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Underwear range for transgirls (young boys)

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FarNorth Tue 13-Aug-19 19:40:46

This has appeared - an underwear range especially for transgirls (young boys).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7348711/amp/Designer-worlds-underwear-transgender-women-expanding-range-CHILDREN.html?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR19VxURDYNHqexT6x_0qep2g6IpQLaZIMdmmtrKpKXAufi-9TDRAaSLTR8

GagaJo Wed 14-Aug-19 21:19:01

In the last 5 years I have had 3 students who either identify as trans or are probably trans. The happiest, best adjusted one, a trans boy, had parents, a school and classmates who all accepted and supported him. He had a girlfriend just like his friends and was visibly glowing from being the 'real' him.

One I had as a tutee 4 years ago was accepted as a boy by his friends and talked to me about his issues. But was too scared to approach his parents. His school work suffered and he was unable to engage in normal teenage courtship rituals.

The student I currently teach, a trans girl, has horrific behaviour problems at school. Bordering on permanent exclusion. I've never discussed it directly with her because she hasn't approached me, BUT I've complimented her on her eyebrows (eyebrows are a HUGE make-up trend ATM) and once on her lip gloss. In my lessons, all of her behaviour issues have disappeared. She and her friends regularly turn up in my classroom at break/lunch for a chat. A little acceptance goes a long way.

Children begin to acquire their gender identity at 13 months. My grandson, who lives with just me and his mum, mimics our actions and consequently has a toy kitchen / pushchair that he loves. But he's 100% boy. He LOVES men and is very boyish in his behaviour.

I have a friend whose child (bio female, trans boy) who decided he was a boy at 2.

We need to allow children to be who and what they want to be. Similarly to sexual identity, normality is the message they get 99.9% of the time. If they choose a different and let's face it, hugely difficult route, it is not a fad. And if they change their minds later, fine! But that rarely happens.

paddyann Wed 14-Aug-19 19:17:00

Bluebelle her parents couldn't have rushed her off to start treatment .Its a long drawn out process of medics and psycologists /psychiatrists.We all know tomboys or boys who aren't "butch" and they dont all go onto transgender or even be gay .A young person with gender issues KNOWS without doubt what they are and the outcome they need .

BlueBelle Wed 14-Aug-19 19:09:15

A boy of 4 or 5 may be girlie or a girl a tomboy but they are not sexual at that age or for a good while after so why can’t they just stay girlie or tomboyish and then start to see which way they want to go after puberty Why is everyone in such a hurry to label
We had a friend at 12 ish wanted to be a boy changed her name cut her hair got a girlfriend it lasted a year now she’s a girl again with makeup and painted nails Thank goodness her parents didn’t rush her off to start treatment

Helennonotion Wed 14-Aug-19 11:24:17

I came across this on a poetry page the other day, written by Alexis Riffe. It made me cry. Anything that will help, be it underwear or acceptance by other people is surely a good thing?

Day after day
Deep inside, my heart is breaking
Day after day, nothing seems to change
A veil of blue, I must wear
I hide the girl inside, with endless despair
With each new day, all I wish
Is that I wasn't forced to hide
The young woman screaming, deep inside
There are days
When light breaks through
The cracks in the wall
I've built to protect her
From the world around
She begs me
Pleads, to be let out
But my worst fear
Is that people will see her light
And snuff it out
Like a tender flame
I've tried so hard to nurture her
But all my efforts feel in vain
Because so many cause her pain
She doesn't exist
You're a boy
You were born that way, and so you will stay
These words cut through my heart
Threatening to tear the little girl apart
She bows her head and goes to hide
Crying, sometimes wishing she could die
To end the pain and suffering
Some days, she can't feel the warmth of the sun
Other days, the sun burns through the veil she wears
And she stands tall, above her fears
Today, she feels crippled
Lost and alone
Wanting to be nestled
In the arms of her adoptive momma
Safe and shielded from harm

Day after day, she wonders
When she will shed the veil
And purge herself of the boy they all see
The day that a girl is all she will be

FarNorth Wed 14-Aug-19 11:23:22

paddyann that sounds nice.
We just have to wait, to see how this experimental medical treatment affects people long term.

RosieLeah Wed 14-Aug-19 11:21:10

paddyann...I object to being labelled 'small-minded'. This is one area where I am actually very broad-minded. I have had friends who were all manner of sexual orientation...and it's surprising just how many variants there are...homosexuals of both genders, bi-sexual, trans-dressers....so I'm not just an armchair critic.

What I object to is children being exposed to all of this en masse. If a child has obvious difficulty relating to the gender it was born with, it should be dealt with on an individual basis.

paddyann Wed 14-Aug-19 11:10:14

sorry Farnorthnew keyboard

paddyann Wed 14-Aug-19 11:09:31

Rarnorth and you know for certain that "normal medical caution" has been abandoned? Not in the two young people I know it hasn't .I know the sheer terror one felt at every appointment in case the decision went against what he wanted.Now he can get on with his life knowing he can do it on the path he wants not pushed down a route that made him unhappy and depressed

paddyann Wed 14-Aug-19 11:06:11

rosieleah no one makes a child question who it is ,it comes from the child .These children have always been there ,now they feel they can have a voice in thier own future.Is that wrong?
A boy who is effiminate or a girl who is a "tomboy" is a very different thing .Do you know any people who have or are transgendering ? Maybe you should go find some to speak to .Though I doubt it would change your mindset .I find it very sad that so many of my generation...not ones I know in real life are so small minded .

FarNorth Wed 14-Aug-19 11:03:19

The book "Trans Britain - Our Journey from the Shadows" is very informative about the campaigning done by adult trans people over many many years.
It doesn't mention children, however.

I'd guess that advances in medical treatment possibilities for adults has led to these treatments being made available to younger and younger people.

Exactly why normal medical caution, and commonsense, seems to have been abandoned, I couldn't say.

RosieLeah Wed 14-Aug-19 10:20:07

What exactly was it that started all this off in the first place. When I was young, some boys were rather effeminate and preferred to spend time with the girls, joining in with their activities. I don't remember us girls objecting to it. These boys may possibly have become homosexuals when they grew to adulthood. There were also girls who were labelled 'tomboys' because they preferred to act in the same way as the boys.

Now, children are being made to question their sexual orientation at far too young an age. It must be extremely confusing for them. Why don't we just let them behave in the way they prefer, and see how things turn out when they reach adolescence.

FarNorth Wed 14-Aug-19 09:47:26

The only NHS gender clinic for children is risking a “live experiment” by sending hundreds for life-changing medical intervention without sufficient evidence of its long-term effects, experts have warned.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children-k792rfj7d

FarNorth Wed 14-Aug-19 09:40:20

It is new to have a range for children.

I started this thread and I am certainly not laughing.

I have no idea if people know they are gay at 4 or 5.
If a child does say that, at that age, there is no need for affirmation or talk of future medical treatment. As they get older, they will develop into a gay teen & adult or they won't. No problems either way.

A child of 4 or 5 saying they are trans may have parents and teachers 'affirming' them with different name, different clothes, different hairstyle, different pronouns - all telling the child that this is a definite fact.
The child may go through the whole of primary school in that way, before they get anywhere near a medical professional.

If it was only a question of different name and appearance then no problem.

A question of not conforming to gender stereotypes for their biological sex - no problem.

A question of lifelong medication with unknown side effects, of surgery to create the illusion of being the opposite sex (in males, genital surgery that needs daily maintenance), of constantly being aware of living an illusion - then there is a problem.

No-one should want to hurry young children onto that path yet it is happening.

Even medical experts, so trusted by PaddyAnn, are afraid to do anything other than affirm children & young people and move them along the system.

RosieLeah Wed 14-Aug-19 08:17:55

It's just someone cashing in on the current trend.

RosieLeah Wed 14-Aug-19 08:15:19

I've just taken a look, and there's nothing new about these designs. There is already a huge range of different styles of undies for men, including silk pouches. They don't all wear y-fronts.

Davidhs Wed 14-Aug-19 08:10:16

I’m wondering at what stage a boy can identify as a girl and insist on using girls facilities. Casting my mind back to my schooldays I can think of a few lads who would have done that if the option was available.

MissAdventure Wed 14-Aug-19 01:02:13

I haven't certainly wouldn't anyone laugh, mock, or walk away from my child, and of course I accept that some people know from young.
Perhaps you could accept that being steered down the wrong path too early is wrong for some children.

I currently know 2 young women who are very troubled (drugs, violence, drink, self harm, sexual abuse) who are very confused.

One was wearing a breast binder last week as the start of a transition towards being male - this week she has left her female partner and gone off with her male cousin, and they want to try for a baby!

GagaJo Wed 14-Aug-19 00:08:13

How can you laugh and mock this? I have had students constantly throughout my teaching career that are trans. It isn't some sort of fashion or fad. It is HARD and many of them are suicidal because of it and because of the treatment they get from others.

These are children remember. And this is a website for grandparents of children.

Urmstongran Wed 14-Aug-19 00:05:23

A pouch for male bits.
Okay.
I suppose they have to keep them somewhere. Even whilst waiting for the next trans step.

Very little is private these days.
I think the horses would be skittish, if not actually frightened.

paddyann Tue 13-Aug-19 23:52:07

do you accept that some people know that they are gay when they are very young..some even 4 or 5 years old? If so then why is it difficult to understand that some know without any doubt they shouldn't be the gender they are and want to be reasigned.? One of my young friends has ONLY had problems from some older members of his family ,they insist on calling him by his female name and keep saying it "just a phase" ..maybe its hard for people who were around when homosexuality was still criminalised to understand that this transgendering is just another thing that they need to accept.I know that sadly he'd rather avoid them than feel judged and unaccepted by people who he believed loved him.
Do you just walk away from a child/young man because they aren't what YOU want them to be? Not in my book .They are still the wonderful. highly intelligent ,hard working ,good natured talented people I've known since they were born.Its not hard to call someone by a different name ,or to respect their decisions .Not YOUR body so quite frankly its not your choice .

MissAdventure Tue 13-Aug-19 23:41:15

There are plenty of (adult) people who are very confused about the whole gender issue though.
Life is so complicated now, and transgender is being pushed into the foreground.
In developing children I think its morally wrong.

paddyann Tue 13-Aug-19 23:34:34

I think ,no I know that some young people know very early in life that they are in the wrong body .They dont transgender on a whim,neither is it as simple as visiting their GP and being prescribed medication /hormones etc.
Its a long process and IF at the end of it they are offered the help to transgender then its because a whole load of medical professionals have talked to them examined them and come to an agreement that the best way forward for them is to take the "blockers" until they are older and make a final decision.
Thankfully the two young people I know who are transgendering are being supported by family, friends ,school and the community .I'd hate for them to come across this sort of misjudged ,uneducated nonsense on here .Anything that makes life more bearable for them is welcome .How many must end their own lives because of suspicion and sniggering and downright small minded nastiness.Surely the way forward is just to ACCEPT that we are all different .

MissAdventure Tue 13-Aug-19 23:09:07

It's horrendous.
Just awful to do this to children.

FarNorth Tue 13-Aug-19 22:55:29

BlueBelle that's all very well for adults, and all the pictures in that article are of an adult.
But the point is that these are to be introduced for young boys - the ones we are told need puberty blockers as a 'breathing space' so they can decide what they want.
But if they are being trained all through childhood that they are not boys but actually girls, it's really unlikely they'll decide to stay as boys, so it's on with the hormone treatment and, maybe, surgery of various kinds.
So getting special underwear will be one more thing to reinforce their belief in being girls.

As for adult transwomen, I'm sure that for some of them, drawing themselves to our attention is all part of the fun.

BlueBelle Tue 13-Aug-19 22:09:53

Oh dear if they want to wear women’s knickers let them but do we really have to know about it and see it
Just cover it up and get on with it