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Is the music industry failing youngsters?

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Chestnut Sat 05-Jun-21 10:30:41

It seems to me the music industry is failing the younger age group 10-14. I watched the Brit Awards, and all I saw were Tramps and Tarts plus lots of swearing.

It's either:
- slow depressing songs of misery and angst
- rapping black boys singing goodness knows what
- girl groups who look like strippers

Where are the Kylies and Jasons, Rick Astleys, Bay City Rollers, Monkees, all the fun groups that used to be around for young teenagers? As far as I can see the music industry is failing to provide happy bubble gum music for the 10-14 age group, thus forcing them to listen to what is adult music.

Correct me if I’m wrong, please do, because I’m feeling so sorry for youngsters of today who seem to be missing out on happy music.

Ellianne Sat 05-Jun-21 10:44:56

Yes, exactly where I was coming from on another thread Chestnut. In my job I have to interview year 6 children for their next schools. When asked what career they wish to follow many will reply "popstar, model, footballer." That is because the celebrities appear to have it all.
The irony is that most of these celebrities then come along and tell us how unhappy they are and how difficult life is for them. I just don't get it.

Chestnut Sat 05-Jun-21 10:57:59

It worries me that youngsters are watching and listening to artists and songs with totally adult content. The Brit Awards (celebrating today's music!) was an adult event, really not suitable for the 10-14 age group. The raunchy dancing, the swearing, it was awful. As I said, many of the men looked like tramps and the girls like tarts! Youngsters need better role models than that.

Ilovecheese Sat 05-Jun-21 11:33:27

Leonard Cohen was pretty depressing to be fair.

Ellianne Sat 05-Jun-21 11:42:08

I don't mind the raunchy dancing and revealing costumes, it is all part of the "show". Just an act. Kylie's shows are actually very very raunchy.
I am more interested in how these celebrities behave off stage and how their lifestyles influence the younger generation's choices.

Peasblossom Sat 05-Jun-21 11:45:17

I distinctly remember Elvis, the Beatles and the Rolling Stones being denounced as immoral and leading us astray😱

Obviously you’re a bit younger than me Chestnut. I was up to my eyes in nappies and school runs when your heroes were around😬

timetogo2016 Sat 05-Jun-21 11:48:42

Totally agree Chestnut,the fun has gone out of music.
All the money some of them make and they dress like tramps/tarts and then they are depressed and have mental health issues.
Get in the real world you overpaid prima donas.
Too much money,too much attention not enough thought for the youngsters who spend their money lining their pockets.
I played Funky Moped and the Laughing Gnome when i had 2 of my gc.and they loved it,i thought about Ding a Ling then thought maybe not and yet...........why not.

Chestnut Sat 05-Jun-21 11:53:40

Peasblossom my groups were the Beatles, the Beach Boys etc. from the 1960s. Of course things changed during the 60s as the music developed. But the early 60s had plenty of stuff for youngsters (the Mersey Sound, the Monkees etc). Then in the 1970s the teenyboppers had the Bay City Rollers to scream at.
There is nothing like that now is there?

Blondiescot Sat 05-Jun-21 11:55:01

Absolute nonsense - as someone else has pointed out, artistes like Elvis, The Beatles and The Rolling Stones were all denounced for allegedly corrupting young people - and I bet a lot of you moaning about today's music loved them! What about punk - that was my music in my early teens, and somehow I survived and became a (relatively) normal adult...
Music has always been about rebellion - and long may that be the case.

Peasblossom Sat 05-Jun-21 11:56:35

To be honest, I don’t know. I’ve totally given up listening and watching most anything to do with music, so I guess I agree🙂

OH just plays stuff from his youth (which is even further back than mine😱)

Namsnanny Sat 05-Jun-21 11:57:25

But he wasnt advocating everyone be like him Ilovecheesegrin

The current crazy of Drill (meaning to knife someone, ostensibly in the back) music is terrifying.
The 'artists' usually have two versions of their songs. One for the radio, who will only play the edited version, and another for the internet which has more violent misogynistic lyrics.
Guess which one most children access?

greenlady102 Sat 05-Jun-21 11:58:02

A bit off topic but Socrates said this
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”

Chestnut Sat 05-Jun-21 12:00:40

Blondiescot I do sometimes wonder how youngsters survived the punk period! At 13-14 years I was listening to 'She Loves You' and 'I want to Hold your Hand'. All very innocent. I can't imagine what it would have been like to be exposed to the Sex Pistols at age 13.

Manhattan Sat 05-Jun-21 12:02:27

This from Nick Hornby's High Fidelity:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSlleE9s9gI

Even the upbeat stuff was often about misery and loss.

JaneJudge Sat 05-Jun-21 12:03:32

The has always been depressing stuff. Radiohead springs to mind

May7 Sat 05-Jun-21 12:05:28

greenlady102 grin

Kate1949 Sat 05-Jun-21 12:06:24

I was just about to add what you put in your last sentence Chestnut. I was a fanatical Beatles fan, queuing for hours for tickets with my friends, buying every magazine with them in it. We joined the fan club, sent them letters, all sorts. We saw many of the bands of the day live - Stones, Kinks all sorts. It was our world.
Our granddaughter is out of her teens now but she used like a different group or singer every few weeks. Still times change.

Chestnut Sat 05-Jun-21 12:08:07

Namsnanny

But he wasnt advocating everyone be like him Ilovecheesegrin

The current crazy of Drill (meaning to knife someone, ostensibly in the back) music is terrifying.
The 'artists' usually have two versions of their songs. One for the radio, who will only play the edited version, and another for the internet which has more violent misogynistic lyrics.
Guess which one most children access?

That's my point really. Music has gone down a very dark tunnel and is taking the children there. They are always going to follow today's music. The music industry decide who will be promoted and who they will listen to, and I don't understand why they promote such stuff.

EllanVannin Sat 05-Jun-21 12:15:09

How many of these top artists have committed suicide ? Says it all really !

Mattsmum2 Sat 05-Jun-21 12:17:41

Think it’s more about how parents teach their children, manners etc and not the music they are exposed to. The spice girls were risky in their time but my daughter loved them and has turned out ok. In fact I remember a fancy dress party for her 13th birthday, the theme was 70’s and she dressed well, but all her friends looked like tarts and she knew it. BTS and K pop seem to be genuinely nice blokes.

Namsnanny Sat 05-Jun-21 12:22:46

All that has been illustrated here is the progression of influence through time.

I dont recall any music being as accessesable to so many advocating such awful behaviour before.

To intimate that today is no different to the past is missing the point.

Music is a gateway industry to the young. Who are a vast demographic worth millions.

As has been mentioned on other threads porn is a huge problem for the young. It isnt old men in raincoats this industry is targeting.

We are now living in a very different landscape, and quoting the Greeks not showing respect for their elders, to show how since time immemorial, everyone has worried about the behaviour of the young isnt appropriate.

This isnt a way for youngsters to kick back at authority.
This is a dedicated global industry led grab for the money and minds of youngsters.
And it looks as if their are winning.

Chestnut Sat 05-Jun-21 12:28:29

Namsnanny 👍👍

SiobhanSharpe Sat 05-Jun-21 12:43:49

Yes indeed --today's music seems to be much, much more about exploitation than rebellion. I am particularly concerned about the impact on young women and girls.
I dread to think what music hopefuls have to go through to get success and recognition in the industry, which is still, as it has always been, dominated by middle-aged men.
Looking at videos liked Miley Cyrus' 'Wrecking Ball' i wonder how long it will be before female artists will -be seen performing entirely naked. (And I'm sure it won't be of their own volition however much they say otherwise. In fact she is totally naked in the video but strategic placing of the props etc covers the essentials. )
But they will do as it as they are told it's the price of fame and if they don't there are hundreds of others who will. No wonder so many have MH issues.

hollysteers Sat 05-Jun-21 12:45:07

A more serious subject is the cut back in music education in schools. I speak as a classical performer and it is so sad that many children have no access to quality music, the whole wonderful world of classical music is and remains a mystery for ever to them.
I love pop music too, but there is more to life that that.

Namsnanny Sat 05-Jun-21 12:46:25

Wish I was wrong Chestnut