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The Common Good Party - where will I find it?

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PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 10:08:08

I do like reading Richard Murphy's blogs and often find them challenging my views. This one that caught my imagination

Let’s do it instead - turning our work, our communities, our finances, our government, our taxes, to common purpose. To deliver what we all need. Together, that is, because none of us are unaffected by this.

Let’s build the place we have to be.

That is a vision.

You need to read the article to get the details of his thinking but then can anyone tell me - Is there any chance of a Common Good Party and if so where will it come from?

Roses Sat 08-May-21 10:15:46

The Common Sense Party is the one I would like to see and be able to vote for

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 10:23:44

Roses

The Common Sense Party is the one I would like to see and be able to vote for

So are you saying you don't believe in doing things for the common good? Did you read the article?

How would you define Common Sense? How would it affect climate change? How would it affect health, care, education and support services? How would it affect the things people fear - unemployment, low pay, never being able to call a place home, ill health, old age and not being cared for, the fear that no one cares about your community, the fear that comes from isolation.

What would your Common Sense party do about these?

MaizieD Sat 08-May-21 10:32:07

I think it would be difficult to get people to agree on what is 'the common good'.

And, TBH, I always thought the Labour party was the one concerned with many of the 'goods' you list.

Galaxy Sat 08-May-21 10:40:41

And you wouldn't be able to agree on what is commkn sense either.

Anniebach Sat 08-May-21 10:44:12

What is - the common good, we are not cattle

MaizieD Sat 08-May-21 10:44:48

Galaxy

And you wouldn't be able to agree on what is commkn sense either.

Apart from the old goodie; it's neither common nor sensible grin

Peasblossom Sat 08-May-21 10:47:28

I’m all for the common good. Oliver Cromwell is my hero😬

But it didn’t work for him and it won’t wotk now because basically most people are self-focused.

As the past year has shown, even people who advocate things for the common good, then go on to make exceptions for themselves.

Sago Sat 08-May-21 10:50:52

When I see the words”Common Purpose” alarm bells ring.
This organisation is sinister.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiP3OSE57nwAhUvUxUIHbzODp8QFjACegQIAxAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Findependencedaily.co.uk%2Fcommon-purpose-a-political-cult%2F&usg=AOvVaw1C_FcPYhZQ4VJ9l9i2ach0

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 10:51:46

MaizieD

I think it would be difficult to get people to agree on what is 'the common good'.

And, TBH, I always thought the Labour party was the one concerned with many of the 'goods' you list.

There are more in the article Maizie, which might be seen as currently being the realm of the Green Party.

I'm not sure Labour has seen itself as there for the "common" good any more than the Tories have to be honest. I do think they appear to be there for those of a certain culture or in Labours case currently two cultures - as are the Tories. Isn't that why we argue more about cultures than we do about the common good these days? Obviously, the LP could be the party of the common good but I have to say they don't feel it to me at the moment and, just to be clear, the Tories never have but they could be too if they really became a One Nation party but they seem a huge way from that.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 10:53:51

Anniebach

What is - the common good, we are not cattle

Riiight.

In ordinary political discourse, the “common good” refers to those facilities—whether material, cultural or institutional—that the members of a community provide to all members in order to fulfill a relational obligation they all have to care for certain interests that they have in common.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 11:03:21

Fairly obviously, I would have thought Sago, I was not thinking of that.

(I should have put the description in my reply to Annie in quotes.)

MerylStreep Sat 08-May-21 11:19:40

No fair minded person or someone who cares for the environment can disagree with the article.
There’s only one problem: human nature.
I lived in an ex communist state for 5 years and saw clearly how it worked and is still working.
Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce is mine.

Ilovecheese Sat 08-May-21 11:40:50

I think the NHS is an example of the common good. I don't understand the remark about cattle.

Lin52 Sat 08-May-21 11:45:11

Peasblossom

I’m all for the common good. Oliver Cromwell is my hero😬

But it didn’t work for him and it won’t wotk now because basically most people are self-focused.

As the past year has shown, even people who advocate things for the common good, then go on to make exceptions for themselves.

Oliver Cromwell was a military dictator and a religious fanatic, don’t think that’ll go down well today, 😊 as you say too many people are self focused, you only need to drive on our roads to see that.

Lin52 Sat 08-May-21 11:48:57

MerylStreep

No fair minded person or someone who cares for the environment can disagree with the article.
There’s only one problem: human nature.
I lived in an ex communist state for 5 years and saw clearly how it worked and is still working.
Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce is mine.

Aah communism, “ all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. George Orwell.

Jabberwok Sat 08-May-21 11:49:37

The Irish hate Cromwell to this day. Nothing very good about his exploits in that country.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 11:51:24

Ilovecheese

I think the NHS is an example of the common good. I don't understand the remark about cattle.

I agree - with both points.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 11:52:44

Lin52

MerylStreep

No fair minded person or someone who cares for the environment can disagree with the article.
There’s only one problem: human nature.
I lived in an ex communist state for 5 years and saw clearly how it worked and is still working.
Come the revolution brother, the Rolls Royce is mine.

Aah communism, “ all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. George Orwell.

I really wasn't asking about communism. Did you read the article Lin52? What did you think about what he was saying?

Peasblossom Sat 08-May-21 11:54:50

Lin52 But he meant well.

It’s just that people didn’t know what was good for them😬

(Actually it was the warts comment that I admired😀)

M0nica Sat 08-May-21 12:24:31

There will be no agreement on what the common good is or how to attain it.

Our current system is based on different parties having strong beliefs about what is best (common good) for the country and how to implement it.

And before anyone starts going on about sleaze and deceit and pigs in troughs, even if there is agreement on the common good, what is the guarantee that some of those most committed to it will nevertheless favour their friends or make a bit for themselves on the side or do all the things current politicians do.

Dreams of Utopia have always existed and it is worth seeing how varied are the ideas of what Utopia would be to see the problems. Remember Stepford Wives was a dream of Utopia - for men.

Redhead56 Sat 08-May-21 12:29:51

Never heard of The Common Good party it sounds a bit like mindfulness will have to do some research.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 12:34:03

There isn't one Redhead. I wanted to know if there was any party people thing such ideas would apply to.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 12:36:43

M0nica:
Our current system is based on different parties having strong beliefs about what is best (common good) for the country and how to implement it.

I don't think that is true. The two main parties are based on culture, not good for all. They both only represent a part of our country.

PippaZ Sat 08-May-21 12:36:54

parts not part