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Where would you rather live? In a high tax or low tax state?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Dec-19 07:44:57

The OECD has reported in an email briefing this morning that:

In 2018, four OECD countries had tax-to-GDP ratios above 43% (France, Denmark, Belgium and Sweden) and four other EU countries also recorded tax-to-GDP ratios above 40% (Finland, Austria, Italy and Luxembourg). Five OECD countries (Mexico, Chile, Ireland, the United States and Turkey) recorded ratios under 25%.
There’s one thing to note first, and that is that Ireland’s GDP is massively overstated by the flow of foreign profits through it: the impact may be overstatement by more than 25%, in which case the noted tax ratio is also wrong and the real like-for-like figure would have Ireland above 30%.

Then I will pose a simple question: which would you rather live in? France, Denmark, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Italy and Luxembourg, or Mexico, Chile, the USA and Turkey?

And where would you feel safer?

And in which country would your human rights be better protected?

And now, why would you want to drive tax yield and the size of government down?

It’s really not rocket science that tax is good fo9r wellbeing, is it?

Richard Murphy

GagaJo Fri 06-Dec-19 07:50:48

If living in a high tax state would mean good public utilities, great funding of education and health care (as Denmark do), then I'd rather live in a high tax state. I wouldn't even mind PAYING a lot of tax to get those things.

Nortsat46 Fri 06-Dec-19 07:59:28

I am with GagaJo - a high tax state with high quality education and health services and robust infrastructure inc environmental management, arts and culture and civic life (museums, parks, libraries, concert halls).

The elements which support a civilised society.

I have paid a lot of tax on my income during my working life and have never resented doing so.

ayse Fri 06-Dec-19 08:02:15

I’d rather live in Denmark 🇩🇰. A more equal and happier society altogether.
Having lived in Turkey in the early 2000’s, I saw the massive gap between rich and poor. All medicine had to be paid for, disregarding income. Homophobia was rife and very few people seemed to trust the Gendarmerie. Women were treated as second class, even though in law they were equal. Services such as electricity and water were intermittent, especially in winter when tourists had gone home. Drinking water via huge, plastic returnable and refillable containers, if you didn’t want an upset stomach.

However, because the vast majority of the population were relatively poor, very little was wasted. Most household goods, cars etc were repairable and cost a relative fortune.

No, it didn’t feel a particularly safe place to live.

dragonfly46 Fri 06-Dec-19 08:06:53

Having lived in the Netherlands for 18 years I would rather live in a high tax state. The quality of life is far superior to here!

jura2 Fri 06-Dec-19 08:14:39

High and fair - with great education and health system and solid nets for those who fall in bat times.

sodapop Fri 06-Dec-19 09:03:03

Yes I agree with jura2

jura2 Fri 06-Dec-19 09:08:57

'bad' times, of course

Missfoodlove Fri 06-Dec-19 09:26:53

Whitewavemark2.

I know we have an election coming up, we are also preparing to celebrate the birth of Christ.
May I politely suggest you lighten up and relax a bit.
“It’s the season to be jolly”.

Hetty58 Fri 06-Dec-19 09:34:39

Quick, WW2, find your rose-tinted specs, plug your ears, put up the decorations, bake mince pies, sing carols, close your mind - and join the deluded happy ones living in la la land. How dare you discuss anything serious at this time of year!

Back to the question - Denmark for me, it's a no-brainer!

DoraMarr Fri 06-Dec-19 09:34:48

Some of us are celebrating the birth of Christ, some of us Hanukkah, some of us a secular holiday.
I thought it was an interesting question, and I would prefer to live in a high tax, good social care, health and education state, even if I had to pay more tax.

Hetty58 Fri 06-Dec-19 09:46:58

Don't forget WW2, whether you are religious or not, (in the interests of fairness and equality) to be lighthearted and joyful on all these days too:

www.interfaith-calendar.org/2020.htm

SirChenjin Fri 06-Dec-19 09:53:50

High and fair, without a doubt. I’d make sure that everyone paid a share of tax, no matter what they were earning, so that everyone was invested in society. I’d completely overhaul the tax systems across the UK.

Missfoodlove - may I politely suggest that if this thread isn’t jolly enough for you the you find one that is, instead of making snide comments about the OP? Ho ho ho smile

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Dec-19 09:59:26

hetty lots of jollification there 😄😄

As long as people follow many of the religions teachings we should all do very well indeed.

Yehbutnobut Fri 06-Dec-19 10:08:38

missfoodlove there, there dearly. Don’t get stressed you don’t have to play with the big boys and girls.

Off you go and get your nails done, bake your cake and watch daytime TV.

Yehbutnobut Fri 06-Dec-19 10:09:14

PS high taxes

patriciageegee Fri 06-Dec-19 10:24:50

WWM2 please carry on with your excellent posts. Having a social conscience and wanting change for the better is a joyful thing in my humble opinion.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Dec-19 10:26:59

🙂thank you.

pinkquartz Fri 06-Dec-19 10:28:40

Higher taxes and higher quality public services.
Of course

janipat Fri 06-Dec-19 10:58:09

missfoodlove there, there dearly. Don’t get stressed you don’t have to play with the big boys and girls.

Off you go and get your nails done, bake your cake and watch daytime TV

What a horrible condescending reply to someone you could have simply ignored.

To answer the OP, higher taxes used for higher quality public services. Not Denmark, still reported to be very racist by my black friends who lived there for a few years, now much happier in UK. Sweden would be good, but I'll stay here in the UK if that's allowed and campaign for a fairer, better society.

Blinko Fri 06-Dec-19 11:22:21

I'd always go for higher taxes and a fairer society. Belgium, here I come....

growstuff Fri 06-Dec-19 11:49:16

High and fair tax with great public services.

Jingle bells jingle bells … tchgrin

Welshwife Fri 06-Dec-19 12:24:47

Higher taxes every time. We used to have much higher taxes in Britain.

NaughtyNanna Fri 06-Dec-19 12:38:52

Higher taxes and better universal, public services / infrastructure.

iluvsylvanianfamilies51 Fri 06-Dec-19 13:13:17

higher taxes - after watching dispatches the other night about the 4.1 million children living in poverty I cant see how anyone could say otherwise