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Politically homeless? Is there hope?

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kittylester Sat 28-May-22 13:39:52

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/64080ea8-dda2-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=7fa1ffc602897b59b61e03f9c08fbf68

This is from the Times but was in lots of papers.

FannyCornforth Sat 28-May-22 13:47:49

Hallelujah
In the past I had no time at all for Mr Blair; but I’m glad to see him back.
Whether he is the right person is debatable; but I’d vote for very meaty anyone to get rid of this lot.

FannyCornforth Sat 28-May-22 13:48:29

Nearly, not meaty 🤦‍♀️

MaizieD Sat 28-May-22 13:49:26

The involvement of Blair is the kiss of death for many voters.

Rather than trying to set up new centrist parties we'd be much better going for proper PR and government by consensus rather than the adversarial setup we have now.

FannyCornforth Sat 28-May-22 14:11:26

Agreed Maizie

I don’t know why we aren’t marching on the streets at this point

OakDryad Sat 28-May-22 14:21:43

Hmm. I'm reading on Politico that they discussed approaching Elon Musk for funding. That cannot be good.

www.politico.eu/article/tony-blairs-new-centrist-program-just-dont-call-it-a-party/

Whitewavemark2 Sat 28-May-22 14:26:49

It is a centrist CONFERENCE - not a party.

That would be fine as the more ideas floated that show there is an alternative to this disaster we have for a government at the moment the better in my book.

Not sure about Musk though, now that is a weird idea!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 28-May-22 14:29:10

If Tony Blair is the answer we really are up the creek without a paddle, or even a boat.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 28-May-22 14:34:28

I do think that you shouldn’t let prejudice dismiss Blair without giving those attending the conference a listen.

I will if it is published as everyone contributing to the national debate - unless they are very, very extreme are worth listening to and then I can add their ideas to my library 😄 or dismiss them as not for me.

kittylester Sat 28-May-22 14:36:38

I've thought Tony Blair has been less messianic lately.

There are some good people involved though. Rory Stewart, Ruth Davies for starters.

Realise it's only a conference WW but it gives me a bit of hope.

Kathy72 Sat 28-May-22 14:48:17

GrannyGravy13

If Tony Blair is the answer we really are up the creek without a paddle, or even a boat.

Hear, hear

Anniebach Sat 28-May-22 14:56:58

Tony Blair, the only Labour leader to win three consecutive general elections

TerriBull Sat 28-May-22 15:17:25

Interesting! I also think TB has become less messianic of late, of course it's easier to give an honest opinion and not prevaricate as an individual not constrained by any particular party ethos.

MayBee70 Sat 28-May-22 15:21:59

I wonder if any of the people critical of him have actually listened to the things he has said recently?

icanhandthemback Sat 28-May-22 15:25:18

I dislike Tony Blair intensely and any party he is part of would make me avoid it like the plague. However, he did have some good ideas and for that reason alone, I would put my feeling aside to listen to any centrist ideas. I don't think we need radicalism, I think we need a blend of ideas which take the poor and business growth into account.

Chestnut Sat 28-May-22 15:26:27

It doesn't matter what Blair says, I DON'T TRUST HIM! He is in it for himself.

Baggs Sat 28-May-22 15:37:53

Chestnut

It doesn't matter what Blair says, I DON'T TRUST HIM! He is in it for himself.

Yep. Always was, always will be. I did trust him once. It's his own fault people no longer do.

Doodledog Sat 28-May-22 15:40:19

I feel homeless just now because of the gender woo, so yes, I’ll listen to Blair and his team. I can’t face the thought of more Tory lies and incompetence, and am disillusioned with Labour. I would rather have a left of centre government, but I’ll take what we can get to get rid of this lot, as they are creeping ever closer to fascism.

paddyann54 Sat 28-May-22 15:52:51

Labour is dead ,well inScotland at least .Before the council elections Sarwar was shouting there'll be no coalitons after the elections Labour have joined WITH the Tories to oust the SNP ...Who WON the votes in their constituencies .So vote Labour GET Tory .
Why would any self respecting person accept that?
Surely we mark our x in the knowledge that the biggest number WINS ,not no 2 and 3 ..and 4 .

Anniebach Sat 28-May-22 16:02:55

We need a centre left Labour Party, the days of pigeon lofts, whippets and Dai caps have gone,

LizzieDrip Sat 28-May-22 16:20:00

Please, please, please tell me why you don’t like / trust the current Labour Party? I really don’t understand it. The comments people make about needing a party for the people etc fit completely with Labour as it is. TB, or anyone for that matter, diluting the Labour vote is exactly what the Conservatives want. I am so confused - please tell me WHY you can’t support the current Labour party? confusedconfusedconfused

LizzieDrip Sat 28-May-22 16:22:58

I think we need a blend of ideas which take the poor and business growth into account

Isn’t this what we currently have in Labour???

Anniebach Sat 28-May-22 16:28:03

I fully support the .Labour Party, been a member for over 50 years with the exception of the .Corbyn period

Rameses Sat 28-May-22 16:28:47

As an atheist, *I am probably about to upset people of faith by saying that I don't trust any fanatically religious politician and believe firmly in secular politics.

Blair was an evangelist for a considerable time and then converted to Catholicism in the mid 2000s. He claimed he was converted by Cherie.

In 2009 he told an Italian audience, "In seeking this path of truth, lit by God's love and paved by God's grace, the church can be the insistent spiritual voice that makes globalisation our servant, not our master." Hmmm.....

*I have no axe to grind over people of faith. It's just not for me and, as I have written, I believe politics should be secular.

Doodledog Sat 28-May-22 16:30:11

LizzieDrip

Please, please, please tell me why you don’t like / trust the current Labour Party? I really don’t understand it. The comments people make about needing a party for the people etc fit completely with Labour as it is. TB, or anyone for that matter, diluting the Labour vote is exactly what the Conservatives want. I am so confused - please tell me WHY you can’t support the current Labour party? confusedconfusedconfused

For me it’s because they are in thrall to Stonewall, would put women’s rights behind those of transwomen, and are being massively disingenuous when they say that women can have penises and men cervixes. I wouldn’t vote Green, Lib Dem or SNP (if in Scotland) either, for the same reasons, and don’t know a single feminist who is not struggling with the dilemma.