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MarthaBeck Tue 30-Oct-18 12:20:32

Millions of young people around the world are growing up enjoying one of the greatest commercial and retailing growths in decades. That of Halloween, without wishing to be a killjoy we should not forget it is a Pagen tradition that has been encouraged for commercialism over decades in the USA and now in the wider world.

It is also very frightening for millions and has mental issues.
Enjoy it but do not take it too seriously, remember it is also basically anti religious based on pagen teaching and traditions, look after those neighbours especially the very elderly so don’t let your children go over the top with trick or treat.

DoraMarr Tue 30-Oct-18 13:05:11

Pagan. And the religions we call pagan are religions, just, perhaps, not yours. So, the ancient Greeks and Romans were religious people, just as some people are today. Hallowe’en is an important time for some Hispanic people who clean their dead relatives’ graves and have picnics on the gravestones. They are Christians.

lemongrove Tue 30-Oct-18 13:14:07

hmm bit of a lecture there Dora !

Oldwoman70 Tue 30-Oct-18 13:14:45

Yes it is very commercialised but, as long as the children are safe and don't "trick" then I don't have a problem with it. I don't think anyone is concerned about the original meaning just look on it as a bit of fun. Many Christian festivals are based on previously pagan rituals.

M0nica Tue 30-Oct-18 15:17:15

....and most pagan rituals are based on previous pagan rituals until we arrive back at the paleolithic. So what?

If people decide to change their religion and adapt their previous ritual days to fit their new beliefs it invalidates neither their new beliefs nor the transfer. It is what people have always done.

MarthaBeck Wed 31-Oct-18 10:49:53

Dora, seems to simply object to the references to paganism and ignores the concerns about those with mental illness and fear of the tickle treat abuses.

I am no kill joy, my grandchildren love Halloween, but we do warn than about ensuring they behave in a caring sensible way. This weeks stories from the USA about adults dressing up and their antics getting out of hands needs to be a warning for all of us.

oldbatty Wed 31-Oct-18 11:30:20

I have never , ever in my life celebrated it, allowed my children to celebrate it or opened my door to those celebrating it.

Its rubbish and a complete waste of money.

notanan2 Wed 31-Oct-18 12:03:01

Anti religious?
Shakey understanding of theology and history you have there....

notanan2 Wed 31-Oct-18 12:06:40

And plenty of people with mental health issues take part in and enjoy Halloween. I Don't appropriate "mental health" when your objections are puritanical just to give your argument more "meat"

notanan2 Wed 31-Oct-18 12:11:38

Halloween is a very inclusive holiday. Unlike Christmas and Easter which often sees people sticking with just their nearest and dearest, halloween is when neighbours get together to have fun. It has a great sense of community. We need MORE of that not less.

There is far more of a mental health around Christmas for that reason. (The great pagan mid winter festival of light, I take it you object to Christmas on the same basis of your objection to halloween??)

POGS Wed 31-Oct-18 17:41:53

Well I have had 4 sets of lovely happy children call so far and I am cheered up by seeing their smiles.

gillybob Wed 31-Oct-18 17:53:23

Well I’ve got a Frankenstein on my front door and a skeleton bowl that scares the life out of the children when it lights up randomly and says “get your hands off....” in a scary voice. I only got in from work 30 minutes ago and I must’ve had 30 I’d more callers . I’ll stop opening the door when the treats run out which won’t be long at this rate ! grin

GrandmaKT Wed 31-Oct-18 18:08:19

Well we've got an enormous spider in a neon web in the porch and a witch wreath on the front door. A bowlful of treats waiting and not one trick or treater yet!

tidyskatemum Wed 31-Oct-18 18:39:50

And how much have parents had to spend on costumes and that will be worn once then binned, not to mention all the fake spiders, plastic skeletons etc etc? As usual, once the marketing people have taken over it's all about buying more and more stuff.

mcem Wed 31-Oct-18 18:47:06

Have disliked Hallowe'en since I outgrew traditional Scottish guising but I also dislike ill-informed patronising lectures (and I don't mean dora's post!)

annodomini Wed 31-Oct-18 20:16:45

Having enjoyed Halloween as it was in my Scottish childhood, I am saddened by the blatant commercialisation of this occasion. It was fun improvising costumes and making masks out of cardboard, fixed round our heads with knicker elastic. It's still possible to improvise. Only ten years ago, DGD won a prize for best costume in a witch's outfit made from black bin bags, whereas parents now have to be pressured into buying outfits which are worn once and outgrown before the next Halloween.

notanan2 Wed 31-Oct-18 20:21:30

The type of people who dispose of and rebuy new halloween stuff every year are the same people who buy all new "colour themed" christmas stuff every year, and live generally disposable lifestyles all year round - it is not a halloween thing.

Most people store their festive decorations and costumes and enjoy getting them back out each year and adding to them bit by bit.

Deedaa Wed 31-Oct-18 21:09:56

We had two pairs of children round. The younger pair came with a beautifully costumes father. Sweets were handed over and costumes admired. All very civilised

callgirl1 Thu 01-Nov-18 00:14:29

We`ve lived in this house for over 33 years, and have never had any trick or treaters at the door, but I still buy a few goodies just in case. As per usual, no callers tonight either.

M0nica Thu 01-Nov-18 07:30:21

callgirl to get trick or treaters, you need to display a lit pumpkin. It can be a paper lantern pumpkin, not a real one. Do that until all the sweets are taken then take the lantern in.

I have never been involved in Halloween until this year but I have DGC and DDiL staying the week. DGC are mad about Halloween and arrived with a host of decorations for the front of the house and front door (which are being carefully packed away by them for next year).

I had such fun last night. I have discovered that the rules here and 250 miles away where they live, is that they can call at any house displaying a lit pumpkin, but nowhere else. When we went out we extinguished our pumpkins and relit them when we returned.

We had a stream of children to our door and in turn my DGC knocked on about 20 doors, always to be greeted by householders with big baskets of sweets. It was enormous fun and there were lots of little groups of giggling children, always with at least one adult.

I entered into the fun and made a Halloween witches meal of fingers (chipolatas), eyeballs( meatballs),peas, cheese sauce and tomato sauce (I won't turn your stomachs by saying what those were christened) and large glasses of blood( cherryade).

Next year, if they are not staying with me, I will still have a large basket of sweets and a lit pumpkin. I am carefully saving my paper pumpkin from this year.

LullyDully Thu 01-Nov-18 08:04:43

Well done MOnica. It sounds like a lot of harmless fun. Things change and whynot.

KatyK Thu 01-Nov-18 10:19:30

We had a few trick or treaters last night - little ones with their mums watching over. I had a big bowl of chocolate and sweets and some of them treated it with disdain! One child said 'haven't you got any cakes'?. I think children are getting more fussy. Bless em, it made me laugh.

Juggernaut Thu 01-Nov-18 11:32:49

Paganism is a religion, My religion in fact!
I agree that too much money is spent on tat for Hallowe'en and that some decorations are a bit too scary for very young children or those of a sensitive nature.
However, your post is critical, ill-informed, uneducated, insensitive and downright rude!
The words you were looking for are 'Pagan' and 'Hallowe'en'.
It is as offensive to me that you have spelled Pagan incorrectly as it would be to a Catholic or Jew or Muslim if their faith had been spelled wrongly and dismissed as anti-religious. angry
In future maybe you should check your facts before posting nonsense!

loopyloo Thu 01-Nov-18 14:14:15

Great fun last night. I did a pumpkin and lots of children knocked and had a treat! I think it's a good way of learning that it's ok to be frightened and part of being human. Also strengthens a feeling of community.
My own DGC came with their parents and friends and then headed home!

Mabel2 Sat 10-Nov-18 20:15:17

I am a practicing pagan and Samhain, or Halloween as you call it, is an important event to me. It is the start of the year and a time to honour our ancestors. Some of the comments on here and other threads are downright insulting to those of us who follow a pagan belief. At least learn something about it before spouting off. Oh and trick or treat is not American, it originated in Scotland.