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Annobel Sat 16-Jul-11 06:48:29

As a Scot exiled for 46 years, I know my accent has been modified though still recognisable as Scottish. My DSs think I don't have an accent but they have been brought up listening to me. When I cross the Border (as I will do next Friday - Hooray!) I believe my accent becomes more broadly Scottish. What is your experience?

Baggy Sat 16-Jul-11 07:06:12

I think DH1 is like you with regard to accent as well, annobel. (Yes, he is still D without irony, but not to live with wink). His parents' accents are much broader and his sister broadest of all.
Nobody can tell from my accent where I'm from except that it is "the north" as I've never suppressed my short 'a' in words like grass and bath. When I first moved to Oxford I had been living in Edinburgh for seven years and even an old Edinburghian (!) thought I was Scottish! That did surprise me. In Edinburgh (we lived in Sighthill) some people thought I was posh until, on a club picnic one time I told my two kids (politely of course wink) to 'shove up' on the picnic mat.

Annobel Sat 16-Jul-11 07:33:14

Come to think of it, my English granny lived in Scotland for over 50 years and never lost, or even modified, her Leicester accent.

susiecb Sat 16-Jul-11 09:14:24

I was brought up in the East End of London to cockney parents. My mother tried to speak 'nicely' and encouraged us to do the same. We moved to Essex and I went to an good Grammar school where accents were not tolerated so we had to speak ' properly'. So I thought I didnt have an accent - that is until I moved to North Yorkshire where I was not only rumbled but slightly ostracised (small village). Here in South Leicestershire all accents are heard and no-one seems to mind how you speak as long as you are friendly - much more comfy here. What does come out of me at random times are saying and phrases and certainly humour that is definitely East End. I am married to a middle class boy from North London who speak beautifully and doesnt swear so my more colourful expressions are editedsmile

greenmossgiel Sat 16-Jul-11 09:48:50

My accent is Anglified or perhaps 'Englified!'/Scots. I really don't like to hear my voice (eg on a recording), but having lived half of my life in Nottingham and the other half in Fife, there's nothing I can do about it. I do love to hear the Nottingham accent though - it takes me right back there!

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 09:53:25

Do you know, I was thinking about accents a night or two back after being in the quiet corner. I think Baggy and Elegran started talking Scotch to each other (sounded like it anyway!confused) wink. I think we should have an emoticon type of thing to put after our names to show what accent our posts should be read in! Good eh? smile

greenmossgiel Sat 16-Jul-11 09:59:42

They did, jangly! I recognised 'bauchle' at least! Just for information's sake, a 'bauchle' is a broken-down, comfortable old shoe (or person!!) Well, that's what it is here in Fife, anyway! Think it would be a great idea to have regional emoticon, by the way! grin

Annobel Sat 16-Jul-11 10:07:53

I'm so proud of my DS who has just used the word 'dreich' in a text message. Something Scottish must have rubbed off on him. Mind you, what better word to describe the weather today?

Elegran Sat 16-Jul-11 10:12:01

An accent emoticon would be misleading in my case Jangly - I have only been in Scotland since 1957, so all my Scots friends think I speak southern English. I have learnt quite a lot of the lingo though, and understand Fifers better than my DH whose parents were from there (well, he went to Watson's, what do you expect?).

Annobel Sat 16-Jul-11 10:22:48

Um - Jangly, 'Scotch' usually refers to the drink rather than the language or the person nowadays.

Elegran Sat 16-Jul-11 10:36:25

I was about to say that too, Annobel, thought of it while washing dishes after sending my previous post. There are Scotch eggs, Scotch whisky and butterscotch and you can scotch a rumour, but people and language are Scots. so are most other things Scottish.

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 10:39:35

I was winding you up!! grin

Scottish Scottish Scottish

I'm really sorry.

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 10:41:43

I know that is the one thing that really annoys Scotch Scottish people.

I'll go now...

Annobel Sat 16-Jul-11 10:50:42

Serves me right for rising to that bait! blush. I think there are probably lots more things that really annoy us Scots, but I will deal with those on a case to case basis...

Elegran Sat 16-Jul-11 10:52:08

The mean Scot jibe? Ive not found that true.

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 11:44:28

Didn't mean to offend Elegran. Or start a cross border war. smile

Annobel Sat 16-Jul-11 12:10:13

I have spent far more of my life in England than in Scotland, had an English granny, so am a real hybrid. The accent, however, betrays my birth.

Elegran Sat 16-Jul-11 13:33:17

Jangly - In a cross-border war, I don't know which side I'd be on. When the 6 nations rugby is on the box, I tend to shout for Scotland, so maybe I am now assimilated. Don't like it when rabid Scots blame England for everything, though, and I don't think the fat controller is right in pushing for independence. The whole country needs to stick together, particularly when money is tight, as it is now. You'd think the lessons of Iceland and Iceland would have taught him something useful. But he's a bit obsessed.

I'm not easily offended, and don't actually see anything you wrote that I could have been offended by. You are not trying, go back and do it again.

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 13:45:59

right-o

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 13:46:41

I dunno whether you're cross or not sad

grannyactivist Sat 16-Jul-11 13:47:53

I was born and brought up in Manchester on a large council housing estate and all my family speak with Mancunian accents - including the ones who left years ago, as I did. When I was three I learned to read and often say that Enid Blyton actually socialised me. I learned what was 'proper' through the exploits of the Famous Five and Secret Seven and this included speech. I tried very hard to speak well and, as I think I mentioned elsewhere, really did read a dictionary for fun. (Yes, I do know how weird that makes me.) As I left Manchester in my teens and lived in various parts of this country and abroad I never picked up an obvious accent and still speak in what my (English language) students describe as 'book' English. If I spend time with my family I can imitate a Mancunian accent and I confess I love to hear a northern accent still.

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 13:51:13

Sigh! My husband's off flying model aeroplanes, daughter's pre menstrual and son is still in bed.

I think I'd better phone a friend.

Or get some retail therapy. Yes! that! smile

grannyactivist Sat 16-Jul-11 13:56:44

No, no jangly stay and chat - it'll be much cheaper. grin

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 14:04:27

Grandson wants a shaker Maker. John Lewis online has got a toy story one reduced. I'd better hoof it up the town to see if I can get in instore. Save the postage.

I'll be back. wink

greenmossgiel Sat 16-Jul-11 14:04:54

I'm supposed to be on here checking out gas and electric prices.....but I can't get on to the comparison websites because I keep checking on what else has been posted. Must go - Scottish Gas is going to cost me too much and I'm poor enough. Sorry if I've split the thread! sad

Baggy Sat 16-Jul-11 14:19:38

GA, all my kids read (past tense; don't know if they still do but it wouldn't surprise me) dictionaries for fun. I've got a photo of DD3 when she had fallen asleep with her cheek on her children's dictiionary and her thumb in her mouth, aged about seven. I think kids who really love reading can't get enough words sometimes!

jangly Sat 16-Jul-11 14:25:39

's alright *greenmosgiel', I already split it. (me me me! blush)

Gally Sat 16-Jul-11 17:28:58

Back on track.
I've been in Scotland for more than 30 years and people still say ' you haven't got a scottish accent have you?' - why should I, I spent the first 30 years of my life with a very English accent and no reason to change; however I have picked up a load of colloquialisms in order to get by. My daughter who has a broad Australian accent and was bred but not born north of the border, was told today that she would still pass for a Scot. Mr Gally who has worked in Scotland for 35 years still can't get to grips with any accent other than his own - but he's a man. (no offence Pompa!). I think it's all in the ears of the beholder...

goldengirl Sat 16-Jul-11 21:44:53

Being brought up on the Isle of Wight I began to acquire an Island accent which horrified my mother who promptly packed me off to elocution classes! DH had a Liverpudlian accent when he first came to London, but he's lost that too and apart from 'baath' rather than 'barth' I don't think you would guess his - or my - origins. Is this a good or a bad thing do you think? Would we have been judged by our accents when we were applying for jobs 50 years ago?

Joan Sun 17-Jul-11 07:37:54

Growing up in industrial West Yorkshire I have a broad accent, which Heckmondwike Grammar School tried and failed to eradicate. I've been out of Yorkshire 35 years but being married to a Yorkshireman I still have my accent. Unless you try to lose it, you usually keep your own accent if you move away after puberty. It's the same with acquiring a second language - if you move to a new language area before puberty, you'll pick up the new language naturally - afterwards you have to learn it, and may always have a bit of an accent.

My two sons speak with Australian accents of course, but one, a high school teacher, is really posh, the other is not. Same schools, same everything - one of life's mysteries.

I used to speak German with a very posh accent, because I lived with an academic Viennese family for 18 months and they corrected every mistake or any 'Wienerisch' until I was fluent. I did notice that you often get treated better when you sound posh.

I used to lose my Yorkshire accent for a short time when I came home from Austria. This happened when I met my in-laws to be. I had met my husband in the January, but had already arranged a job in Vienna from Jan-April. We wrote and got together when I got back, decided to get married and meet the families. Well, I was still at that post-German speaking phase, sounded accentless and never quite got forgiven for it!!!

Annobel Sun 17-Jul-11 09:17:36

Good points, Joan. We moved around various areas before we reached the North West and my sons speak with an indefinable accent, uninfluenced, thankfully, by seven years in West Norfolk. Mine is indefinable Scottish because my parents corrected us if we ever sounded broad Ayrshire which is a very 'drawly' accent.

pinkprincess Sun 17-Jul-11 20:49:58

My sister left the North East nearly forty years ago to live in London.She still speaks with a broad Geordie accent.Her two children, who were aged 5 and 2
when they went with her, speak broad cockney of course, but consider themselves Geordie by birth.
My grandmother who like the rest of us was Geordie born and bred, could also speak broad Northumbrian, which is different from a Geordie accent.Both of her parents had come from ''up the country'' as she called it so she had been brought up listening to their accents.She normally spoke Geordie, but when she went to stay with her Northumbrian cousins she would start speaking with their accent and then go back to Geordie as soon as she came home.It used to drive my grandfather mad.

harrigran Sun 17-Jul-11 22:40:07

My sister left the north east 43 years ago, to live in Germany, and people still can't tell us apart on the phone.

janreb Mon 18-Jul-11 11:10:50

My family were born and brought up in Birmingham, my sister has lived in Australia for 48 years, my brother for 28 and they both still have their midland accents. I left Birmingham 20 years ago and still have the accent, if a little softer now (so I am told). However a few weeks ago I was asked by someone who didn't know me how long ago I left Australia!!!