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Mothers on the payroll?

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Anne58 Thu 29-Nov-12 17:07:56

I have just read this letter in todays Telegraph, and must admit to being puzzled by the second sentence:

Mothers on the payroll

SIR – Like the Queen, I agree that motherhood is the only job that matters (Notebook, November 23). Why then are mothers who long to stay at home forced to work in order to pay for nursery fees, which are subsidised by the Government?

Why not pay mothers to stay at home with two children up to when they start school? Any more children they would have to fund themselves. This works very well in other countries, so why not here?

Gill Travers
Wimborne, Dorset

I truly don't understand what she is saying. How are mothers who "long to be at home", being "forced to work in order to pay nursery fees" ? I may well be out of touch with these matters, so if anyone can explain I would appreciate it.

Also, at risk of being shot down in flames, who does this woman think is going to provide the money for mothers to be paid to stay at home? I suppose that it will be the ubiquitous "tax payer" , i.e. us. Surely having children is a choice, and as such those making that choice should not expect to be subsidised by the rest. When I had my children the only government money I received was child allowance. I took an evening job cleaning offices for any extra income.

I hope that this doesn't offend anyone, I really am perplexed by this womans letter.

Anne58 Fri 30-Nov-12 23:16:27

I is a Tellygraff reeder Nellie ! I was looking forward to todays letters, in the hope that there would be a few responses, but no! I will check again tomorrow, perhaps the letter from Ms Travers of Dorset caused many DT readers to have such a major fit that they were all rendered speeechless?

Nelliemoser Fri 30-Nov-12 22:58:03

I am surpised such an incomprehensible letter was featured in The Daily Telegraph. I thought Telegraph readers were well educated.wink
I wonder if the sense of the original letter became messed up by the "letters page" editors.

nightowl Fri 30-Nov-12 22:49:28

I agree about 'socialising' children phoenix but I still think some are quicker than others at getting the hang of it. Knowledge of child development and attachment theory tells us that children need that 'centre of their world' experience before they can progress to other relationships with different adults or children. I don't believe it can be rushed, although it can be encouraged.

Anne58 Fri 30-Nov-12 22:09:27

I think that what is now referred to as "socialising" children is important, it is very easy if it is just you and a small one at home to inadvertantly let them think that they are the centre of their small world. (having nearly 11 years between my 2 meant that in some ways it came close to having 2 "only/singleton" children). Mother& toddler groups, playschool etc are all non compulsory but just a couple of hours a week can help little ones to understand the first concepts of sharing etc.

Anne58 Fri 30-Nov-12 20:12:40

Riverwalk sorry for taking so long to get back you. Yes, I am absolutely sure re the cut and paste!

Not sure if it will still be available on DT's website, Ididn't do alink because that takes you to all the letters of the day.

nightowl Fri 30-Nov-12 20:06:50

I agree Mishap, all children are different and some benefit from being at home with a parent for that bit longer. Some are raring to socialise from an early age. At DGS's 2nd birthday party he was the one clinging to mummy or daddy. His little friend aged just one was all over the place, never even checking where mummy or daddy were. But she was a girl, we are just more advanced than the male of the species! (Sorry grandads)

Mishap Fri 30-Nov-12 19:43:35

The general assumption that nursery educacation is by definition good for small children is not one that I agree with. It is right for some and not for others. Parents should be able to choose without finding themselves unable to pay the mortgage if they feel it is right for their child to be at home with a parent.

Ana Fri 30-Nov-12 19:36:26

They don't seem to have many conversations about things that don't relate to themselves, no! Perhaps you should just have copied the key points of Gillian's letter and presented them as your own - could you then be done for plagiarism? confused

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 19:24:10

It's gone! Gone off the bottom already! It'll never be seen again.

Do they actually have any conversations?! shock

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 19:20:14

My God! They can't half talk over there!

It'll be gone off the bottom before anyone sees it! hmm

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 19:19:30

Well I've posted this

Can't hurt can it? She could well be a Mumsnetter.

Ana Fri 30-Nov-12 18:48:34

How do we know how old she is, though? She might be a concerned grandmother. She might even not have children at all!

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 18:31:47

I might give it a try Ana, after I've eaten this dinner.

Riverwalk Fri 30-Nov-12 18:28:00

jO5 I wonder if she's a daughter of a Gransnetter!

Not guilty, I have sons smile

Ana Fri 30-Nov-12 17:46:45

On yer bike! grin

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 17:39:03

I wonder if she's a Mumsnetter? Perhaps we could contact her.

Ana pop over and try.

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 17:38:04

I think the 'mums being paid' thing is separate. I don't think that what she means.

confused

Gill from Wimborne - Must try harder.

Greatnan Fri 30-Nov-12 17:36:10

The letter is badly written as it is open to different interpretations, but I got the idea that the writer just wanted to be paid to stay at home with her children, not to send them to nursery. I wonder if she thinks a single Dad should have the same privilege? I don't know which countries have this system, other than extended maternity or paternity leave in some Scandinavian countries.

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 17:36:06

Riverwalk grin

Ana I'm off to cook me tea!!!

Ana Fri 30-Nov-12 17:35:33

That was in reply to jingl.

Ana Fri 30-Nov-12 17:35:04

Yeees...I sort of see what you mean..confused

Riverwalk Fri 30-Nov-12 17:33:17

I have read this woman's letter 10 times and still can't make out what she's on about!

*Phoenix, are you sure you cut and pasted properly? grin

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 17:29:39

I mean, perhaps these would-be SAHM's feel their children would benefit from full time nursery education but cannot afford to pay the extra money that would be required.

Ana Fri 30-Nov-12 17:28:41

After school and holiday care still has to be paid for, though.

jO5 Fri 30-Nov-12 17:26:53

No. I'm talking about nursery education. The sort that can be legitimately had now in playgroups, local authority nurseries and private nurseries. They all have the same 'curriculum' they have to adhere to.

Usually from about two and a half until the four year olds go into reception at primary school.