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Tory government wants to make exposure of their corruption illegal

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GagaJo Thu 22-Jul-21 21:30:43

This government is becoming more like a dictatorship everyday. Truth is not allowed now, if it exposes the government's corruption.

So journalists can be imprisoned for writing the truth about a corrupt government.

MPs are thrown out of Parliament for speaking the truth (Dawn Butler thrown out for pointing out Boris has lied repeatedly).

Lincslass Thu 22-Jul-21 21:33:35

Dawn Butler was breaking Parliamentary rules, she knew this and still carried on.

Lincslass Thu 22-Jul-21 21:40:13

Journalists can already be jailed for up to2 years for leaking sensitive information. Depends who they leak it to I suppose. 14years will not be passed through Parliament I would hope.

GagaJo Thu 22-Jul-21 21:41:35

Ah, I also forgot. They don't want the population to be allowed to peacefully protest, even when they have just cause.

Kali2 Thu 22-Jul-21 21:56:28

Lincslass

Dawn Butler was breaking Parliamentary rules, she knew this and still carried on.

And thank goodness she did. I for one is very grateful- respect.

PippaZ Thu 22-Jul-21 22:38:31

At last a courageous MP

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXhk7tR2rg

But just look at our democracy that punishes the person calling out the lies but never hold the person lying to Parliament to account.

Dinahmo Thu 22-Jul-21 22:44:30

Apparently most of the correspondence between ministers concerning covid was on whatsapp and the govt is trying to get rid of it so that it won't be available for any future enquiry.

Eloethan Thu 22-Jul-21 23:12:03

It is a very worrying turn of events and reminiscent of the sorts of policies that are followed in dictatorships.

Lincslass Fri 23-Jul-21 08:07:34

No respect for a liar calling out a liar.

Kali2 Fri 23-Jul-21 08:15:58

Lincslass

No respect for a liar calling out a liar.

Could you please clarify here- are you saying that Dawn Butler was lying when she called Johnson a liar?

Because a vast majority know that she was 100% correct- and are very grateful that she was brave enough to say so, using the correct word, and refused to retract. I hope many others will follow from the opposite bench. Ian Blackford has done it several times recently.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 23-Jul-21 09:15:37

Truth are lies
Lies are truth

foxie48 Fri 23-Jul-21 09:18:54

I don't normally join in with these posts but was utterly appalled hearing Lady Heywood on the radio today. Sounds like the Greensill enquiry led by Boardman was a complete stitch up job of her husband who died in 2018 and was unable to defend himself. Just sickening. Also listened to the first two podcasts of the DC/LK interview and totally disgusted that this vile man was at the heart of government. His only redeeming feature is that he thinks BJ is a rubbish PM and not up to the job. Welcome to the club DC but many of us knew that before he got the job!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 23-Jul-21 09:59:25

Lincslass

Dawn Butler was breaking Parliamentary rules, she knew this and still carried on.

Johnson breaks the rules every time he appears before parliament.

The speaker is not in top of his brief. He isn’t up to the job.

Truly

Lies are truth
Truth is lies.

westendgirl Fri 23-Jul-21 10:31:42

Today's Peter Brookes' cartoon in the Times is spot on , a brilliant commentary on the lack of " trust, truth, reliability,leadership,competence,honesty,integrity,probity,rectitude" of Johnson , under the heading "Short supply".

Dinahmo Fri 23-Jul-21 10:42:43

foxie48

This interview with Lady Heywood might interest you.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/01/jeremy-heywoods-widow-questions-greensill-inquiry-chiefs-independence

Whitewavemark2 Fri 23-Jul-21 10:59:53

So if the bill is passed and a journalist exposes a act of corruption, or fraud or breaking the ministerial code or the law or lies, or just incompetence - all reported since this government took office what will happen?

Imprisonment? Fines?

This government has more in common with China that western democracy.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 23-Jul-21 11:14:13

The opposition needs to follow up Butler’s speech of truth with each and every one of them speaking truth to power.

Butler made history yesterday, the opposition needs to show some spine and do the same.

foxie48 Fri 23-Jul-21 11:52:25

Thanks Dinahmo I do subscribe to the Guardian but had missed this report.

Dinahmo Fri 23-Jul-21 12:08:02

Kali2 I think that Dawn Butler is the first to actually use the word liar. I've heard Ian Blackford a few times but he uses other words. It would be a good idea if one MP from the other parties referred to Johnson as a liar each day and gets thrown out.

No doubt they would be attacked by some people. It's funny how the messenger is attacked, rather than the message.

GillT57 Fri 23-Jul-21 13:33:34

Most of us know that it is not permitted within Parliamentary rules to call another member a liar, but Dawn Butler did so deliberately and I admire her for it. For one, it may make a few people wake up to what is going on, and it will of course, go into Hansard. Johnson is a liar, there is absolutely no doubt, and he needs to be called out on it, and I hope more will follow Ms Butler's lead. He has been sacked twice for lying, regularily misleads the house ( or 'misspeaks' as his supporters call it), and his personal life is a disaster zone of lies and cheating. The proposal to silence investigative journalism is chilling, why aren't people bothered? Are we back to confirming what Campbell called the two class UK; Those who give a toss and those who don't? I suspect we may be.

PippaZ Fri 23-Jul-21 13:45:01

Lincslass

No respect for a liar calling out a liar.

I think you need to clarify that.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 23-Jul-21 16:07:50

Hancock, who used his private email and phone to set up deals with his crony’s does not have to reveal then for scrutiny says the government.

Well they would wouldn’t they?

Dinahmo Fri 23-Jul-21 16:22:16

Not just Hancock, Bethell, Hands and Deighton too.

Luckygirl Fri 23-Jul-21 16:41:50

'misspeaks' - Trump lives on.

Lovetopaint037 Fri 23-Jul-21 19:31:06

Kali2

Lincslass

Dawn Butler was breaking Parliamentary rules, she knew this and still carried on.

And thank goodness she did. I for one is very grateful- respect.

Exactly this. It actually gave her accusations more publicity. I am sure her constituents had more respect for her.
Of course to call our PM a liar is beyond belief - never heard that before 😂!!!