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Is Israel completely beyond any control?

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trisher Sat 15-May-21 18:38:23

Israel has just destroyed an international media centre in Gaza, home for many different media companies. They have also targetted refugee centres, killing families and destroying homes. There has been no international condemnation. The UK government hasn't said anything. What use is International law?

Barmeyoldbat Sat 15-May-21 18:44:18

It is disgraceful what is happening, Biden has come out on support for Israel but that is what I expect from the US but I just cannot understand the UK Government. Words fail me.

gangy5 Sat 15-May-21 18:49:35

This is a very sad situation. I can't understand why the USA and many other nations side with Israel, who has been encroaching on Palestine's territory for years.
Perhaps somebody can help with the detail but I remember the United Nations in the 70's/80's drawing up an agreement as to what land was to be handed back to the Palestinians and the border between the countries redrawn. Needless to say, this was not implemented.
It is no wonder that the Palestinians are continually up in arms - they want their land returned !!

Riverwalk Sat 15-May-21 18:58:20

they want their land returned

I think they gave up hope a long time ago of having their lost land returned - they're just trying to hang on to what little they have left. This latest flare-up is down to Israeli settlers illegally encroaching on Palestinian land in the West Bank.

As ever, the world will stand by and watch, wring hands, and count the dead.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-May-21 19:14:17

I was heartened to see a group of Orthodox Jewish folk protesting against Zionist Israeli action.

varian Sat 15-May-21 19:16:51

I think the UN needs to call a peace conference before the bloodshed escalates to an even more dangerous level.

Urmstongran Sat 15-May-21 19:21:55

1,000 protesters from Hyde Park are now gathered outside the Israeli Embassy in London. So far it has been a peaceful protest but no there are angry scene, missiles being thrown and the riot police have moved in. A very tense situation.

This war has gone on for years.

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:01:54

The Palestinians have always refused to talk to the Israeli's to negotiate land , which Israel had suggested by having two states, Palestine and Israel, but as things stand Israel are the sovereign rulers.

There'll never be peace until a two-state solution is adopted, though you now have Hamas who are resisting any effort to bring peace and establish two nations living side by side----Palestine and Israel, in harmony.

It's not all Israel's fault if you read up about this complex situation which began hundreds of years ago when the Christian Romans massacred thousands of Jews.

Hamas are the problem. A Palestinian militant organisation who want to create an independent Islamic state in Palestine.

GagaJo Sat 15-May-21 20:06:45

We are watching the extermination of a race of people. And no one is trying to help them.

We should be ashamed.

Urmstongran Sat 15-May-21 20:07:53

Why? This is not our war.

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:08:13

Hamas are killing their own by storing rockets in built-up areas. When there's a strike by Israel, families are blown up because rockets are stored in houses.
Palestinians have been building rockets for years within underground tunnels.

Urmstongran Sat 15-May-21 20:10:14

Where do Hamas get their weapons from? Is it Iran?

Ngaio1 Sat 15-May-21 20:11:44

An utterly appalling situation but when both sides are so determined the outside world can do nothing. It doesn't matter how many World leaders condemn the attacks neither side will take any notice.

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:11:46

Too right it's not our war Urmston.

I didn't hear the same cries when Blair went looking for Saddam !

trisher Sat 15-May-21 20:19:46


Too right it's not our war Urmston.

I didn't hear the same cries when Blair went looking for Saddam !

It's not. a war it is the sustained subjigation and elimination of a race of people. The Isarelis have declared their intention in the past of reducing Gaza to the conditions of the Middle Ages. This latest abuse actually destroying media outlets is so that the news of what they are doing isn't broadcast to the world. Children are dying, families are being destroyed and the world just watches
There were the same cries incidentally when Blair invaded Iran illegally. 2million people marched against it and were ignored.

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:21:42

Urmston it's the material that's shipped and off-loaded under the noses of the Israeli's via Gaza through the Kerem Shalom birder. Material which was disguised / hidden amongst supply deliveries.
Hamas smuggled every device for rocket-making via the tunnels, including batteries, explosives, cable etc. etc.

Recent inspections uncovered enough rocket fuel for nearly 5,000 29 kilometer range rockets.

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:22:25

birder ? Border

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:24:03

I remember all this when Palestine last kicked off. Only they've got worse with no thought whatsoever for their families.

EllanVannin Sat 15-May-21 20:28:57

It's been kicking off since Biblical times if you read about massacres and invasions into these lands---- by the Christian Romans, who practically wiped out the Jews in Palestine.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-May-21 20:29:29

You have got to go back to at least 1917 to find the roots of this conflict in the Balfour declaration. Balfour promised that land which the British had seized from the ottomans would be used to establish a Jewish state.

At the time of this declaration jews composed no more than at the most 10% of the population.

It was a European power acting as a colonial overseer and to establish a Jewish state promised by Balfour to eminent British Jews including Rothschild, who were in contact at the time and supporting Zionism in Russia.

Throughout the following couple of decades Britain worked to establish this state and facilitate immigration of Jews. The population of Jews rose from 10% to approx. 27%.

The majority Arab population did not support either the annex of their territory (why would you?) nor the establishment of a Jewish “homeland” on what was their territory.

Everything flows from this decision by the British to deal with what they saw as the “Jewish problem” I.e. anti-semitism and moving the problem elsewhere.

Aveline Sat 15-May-21 20:30:04

I simply don't understand it. On the most basic terms why do Israel think its OK to encroach on Palestinian land?

Chardy Sat 15-May-21 20:36:15

Urmstongran and EllanVannin we helped start this mess, though I appreciate that historically this goes back centuries.
In 1917, theBritishBalfour Declaration promised the establishment of a Jewish national home in Ottoman-controlledPalestine. This was in order to win Jewish support forBritain'sFirst World War effort.

But actually after the Rwandan genocide happened, we in UK said this must never happen again. Well it is happening again and USA (and to a lesser extent UK and others) are supplying arms to help this genocide happen.

trisher Sat 15-May-21 20:41:56


I remember all this when Palestine last kicked off. Only they've got worse with no thought whatsoever for their families.

There are people on GN who have often berated me for my pacifist beliefs and asked me "Wouldn't you defend your home/family?" But iit seems when people do that they are condemned for 'not thinking of their fmilies'. Talk about blaming the victims!!

Urmstongran Sat 15-May-21 20:48:30

Thank you for the explanations. I am quite ignorant of the Middle East problem. I think it’s because it’s ‘over there’ and I don’t know the historical details.

It’s so upsetting and depressing so I don’t follow it. I switch off or zone out. Nothing I can do about it. It will still be happening long after I’ve gone.

Beckett Sat 15-May-21 21:06:38

No-one seems to acknowledge the fact that Hamas was shelling Israel for 3 days before they fought back. Israeli citizens, including children, have also been killed.

I would love to see a peaceful solution between the two sides, but Hamas is a terrorist organisation with a declared aim of wiping out Israel.