexit is money taken away from the NHS, education etc.

But the Brexiters couldn’t care less. Spend the money they all cry, spend what it takes to ensure we get what we want which is Brexit at any price

gillybob Wed 11-Oct-17 13:16:27

I am singing a song from "Oliver" in my head....

"Britain.......Britain for sale..... she's going cheap..... only 7 guineas"

suzied Wed 11-Oct-17 13:29:54

I did hear someone on a radio phone-in say they didn't care if their son lost his job as long as we got Brexit... beggars belief. Brextremism has become a bit of a cult belief, with Nigel Farage / Gove/Boris, whoever is currently in favour, as the Messiah, and it must follow the will of the people at any cost. Forget about the 48% (at least) who didn't want a hard Brexit. Those who voted leave believing the country would save loads of money surely weren't aware of the huge cost of leaving as no-one was told. Still, all those losing their jobs in industry, finance etc can get jobs picking fruit, in care homes and hotels currently staffed by EU workers.

Tegan2 Wed 11-Oct-17 14:32:38

There are several rallies taking place this Saturday throughout the country. I am going to one in Nottingham, and I know there's one in Birmingham, too. I am chipping away in my own, tiny little way [please note, the bollox to brexit stickers are never placed permanently anywhere, but the citizen of Europe ones are]. I'm also a member of blue plaque spotters that try to highlight the many places that have been partly funded by the EU; something that I must admit to never taking any notice of pre brexit.

Deedaa Wed 11-Oct-17 14:35:27

When we first got the result of the referendum and it became clear the Government were actually going to go ahead with Brexit, my first thought was that, even if we somehow got a favourable outcome, it was going to cost an astronomical amount of money to do it. So far nothing is proving me wrong.

durhamjen Wed 11-Oct-17 20:04:06

Britannia Unchained, whitewave, a book written by five 2010 tory MPs.
We need less tax and more entrepreneurship, and to copy other economies that have far reaching free market economies and fewer employment laws. Lots of people can have lots of minijobs where they pay no tax at all.
Jonathan Portes thought it was rubbish and they hadn't done their homework at all, let alone properly.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 20:39:08

Was P. Patel one of them?

I which economies they are talking about?

Deedaa Wed 11-Oct-17 21:07:18

Has anyone tried combining lots of minijobs with a family durhamjen ? It sounds like an idea thought up by men who still think the house is run by fairies.

durhamjen Wed 11-Oct-17 21:10:42

One of the writers was Liz Truss!

durhamjen Wed 11-Oct-17 21:13:55

Yes, whitewave, Priti Patel and Dominic Raab.
They call themselves the Free Enterprise Group.

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