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Leavers. Were you absolutely clear that a no deal Brexit would mean job losses?

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MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 13:10:45

Because Andrea Leadsome says that it was made clear before the referendum.

Now. it might be the forgetfulness of old age but I don't even remember anything about 'no deal' Brexit until T May brought up the subject, post referendum.

So, this is not a 'stirring' question but a plea for information.

a) Did you even contemplate 'no deal'?

and

b), if you did, were you clear that it would mean job losses?

Here she is:

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1281879602995048451

(It's perfectly safe to follow the link, BTW)

biba70 Sat 11-Jul-20 13:35:20

the sound of silence

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 13:37:19

Yes. We were told that.
Hopefully only in the short term, but yes, it was reported on before the referendum.

Please don’t ask me for a link.
😂

MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 13:45:56

Can you recollect who said and when, Ug?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 11-Jul-20 13:46:22

I am under the impression that the negotiations will continue up until 31st October so there is still time for a deal.

25Avalon Sat 11-Jul-20 13:49:22

Wasn’t this dismissed as being part of “project fear” if UK left with no deal which she didn’t want?

Welshwife Sat 11-Jul-20 14:05:02

I only remember a no deal being dismissed as being ridiculous as the EU needed the U.K. so much there would be a ready made deal better than the one we were participating in.

MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 14:36:40

GrannyGravy13

I am under the impression that the negotiations will continue up until 31st October so there is still time for a deal.

I wasn't really asking about that, GG13. I just wanted to know if Leave voters recalled being told ,ideally by the Leave campaigners, that a 'no deal' was a possibility and that it would mean job losses.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 11-Jul-20 14:40:23

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

I am under the impression that the negotiations will continue up until 31st October so there is still time for a deal.

I wasn't really asking about that, GG13. I just wanted to know if Leave voters recalled being told ,ideally by the Leave campaigners, that a 'no deal' was a possibility and that it would mean job losses.

I honestly cannot remember anything about job losses from those campaigning for the leave vote in the event of no deal

I can however recall them saying that a deal would be done

lemongrove Sat 11-Jul-20 14:43:22

biba70

the sound of silence

Since yours was the first post answering the OP.....then hardly!

The answer is yes, it was talked about openly by politicians before the vote.. not that jobs would be lost, but that they could be lost depending on how things were.There would also be some disruption ( maybe quite a bit!) that was also talked of a lot.

TwoWolves Sat 11-Jul-20 14:46:23

I remember being told that leaving could mean job losses. But, in comparison with the job losses that have occurred and will still occur due to the covid pandemic, it will be a mere drop in the ocean (if they happen).

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 14:46:24

I’m wracking my brains. It ought not to take long.
That said, Himself has a better memory than me.
I’ll ask him later and get back to you.

In the meantime - Are you doubting Andrea Leadsome then?

MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 14:46:51

^ it was talked about openly by politicians before the vote.^

By politicians campaigning for Leave, GG13?

You see, I didn't take a huge amount of interest in what was being claimed by either side as I already knew what my vote would be (and would still be). So I'm not recollecting anything much. But it seems so unlikely that Leave campaigners would be mentioning any negative consequences.

Dinahmo Sat 11-Jul-20 14:47:28

Maizie I don't remember Leavers telling us that there woud be job losses. I do remember Remainers saying that there would be and some Brexiters said that they didn't mind because wanted to leave whatever the cost.

MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 14:48:11

Are you doubting Andrea Leadsome then?

What a great sense of humour you have, Ug grin

What do you think?

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 14:56:11

😊

quizqueen Sat 11-Jul-20 15:01:54

Some businesses will go under, others will thrive- the same as it's always been in the corporate world. One thing is for sure, if you don't support British companies and farmers then they certainly will not survive. So it's up to YOU, the consumer, not to buy foreign produced goods.

Look in your cupboards, your garage and on your drive and see what buying habits you can change. It's no good moaning about loss of jobs if you are buying foreign imported goods thus putting our own workers at risk of losing theirs.

I've always wanted no deal because we will be in a stronger negotiating position once free of the EU entirely when they realise that they can't tell us what to do any longer. I think that other member states will follow us soon too. Discontent has been brewing in the air for far too long, the whole thing will implode soon from within.....HOPEFULLY.

Another thing- it's time for Remainers to give up, you lost, we've bloody left!!!

quizqueen Sat 11-Jul-20 15:05:57

Also, I could give you many examples of jobs which have been lost because the UK was a member of the EU but, I'm afraid, I can't be bothered because you wouldn't believe me anyway!!!

lemongrove Sat 11-Jul-20 15:05:58

Both Leavers and Remainer MP’s were saying so MaizieD

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 15:09:14

German business leaders are annoyed.
A deal will be done.

Sorry MaizieD for digressing.

MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 15:33:52

Well, yes. Digressing.

Which German Business leaders would that be, Ug?

The EU has already 'replaced' potential lost income from the UK.

Which Leavers were saying it, lemon? Can you remember?

quizqueen, I think you're on the wrong thread.

varian Sat 11-Jul-20 15:36:45

Although there were warnings about the negative consequenses of any kind of brexit, let alone a no-deal brexit, and these warnings were backed up with expert evidence, they were always dismissed as "project fear".

Heads in the sand, or at least fingers in ears, the true believers in brexit refused to listen, especially after Gove told them "the British people are fed up with experts".

25Avalon Sat 11-Jul-20 15:37:46

The only problem quizqueen is yes whilst I am willing to support British industry and farmers so much is made in China which is not good for air miles. I was knitting the other day with Sirdar (good old English Company) only to discover the yarn was made in China.

MaizieD Sat 11-Jul-20 15:43:05

But varian, those were warnings by Remainers. I'm trying to find out if there were any warnings from the Leave campaigners. Because that is what Leadsome appears to be implying. That Leave voters were warned by the Leave campaign.

MayBee70 Sat 11-Jul-20 16:42:33

I remember being told that Turkey were about to join the EU. And something about a EU army. And that companies such as Nissan had no intention of leaving this country if leave won. And that we held all the cards.